Longest vac purge

[Crooked8]

So i blasted approx 1 lb into pyrex and threw it on a skillet to remove the solvent or most of it rather. Ive had it in my chamber 2 gallon for almost two days on a skillet with water in it. -28.75hg is the best i can do and i have the temp of the skillet around 150. With these identical setting two other strains but far less product (6-7grams) became honeycomb but it took 24hrs. This amount is obviously much larger id say 70-80 grams. Should it be taking this much longer though? How long can it take? Ive depressurized and re vacuumed it many times. Whats the longest its taken any of y'all to get it to comb up/dry out? Any tips are appreciated. Its still releasing big and small bubbles..

 

[Crooked8]

Bump, id love help

 

[Hash Man]

You have a pic?
You will need a little heat eventually to dry it out...
This was made in around 18 hrs. Its 66 grams.


I made a 4 gram test patty in the same exact amount of time shown here....



Take that shit out and fold it over on itself a few times n then try putting under vaccum starting at 85 and slowly increasing and ending at 115.

 

[nakadashi]

I don't think you can turn that into honeycomb anymore. That long at 150f and you have probably decarboxylated most of the oil.

From the little I know about making honeycomb, it has a lot to do with having it purge whilst also retaining its rigidity with the bubbles, which requires THCa that you converted to THC with heat.

 

[hobb3s93]

going thru the same shit. had one the other day honeycomb over night other two this week would only go shatter. first batch was sprayed thru 100 micron filter rather than 160 micron on following two, all same strain and material.

whats the highest temp u guys go up to when shooting for honeycomb?

 

[Crooked8]

Last run i started the purge at 110 degrees at full vac. I ended up having to take it higher to get it to dry out. At 110 there was barely any action. I have a laser thermometer and the bho never went over 130 this entire time. I turned the heat down and depressurized and brought it back to -28.75hg. I would agree/worry that maybe it was decarboxylized but, it still smells amazing and when you decarb it you lose those terpenes. Also there are still so many bubbles rising and popping. Ill admit i barely know what im doing with my chamber i just got it. I read so many diff things everywhere some say dont go over 110 some say dont go over 160. Some say 25hg is enough, some say 29.9 is required for comb(wasn't true for me in the small run). This is pretty tedious.

 

[Hash Man]

People need to start making the distinction between wax n honeycomb... and for that matter - transparent and translucent shatter.

I dont know how to get the good shatter so I cannot help you there. I will say that MANY people are giving advice on how to make "shatter" but its super opaque or not real shatter. In my book its not shatter unless its hard as a rock and clear as glass.... I call it a failure if I have a rock hard glass that is dark as fck.


Wax happens around 130-140 in the vac, but it comes out flat and opaque.


Honeycomb happens at around 100-105.

The confusion everyone here is having is many times due to simple miscommunication and differrent methodologies. First of all, 115 in my vacuum oven is very different than 115 in a mason jar or in another vacuum chamber. Either people are talking about the temp they have their oven set to, the temp inside the oven, or the temp of the extract itself.

Overheat your extract n u are done.

Try letting your tane n oil dry out naturally after the blast....

Whip it up over a hot water bath til most of the solvent is out.

Let it dry a bit so when u touch it it doesnt stick to your fingers.

Collect onto Parchment

Muffin it up with no heat in chamber

Slowly increase temps fr0m ambient to 85, wait a few hours

Go up to 95, wait a few hours

Highest i have gone to get comb is 115 in my oven, so my extract was prbly around 95 to finish...

If you get a lot of rapid bubbling u will not get comb...

You are trying to puff out your oil and then dry it out in a puffed up state. If you get a bunch of crazy bubbles going on you will lose the structure and will at best get a wax.

Hash

 

[Crooked8]

Damn i really hope i didnt go too high.. What will i have then, just dark goo? Nobody wants that...... Fuck. It still REAKS of og...

 

[Hash Man]

you did go too high.

best chance u have now is to let it cool...

take it out n put it on pyrex n reheat it it at 110 on the double boiler....AND WHIP THE SHIT OUT OF IT

put back on parch

Put it back in the chamber and vac it out under no heat.

Slowly increase the temps like i said before.... Leave it there for a day or two.

It might turn into an oily comb if u are lucky....

I am doing this exact thing as i type now. I will take a pic in the morn...

 

[Crooked8]

Im leaving it at full vac on low heat. Hope this works. Since cooling it I've seen tiny bubbles on the outside of the one area. Thanks hashman much appreciated

 

[Hash Man]

no problem man...

dont expect a good result unless u take it out n let it cool first... then heat it n whip it hard...before putting it in the vac on low heat...

Or just do a new batch n keep the temps low.... i would say dont let the extract get over 105 n watch what happens....

This is with no folding....


This is with folding... You have to fold it over as soon as the extract is stable enough to keep the shape and not melt down to a puddle. You will notice the creases you made from folding the extract over on itself multiple times will keep shape...


good luck bro
i recommend doing lots of small batches til u get it right, then do some bigger ones.
People have huge issues with whipping for some reason but it really helps with making comb in a vacuum...

I never would have been able to figure out how to get thie comb had i not gone through my whipping and heating stage... \

Once u get to know how the oil looks when its getting close to waxing u will have more and more successes and less failures overall.

Good luck

 

[Crooked8]

Much appreciated. I cooled it and brought it back up to 110. Whipping isnt really an option at this stage it is a very hard to manipulate oil on parchment. I can barely get a paperclip in it when its cool. It cannot be touched. The outsides look bright goldish amber. The patty itself is very amber looking. Maybe ill end up with shatter. It still smells so good.

 

[Hash Man]

Moving oil from parch to pyrex n back does take skill but is easy with practice. U have to fold n pull til u have a ball collected. Slam it down on the Pyrex n pull fast.

Pop it in the freezer for 5 min to cool it faster to work the parch properly.

 

[SkyHighLer]

Moving oil from parch to pyrex n back does take skill but is easy with practice. U have to fold n pull til u have a ball collected. Slam it down on the Pyrex n pull fast.

Pop it in the freezer for 5 min to cool it faster to work the parch properly.

I keep a candy makers marble slab frozen in the freezer, ready to set on the counter and slap my parchment on for just long enough to thicken the oil.

I choose this "Fox Run Marble Board"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036AQ0IC/ref=oh_details_o08_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

[Hash Man]

Don't Stop!

Don't Stop!

Don't count yourself out until your oil is dark n runny....

There are ways to turn C's into B's or dare I say A-'s.lol

Father Earth has shown how he has salvaged failed wax in his threads.

Here is a failed wax i was able to turn into something worthwhile...



I turned it into this.



Nice marble slab skyhighler. I may pick one up.

 

[Crooked8]

So i tried letting it cool, bringing the temps back up slowly to 130 tops. Still bubbling and popping. I weighed it, its approx 75 grams. It still reaks of og so much. When i depressurize it, it looks like shatter that doesnt shatter. Its not runny at all just a sticky semi hard sheet of amber. Its still bendable and stuff. Im so fucking frustrated. Im wondering if when i did the initial blast, if the skillet was too hot then. What temp do you guys run to boil off all the solvent initially before any whipping or vac purging?

 

[Hash Man]

Good observation.

I let it purge naturally until its still.

Then take inside and use hot water bath ~95...

Let it sit until its done bubbling.

Whip it up. If it dries a bit go in the oven. If its still liquidy, refill the hot water bath n repeat.

Dont get frustrated, u are paying your dues now.


Stay below 115.

 

[hobb3s93]

People need to start making the distinction between wax n honeycomb... and for that matter - transparent and translucent shatter.

I dont know how to get the good shatter so I cannot help you there. I will say that MANY people are giving advice on how to make "shatter" but its super opaque or not real shatter. In my book its not shatter unless its hard as a rock and clear as glass.... I call it a failure if I have a rock hard glass that is dark as fck.


Wax happens around 130-140 in the vac, but it comes out flat and opaque.
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Honeycomb happens at around 100-105.

The confusion everyone here is having is many times due to simple miscommunication and differrent methodologies. First of all, 115 in my vacuum oven is very different than 115 in a mason jar or in another vacuum chamber. Either people are talking about the temp they have their oven set to, the temp inside the oven, or the temp of the extract itself.

Overheat your extract n u are done.

Try letting your tane n oil dry out naturally after the blast....

Whip it up over a hot water bath til most of the solvent is out.

Let it dry a bit so when u touch it it doesnt stick to your fingers.

Collect onto Parchment

Muffin it up with no heat in chamber

Slowly increase temps fr0m ambient to 85, wait a few hours

Go up to 95, wait a few hours

Highest i have gone to get comb is 115 in my oven, so my extract was prbly around 95 to finish...

If you get a lot of rapid bubbling u will not get comb...

You are trying to puff out your oil and then dry it out in a puffed up state. If you get a bunch of crazy bubbles going on you will lose the structure and will at best get a wax.

Hash

i got my ai oven (.9cu) about a month a half ago. been making nice stuff but havent had much luck with the dry wax/honeycomb i was getting from my metal vac pot.

most purges have taken a few days to get to a buttery/sugerwax consistency.

what do u use to purge/hold ur oil (ie parchment , pyrex,oil slick)?

the temps u mentioned in this post are on ur oven right?

do u leave ur pump on continously once u reach full vac? or close the valve and let it sit?

i havent calibrated her yet but i think she runs about 8 degrees colder than the display says. been starting it at about 105 then jumping it up by 5 or 10 every couple hours till i get till about 120 or 125.

i think putting some marble or solid metal racks would help aswell.

 

[dopecook]

Is the plant wax that you remove via winterization (or SSD) the reason for waxy consistency?