What kind of door lock is the most secure against buglery?

[reents0]

My house was looted a while back when I was sleeping soundly. Luckily I had not set up my grow then. Now that I have set it up, I am anxious about buglers picking my door lock. I have window bars and a thick door, so the door lock is the weakest point of my home defense. When I am home, I can always remember to deadbolt the door, and it'd be completely safe. But when I am absent, there is really no guarantee whatsoever.

After a quick search on the Internet, especially youtube, I notice that most mechanical locks can be very easily picked in under a minute. If any lock picking expert can open the door of your house for $50 when you forget to bring your key, how can it defend against a learned bugler?

Most of biometric and digital locks have a bypass mechanism(in case of dead battery, or brain failure), which is a mechanical lock that can be easily picked, rendering the complicated biometric and digital lock entirely useless. Therefore, these locks are only for convenience, not security. Also, these fancy locks have very high profile, with LED keypads, finger print sensors and shiny casing; unless the grower lives in Beverly Hill, these locks attracts unwanted attention.

The most effective home defense for the average family seems to be an alarm system that alerts the police, but this is out of the question for growers.

One safer lock I have read on Wired is a digital mechanical lock. The keys are all the same mechanically, but each holds a digital password. It doesn't have a bypass mechanism, but the assumption is that its users are in the residential industry, such as hotels, apartments. It seems great, but is only offered in Europe, and lacks a retailer that caters to non-corporate clients.

Anyone has better ideas?

 

[wantaknow]

its not the lock but the door frame ,,google door reinforcement

 

[wantaknow]

if worried about it getting picked I would use the old time bar

 

[reents0]

its not the lock but the door frame ,,google door reinforcement

In my case, I already did the reinforcement before the looting. Pretty sure the lock was picked.

 

[Growcephus]

if worried about it getting picked I would use the old time bar

This.

The use of bars to reinforce doors and windows is probably your best option. Folks can still breach them, but they'll more than likely have to break something that will alert anyone inside, or possibly neighbors.

Bottom line when it comes to security features for your home, or ANY hard site, is that you are buying TIME, not security. If somebody wants to get into some place, they will, given enough time. Security features just make it take longer, they don't make it impossible.

 

[rives]

If the door frame is already ready reinforced, check out Medeco dead bolts. Nobody is going to pick one in a reasonable time frame. And get a double-cylinder one if there is a window in reach of the door.

 

[reents0]

This.

The use of bars to reinforce doors and windows is probably your best option. Folks can still breach them, but they'll more than likely have to break something that will alert anyone inside, or possibly neighbors.

Bottom line when it comes to security features for your home, or ANY hard site, is that you are buying TIME, not security. If somebody wants to get into some place, they will, given enough time. Security features just make it take longer, they don't make it impossible.

I already have bars, but bars only deter or delay forced entry. They don't help if the door lock is picked.

 

[nattynattygurrl]

Where I live, people assume if you are a young'ish homeowner, that you grow.
Several years ago, when we were first looking at houses, all of the relators would mention, (completely unprompted), what a great grow house X could be.

We have our basement barricaded like it’s the zombie appocolyse…with 2x4 across the doors. lol.

Stay paranoid, and stay safe!!

 

[FunkJungle]

If the door frame is already ready reinforced, check out Medeco dead bolts. Nobody is going to pick one in a reasonable time frame. And get a double-cylinder one if there is a window in reach of the door.

Medeco locks are great. Unless you really know what you're doing, these are near impossible to pick.

 

[Hydrosun]

Large dog with a loud bark. I'd never dream of entering the home of a Rottweiler, Doberman, or Pit Bull without the owner standing by my side, let alone break and enter with the intent to steal.

 

[supermanlives]

This.

The use of bars to reinforce doors and windows is probably your best option. Folks can still breach them, but they'll more than likely have to break something that will alert anyone inside, or possibly neighbors.

Bottom line when it comes to security features for your home, or ANY hard site, is that you are buying TIME, not security. If somebody wants to get into some place, they will, given enough time. Security features just make it take longer, they don't make it impossible.

i agree.I can get through any lock in very short time. key bumping, picks or dent puller,or drill and I cant tell ya any more. worked with a locksmoth when younger and have full set of picks and knew lots of crooks as a kid. my other friend was an alarm tech lol

 

[Mate Dave]

We use 50mm fire doors, you can't knock one down or get in without the keys if you deadlock.

Alternatively you can lead or better steel and lead line the door back then it can't be shot off or drilled or jacked. Fuck them.

 

[reents0]

Medeco locks are great. Unless you really know what you're doing, these are near impossible to pick.

Someone on youtube picked a Medeco in 1 minute.
It's a video from a hacking convention, defcon, so I think it's legit. According to the speaker, anyone can learn picking the lock from watching a video, with a multi tool.
I think Medeco locks are safe to a point, until someone who knows what he's doing shows up.

 

[reents0]

i agree.I can get through any lock in very short time. key bumping, picks or dent puller,or drill and I cant tell ya any more. worked with a locksmoth when younger and have full set of picks and knew lots of crooks as a kid. my other friend was an alarm tech lol

Yeah, after reading, I realize locks are at most a 30s delay. But, lock is also the only viable defense when I am not home. Latch, steel bar and all that works when I am inside, not when I am outside.

I wonder what those guys who doesn't live on grow sites do. Pray?

 

[username474]

I have been trying to find a roll down security door to go on the interior side. I can't believe no one is making them for residential uses. If you could bolt them into the frame it would make things impenetrable. You open your front door then would have to pull up the second door.

( Yes, I live in a very high crime area)

 

[rives]

I have been trying to find a roll down security door to go on the interior side. I can't believe no one is making them for residential uses. If you could bolt them into the frame it would make things impenetrable. You open your front door then would have to pull up the second door.

( Yes, I live in a very high crime area)

Have you tried looking for hurricane doors/shutters? They normally are mounted on the outside of the house, but it seems like they could be adapted to mount on the interior.

 

[justpassnthru]

Does anyone know anything about the relatively new "smart" locks? You can re-key in 5 seconds? http://www.kwikset.com/SmartSecurity/Re-Key-Technology.aspx How safe are those? They are suppose to have "bump" guard in them. I put those in and so far....O.K.!

I managed to lock myself outside, the locksmith wouldn't even try to 'pick' it, said it was impossible. So, I had him drill it off. A career lock=picker tried to pick one and couldn't.

Does anyone else know anything about these type of locks??? please see the link. I passed on anything electronic, as said..there is an 'over-ride' code.

When it comes to security, I am all ears. jpt

 

[Growcephus]

I already have bars, but bars only deter or delay forced entry. They don't help if the door lock is picked.

I meant the kind of "bar" used on the inside to prevent the door from being swung inward.

Like this:

Granted, that doesn't help you when you're at work and such, but they'll give you more time when you ARE home to grab some tools to "deal" with the situation.

 

[supermanlives]

those locks look nice justpassnthru. but don't fool yourself if its got a key it can be picked. however I bet it would take a while. the rekey deal is nice if you were to loose only one set of keys and thought they might end up in wrong hands.be good for if ya kick out your old lady too.

 

[foomar]

Used to fit doors and security locking systems , liked to show the client just how poor their original doors were by a simulated break in when removeing them.

Nearly all failed with a single well placed kick and little noise.

Often the hinge side was weaker than the lock side , when there were no dogging bolts fitted , easily pushed in and would not set off all door alarm switches.

As a general guide , if you can easily get spare keys cut without paperwork , the lock is going to be less secure.


Did some research on local crime statistics a couple of years back when I upgraded home security in general.

Less than 5% of reported break ins involved lockpicking or any other real skill , vast majority were by kicking in a rear door or smashing windows.

The popular UPVC doors are feeble , no matter how many locking lugs the panel is readily kicked in.


Best bet is to have the doors open outwards , not traditional but makes it easier to move in furniture or if it opens onto a crowded hallway.

Very hard to kick in a door with full frame support all round , even the police battering rams make little impression on a solid wood or composite door mounted this way round.


There have been lots of US made steel frame and steel faced residential door sets for sale in the UK , they are cheap and of good overall quality , but the supplied locks are poor by European standards.


But whatever you do it can be opened in a minute or two with a stihl saw to slice the locking lugs or frame fixings, but a bit too noisy for most.