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~Cannafornia Style~◆Area51~Kiddie Pool PPK◆VERT~Evolution~

DamnUglyDogE

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I was.... Going to place them all in one pool...

But... To much work setting up the feed lines...

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I dig how these Air pots fit together...
Micro climate anyone...lol


I've used these foam walls as a base before.
They do quite well.. No mold or moss..( Well a little moss )
forms but they look ugly as hell by seasons end..

One wall get 3 tops...
Id call that disposable...
Except I don't throw shit away...
Might need it again...



The Neem is looking great as well....

 
wildgrow

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Youre having way too much fun with those pools :D I wanna see like 3-4 stacked - like some sort of champagne fountain - that would be something to behold!

Have you considered lining your reflectors with mylar?
 
high life 45

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Alien Dawg said:
Lets take a closer look at these E~20 overdosed plants,shall we...
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Dearest bredren, I hope you are using this fungicide responsibly and setting a good example, we dont want you cali boys making super PM just like the super mites that were created..:moon:I have seen the mites that laugh at pyrethrins and floramite...they aint no joke.

If you are using e2o on a monthly or even bimonthly basis your doing something wrong and need to get a dehuey for lights off and or increase circulation, or dial your day night temps better. Something aint right..e20

I used eagle 20 last year on my moms for the first time and havent had the need to since, no pm on those strains anymore.

Lets just say I might knows a guy... and In colorado there is a huge boost in big warehouses and novice growers with deep pockets and large grows (100-1000 1k's) these guys are just dousing everything with eagle 20 and creating resistant strains of PM that could really screw things up...for lots of us.

Now im not saying your doing anything wrong, i just want to make sure your setting a good example cuz you got a fan club.
 
DamnUglyDogE

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wildgrow said:
Youre having way too much fun with those pools :D I wanna see like 3-4 stacked - like some sort of champagne fountain - that would be something to behold!

Have you considered lining your reflectors with mylar?
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As a matter of fact I almost did...
But I got stoned and It never happened...:smoker:


I have used mylar on the sides from time to time...
I Love these things...yahooo..

I've also thought about stacked pool...

Bottom (res) pool
Base pool with a ring of plant around the rim.
2nd & 3rd level pools with the middle cut out and plant around
the rim using zip ties to connect the pots to the rim of the pools.

Stacked Vert bulbs....


But....
I got stoned and it never happened.... :biggrin:


:smoke out:


Wake & bake...
 
DamnUglyDogE

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high life 45 said:
Dearest bredren, I hope you are using this fungicide responsibly and setting a good example, we dont want you cali boys making super PM just like the super mites that were created..:moon:I have seen the mites that laugh at pyrethrins and floramite...they aint no joke.

If you are using e2o on a monthly or even bimonthly basis your doing something wrong and need to get a dehuey for lights off and or increase circulation, or dial your day night temps better. Something aint right..e20

I used eagle 20 last year on my moms for the first time and havent had the need to since, no pm on those strains anymore.

Lets just say I might knows a guy... and In colorado there is a huge boost in big warehouses and novice growers with deep pockets and large grows (100-1000 1k's) these guys are just dousing everything with eagle 20 and creating resistant strains of PM that could really screw things up...for lots of us.

Now im not saying your doing anything wrong, i just want to make sure your setting a good example cuz you got a fan club.
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I sure hope im being responsible... Im trying to be...
Im trying to have a preventative program going.

Teens/clones get a sulfur Vap treatment...
A few weeks later a Neem treatment...
A couple weeks before flowering a eagle 20 treatment.

In flowering I plan to treat the with neem
on the lowers and the beds up till week 4-5...
Once when flipped and one more around week 4-5...

Lowers being striped and no spraying on bud sites...

I wont be using E20 in flowering...

That's the plan I've come up with anyway...

I have only had PM once and I know the clone it came on...
Damn dirty clone...Grrr....

My RH stays in the 60-80% range for VEG and this makes
me worry a little but not enough to hit E20 monthly...
That's just silly....

Your good people,high life 45...:thank you:
Im one of your biggest fans BTW...
Solid ethics,solid grow tech/skills and you help when help is needed....:respect:

If Im missing something(Doing Wrong)with my
preventative program please feel free to educate me further...
Always appreciated...


That goes for any in the know...
If you see me on a harmful path or simply missing something.
I am very open to being schooled and I promise not to take it personal... Well.... Not to personal...hahaha..:spank:



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DamnUglyDogE

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I cut f13 #7 down to a stubby little thing as it's clone shows it as a him.


Using these small cubes.
Simply cut and placed.
No rooting powder.



I used the tops of #7 as testers for a couple cloning idea's.

The water level goes just above the cube with the 2 sm ones.



Here I just want to see what happens ...


I also changed my floods in pool #2 to:
3 minutes ever hour x 20 a day as my timer only gives me 20 cycles.
I spread the 4 x 2 hour gaps throught the night time hour's.
 
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farmari

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Alien Dawg said:
I've tried just about every mix ratio of coco/perlite,yet never just straight coco... Wouldn't suggest it..lol
I miss coco/perlite 60/40~70/30 with pulse feeds...
Easy auto pilot mix with few headaches for me.

I've been thinking about the tail piece issue myself...
Having used smart pots and air pots,
I've avoided some issues found with coco in the tail piece.
(clogging)


Having played in CC/Perlite I now understand the futility of the perlite mixed with CC... May as well poor it on top the CC...lol

CC has almost no wicking ability though and I find I need quite a high water table to get any moisture staying in the pools between floods.

Im going to try a CC/coco combo in the next tail
pieces with pool im setting up soon for flowering.
Something like 70/30 CC/coco...
With a straight CC bed on top
I would like to be able to have a lower water table in
the lower pool and thing this will give me that option...
We shall see if the coco floats to the top as the perlite did..lol

I need at least 1 run with straight CC in order to see if it feels right.
Yet.

I liked what I saw with the coco/CC with my BH run and think
I may end up going down that path...
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Thanks for the detailed reply! What is the air gap you're using? I wonder if the huge surface area of the pool for the amount of tailpiece 'area' makes wicking up a bit too slow for the amount of moisture lost from the medium to the plants and evaporation. To me a PPK works best when the passive wick alone can do the job well... when this is the case I can see a constant drip drip drip of water from the float valve entering the control res.

For 3x2ft trays I'm trying to guess the right balance for being able to do a full flood pulse with 8822. If there is too little tailpiece area, then maybe they won't wick up enough. But if there is too much tailpiece area, it will drain so quickly that I'll need to spend $$$$$ in higher GPH pumps and associated plumbing to get it to flood.

Reading what D9 and some others have said, it seems like the alternate tailpiece media is a no go for me. I think it will be either 100% coco or 100% 8822. The differing media apparently don't interact too well together. For example my current run has hydroton wicks with coco buckets (I know the hydroton won't wick up but thought it would at least lower the PWT) but presumably this is useless as the moisture just stays in the coco like a sponge... as the hydroton is too different in consistency to help lower the PWT.

But in your case maybe it would work because the coco in the tailpiece is more dense than the CC on top? Rather than vise versa.
 
DamnUglyDogE

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farmari said:
Thanks for the detailed reply! What is the air gap you're using?
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I find a 3" air gap is working good for me..

I wonder if the huge surface area of the pool for the amount of tailpiece 'area' makes wicking up a bit too slow for the amount of moisture lost from the medium to the plants and evaporation.
To me a PPK works best when the passive wick alone can do the job well... when this is the case I can see a constant drip drip drip of water from the float valve entering the control res.
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When I took the last pool apart (Bh run ruined by BM)
I left the pools with medium in place for a week before I got back to them... With no pulsing going on....

With a 3''-4'' air gap~ the coco/tuface mix was wicking just fine.
I was worried the middle of the pool would be dry as there are no wicks but it was moist and good to go.




For 3x2ft trays I'm trying to guess the right balance for being able to do a full flood pulse with 8822. If there is too little tailpiece area, then maybe they won't wick up enough. But if there is too much tailpiece area, it will drain so quickly that I'll need to spend $$$$$ in higher GPH pumps and associated plumbing to get it to flood.
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I have found the deeper the →media (lol)the slower the draining and faster the flooding...

One of the great things about the PPK is you dont need as much medium as one might think,yet if you have to much it does not seem to harm anything....

I might suggest making sure you have enough drainage and use the mediums depth to fine tune floods.

My pools went from 4 minutes to 3 minutes for full floods as things settled... Always drained at around a minute...

This is with a 2 1/2 inch bed of CC....
When I flower I will have a 5''-6'' bed and it should take 2 minutes to flood and less than one to drain...


Reading what D9 and some others have said, it seems like the alternate tailpiece media is a no go for me. I think it will be either 100% coco or 100% 8822. The differing media apparently don't interact too well together. For example my current run has hydroton wicks with coco buckets (I know the hydroton won't wick up but thought it would at least lower the PWT) but presumably this is useless as the moisture just stays in the coco like a sponge... as the hydroton is too different in consistency to help lower the PWT.

But in your case maybe it would work because the coco in the tailpiece is more dense than the CC on top? Rather than vise versa.
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The verdict is not in yet but....
I sure do miss my coco/mix....
Felt safer if pumps failed and the top never looked dry as with CC....
Just under the surface is moist but it bugs me...lol

Pure coco just seems like a bad idea...IMHO...
Compaction and retention of moisture being major factors...

Coco/CC or 8822 or perlite... Those are winners in my book....


For me.... I would like to add around 30% coco and see if that flys as good if not better than pure CC....

Perhaps wave 2 this season....



Always good ta see ya, farmari....


Puff,puff,pass...:ying:
 
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farmari

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Coco does seem to wick like crazy. I just glanced at a 1gal bucket of coco I had left wicked as a test with a 1" air gap and 6" up from the bottom of the bucket looks too moist if anything.
My first PPK attempt last Spring went great and I was using coco with I think a 4-5" air gap.
Perlite seems to need a much shorter air gap.

You're right, the media (medium? I don't know...) depth only needs to be a few inches. More like 8 gallons in the totes I have rather than 15. A 2 gallon PPK bucket can grow over a pound so 8gal should be more than enough. Are you keeping all the plants in their containers for flowering, just adding more media to fill the space surrounding them?

Would it be a crazy idea to use a huge tailpiece, to prevent blockage? I mean, using a 1 gallon bucket as a tailpiece for example. (seriously, lol) Especially if using 100% coco, as the lack of a flood pulse (presumably, considering how coco compacts) and otherwise slower drainage would negate the concern of draining too fast to flood.

To clarify for my math, am I correct to say that the drain times you mention are with 4' diameter pools that have 8 separate 1.5" diameter tailpieces?

Thanks for the toke man... I have high hopes to get something good set up and get it rocking. Been a rough year and haven't kept up with my garden well because of it. Best to take things one step at a time and not get stressed out too much :joint:
 
DamnUglyDogE

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farmari said:
Coco does seem to wick like crazy. I just glanced at a 1gal bucket of coco I had left wicked as a test with a 1" air gap and 6" up from the bottom of the bucket looks too moist if anything.
My first PPK attempt last Spring went great and I was using coco with I think a 4-5" air gap.
Perlite seems to need a much shorter air gap.

You're right, the media (medium? I don't know...) depth only needs to be a few inches. More like 8 gallons in the totes I have rather than 15. A 2 gallon PPK bucket can grow over a pound so 8gal should be more than enough. Are you keeping all the plants in their containers for flowering, just adding more media to fill the space surrounding them?
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Yep... Flat and wide seems better the tall and narrow for bigger growth with these PPKs...

The shorter the A.G. the more wicking happens and the stronger the PWT effect,keeping the roots at the bottom submersed in fluid and not allowing air roots to form...
So it really is about balance if you want maximum performance.
Being that you want Air type roots verses water type roots...
I think.... lol


Would it be a crazy idea to use a huge tailpiece, to prevent blockage? I mean, using a 1 gallon bucket as a tailpiece for example. (seriously, lol) Especially if using 100% coco, as the lack of a flood pulse (presumably, considering how coco compacts) and otherwise slower drainage would negate the concern of draining too fast to flood.
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I don't think you could flood anything with a tail piece that large.. haha Love ta see ya try though....
Think D9 could help you better in the tail piece department...


I would/will(whatever) say... Keep in mind with whatever you chose.
You want a full flood as fast as you can get it but just as important is to drain it just as fast,as D9 says...leaving the roots in the optimal growing environment between flood for as long as possible.

Also... Once roots start filling the tail pieces your drainage will slow even more... An issue some have run into mid flowering.
Something to keep in mind...lol


To clarify for my math, am I correct to say that the drain times you mention are with 4' diameter pools that have 8 separate 1.5" diameter tailpieces?
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You got it... 8 x 1.5 all around the outer rim... None in the center.

I thing this help for an even flood as I add water from the center.
This has worked great for me...

Thanks for the toke man... I have high hopes to get something good set up and get it rocking. Been a rough year and haven't kept up with my garden well because of it. Best to take things one step at a time and not get stressed out too much :joint:
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Truer words,rarely spoken,brother.... I feel ya on the body punches from life this past year.... Taken a few myself....
One puff in front of the other... That's all we can do...:ying:
Did I say puff.... :bongsmi:

Cant wait to see what you come up with as I have
not seen any other BED style PPKs tried...
New is almost... always fun....
Just don't sweat the little shit....
Peace...
 
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DamnUglyDogE

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I am so baked.... :biggrin:

This GSC/LB Hash is the flipping bomb...
I've paid and made hash before and this shit is on a whole other level...

Did me a run of Kong/BATF as well and that looks sweet!!!...




I only did one run of each mix...
Then ran the water used a 2nd time...
I want to make a German chocolate Swiss brownie cake
so I figure Im going to need some strong canna butter...

This... Should be interesting....



 
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Alien Dawg said:
Well. .. That was interesting ...
Let it cook a hour or two.
Broke a plate. When using two plates to sandwich the hot weed inorder
To get all the gold ..worked well enough.

Now I just wait...

My 2nd time making butter.
1.75 lbs of butter used. .

We shall see. ..





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I just recently made a couple pounds of butter myself....

And then, my girl bought some perogis at the store and we had no regular butter, or sour cream...

So my bright idea was "OH POT BUTTER, this will taste great..."

So i ate like 8 perogis dipped in pot butter, and littleraly before i finished chewing the last one i thought i was gonna die.

WAY.TO.Damn.HIGH!

Be careful ;)
 
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