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Growing to support my family, got a crop full of this strange deficiency, pic inside
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A transplant?
King lou loves some added epsom salt as most og's do. Try a foliar of it to give a quick green up while you flush.
how does a transplant help an under watered plant? call me dumb but I think simple water could solve this issue. transplanting don't solve everything. the real issues is solving what caused it . don't ya think it other wise would happen again?peace
No. 5.8 is proper for coco. 6.2 is too high. Range can be from 5.5-6.0.
If what you say in this thread is correct, and the highest you've gone with the floranova & calmag combined, is 1.0EC, then the only time you will need to flush your medium will be if you have bought a bad batch. That's the truth of it.
There are so many variables. Something that hasn't been mentioned is heat/light stress. When your plants can't process the light given, they'll exhibit symptoms like this.
Whether that's because they can't uptake nutrients because of ph in the rootzone, pests attacking the plant, incorrect feeding, cold night temps, or simply that the light is too close - and remember you're using a 1000w bulb and unless I've missed it, nobody knows how close you've got it - where you've trained your fans, res temps, .... etc etc etc is near impossible to say. All of these things can give you similar symptoms because they all affect the same thing - your plant's ability to uptake nutrients.
Problems like this are so hard to solve for these reasons. I hope you sort your problem out. I'll stay tuned to see how you get on.
There are so many variables. Something that hasn't been mentioned is heat/light stress. When your plants can't process the light given, they'll exhibit symptoms like this.
Whether that's because they can't uptake nutrients because of ph in the rootzone, pests attacking the plant, incorrect feeding, cold night temps, or simply that the light is too close - and remember you're using a 1000w bulb and unless I've missed it, nobody knows how close you've got it - where you've trained your fans, res temps, .... etc etc etc is near impossible to say. All of these things can give you similar symptoms because they all affect the same thing - your plant's ability to uptake nutrients.
Problems like this are so hard to solve for these reasons. I hope you sort your problem out. I'll stay tuned to see how you get on.
First off ~ They look way overwatered and definetly are locked out.
See the way the leaves look like a mans arms while flexing his chest muscles?
Thats overwatering. Which in turn is hindering your plants ability to uptake nutrients, its killing the roots, and turning the root zone into a bugfest 2013.
Your ph looks fine cuz I dont see any twisting of the leaves.
Some plants look like they got nute burned really bad...or have root aphids.
Just get FFOF soil and water only with ph balanced water and the occasional Cal-Mag+ and everything will be fine. Best way to go for beginners.
See the way the leaves look like a mans arms while flexing his chest muscles?
Thats overwatering. Which in turn is hindering your plants ability to uptake nutrients, its killing the roots, and turning the root zone into a bugfest 2013.
Your ph looks fine cuz I dont see any twisting of the leaves.
Some plants look like they got nute burned really bad...or have root aphids.
Just get FFOF soil and water only with ph balanced water and the occasional Cal-Mag+ and everything will be fine. Best way to go for beginners.
This garden is your healthier one?
Your in big trouble kid. WAY OVERWATERED!
The leaves should be reaching for the sky. You are snuffing out the oxygen they need...ie.... suffocating them.
I would back WAAAAAY off on the watering and let the leaves get the oxygen they need to absorb the nutrients. IN the mean time....back up abit on the nutes as well and let the plants absorb whats already in there that they couldnt get while drowning.
The leaves should look like this....
They are getting everything they need, when they need it, as they need it. No more/No less.
I actually "cycle" my soil by letting the plants use most of the moisture in the bucket before watering them. They start to droop abit and thats them telling me they are thirsty again.
Very little spider mites and no spider mites are like pregnant and only a little pregnant.
they look overwatered
biggest mistake people make, pros and rooks
biggest mistake people make, pros and rooks
He is growing in coco fellas, almost impossible to over water but easy to underwater and not flush out excess nutes causing a lockout. OP did not say drain to waste and has not mentioned run-off so if he is treating coco like soil then it could be simple.
Questions, do you have roots poking out of your smart pots? How many times a day do you water and runoff amount? Lets keep you eating...NS
Questions, do you have roots poking out of your smart pots? How many times a day do you water and runoff amount? Lets keep you eating...NS
That GH Calmag isnt great for coco.
I cant see any purpose for it in a coco grow. No way do you need a 5-1 cal/mag ratio.
Shit you dont need any calcium. I foliar sometimes...
If you need mag use epsom or magpro sparingly sometimes.(avoid during stretch)
Anyway, you probably arent overwatering.
Are you underwatering?
You dont really need much runoff, just make sure you keep the entire pot moist and dont let it dry.
I cant see any purpose for it in a coco grow. No way do you need a 5-1 cal/mag ratio.
Shit you dont need any calcium. I foliar sometimes...
If you need mag use epsom or magpro sparingly sometimes.(avoid during stretch)
Anyway, you probably arent overwatering.
Are you underwatering?
You dont really need much runoff, just make sure you keep the entire pot moist and dont let it dry.
I agree fully with that.
There are so many reason why the whole cal mag, potassium, lockout, run off stuff just doesn't stand up.
I've said this a million times and I'll keep saying it as long as people follow this approach and have problems - If you start with good quality coco and feed a good quality base nutrient at the right levels... and forget about adding your own twist, then any problem you have will only ever be environmental. You've narrowed it right down just by following those simple steps.
If you're growing for family, or medication, you need to make sure you don't risk your crop by experimenting with things which, even when fully understood and incorporated properly, might have no benefit whatsoever.
Replacing a complete feed and essentially creating your own nutrient profile, even though you haven't got down the basics of feeding a plant, is asking for trouble.
Even if your problem is nothing to do with that, you've added in so many variables that by the time you get to the sick plant section, anyone giving advice might as well be rolling a dice.
I don't know why people who have never grown in coco before, or who have never had a trouble free grow in the stuff, would be using a calcium and magnesium supplement.
Would you take headache pills every day in case you get a migraine?
It's a total myth that you should be making up a large chunk of your feed with the calmag and the sooner that message gets through the better for everyone growing in this stuff.
If you use a good coco and a good base nute at the right amount and the right Ph, you have all your environment dialed in, and you still have problems with a genuine magnesium deficiency, then you are one of a select group of people who actually need supplementation. At that point, tackle the problem.
If your base veg feed isn't cutting it. Get a better one.
With regards to flushing mid cycle; again, it's another myth of coco growing that it's a necessity, and anyone who argues otherwise should ask themselves one question: How do hempy buckets, sealed buckets, autopots, raised bed gardens, or pots in saucers, work time after time after time?
It's because the people using them feed the right amount of nutes. Simple as that. If you do that, your plants can go through a whole cycle without ever having to be flushed mid cycle.
When people talk about a build up, what they're really talking about is over feeding. If you feed high numbers like 1.8-2.0, then your plant gets tip burn, that's not build up, that's the point where the plant can't tolerate anymore of what you're feeding it.
If you want to feed high number..flush. Feed high numbers.. flush. That's your prerogative. It defies logic, but it can be done. Cannabis is forgiving in that way.
If you want to feed 1.0 - 1.2 throughout veg, never have to flush, and always have happy plants, do that instead. It's a more logical approach.
I haven't flushed a plant during it's growth cycle in 6 years of growing in coco. I've run so many strains in that time I can't even give a rough figure. None of them are different. Not a single one.
Don't get me wrong, there are strains with different feeding requirements. Some can be picky little fuckers and baulk at the sight of nitrogen, while others in the room are banging knife and fork on the table demanding more.
There is room to mess around a bit, and at a certain point there are things you have to adjust to take your results from a solid 70, to a 90 or above. But some people are messing with the wrong things, and in doing so taking a high risk zero reward gamble.
@surfingrob...the coco itself sometimes comes with lots of potassium...the Ca helps displace some of the potassium in the medium in o4der to eliminate the imbalance
The idea is to fix this before you turn em
I see I got my first neg k in twelve years on these boards with a dozen dif handles
O well
Reg
