Most Hydro Nutrients have to much P even without the Bloomboosters

[forgetmeplease]

What's your favorite nutrient profile? Most hydro nutrients have p to high. Over 40 ppm of p starts to interfere with other minerals. Should be actually 10-20 ppm Max. ?????????????? Yes 10-20 ppm Then when you add the Bloom boosters really causes lot more harm than good.

My favorite nutrient profile is a dilute Hoagland with lower P and increased Mg and Zinc.

This is the Hoagland's = dilute and add Mg and Zn= Thriving Plants instead of surviving like most hydroponic grows.

 

[forgetmeplease]

Hoagland = just dilute and reduce P and increase Mg and Zn and watch plants thrive instead survive. Dump the Bloom Ferts and use a Grow formula at diluted strengths.


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[forgetmeplease]

What is your low P nutrient profile?

 

[Granger2]

I hope you don't start another thread on this. It was hard enough deciding which of these 2. But in neither did you give any reason for your statements. Like maybe links to research. Or are we supposed to just take your word for it, and change our whole methods? -granger

 

[PetFlora]

So you expect this to be handed to you on a silver platter?

If you want to grow excellent meds, you need to learn about every phase. I suggest you start with nutrients

HINT: Most nutes sold in grow stores are NOT formulated for mj.

Don't feel too bad, pretty much we were all suckered into thinking if something is advertised in MJ mags then it must must be designed/formulated for mj

Oh the $$$ I misspent, but the hard lessons are the ones we learn

Today's pics (3 weeks since first pistils). Nutrient is Hydroponic Research VEG+ BLOOM


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I hope you don't start another thread on this. It was hard enough deciding which of these 2. But in neither did you give any reason for your statements. Like maybe links to research. Or are we supposed to just take your word for it, and change our whole methods? -granger

 

[ScissorMeTimber]

I would also like to see some scientific facts on this.

I also use, for the last 1.5 years or so, Veg+Bloom. I have had minor issues with it from the start. Both tap and ro versions in soil and coco. I still use it but do add Hydroplex during flower as a slight PK booster. I have had my best runs with the additive. I also get deficiencies running less than 1.6 EC.

 

[PetFlora]

gone through 5+ pounds now. I emailed Chris ~ 2 weeks ago regarding the last ~ 1/4 of my pound V + B (RO) that I was having pH issues....

Still not sure what the cause was (humidity finally dropped ~ 50%) , but it went away when I cracked my new one pound

Cris mentioned that he 'improved it'. I did not press him.

I would also like to see some scientific facts on this.

I also use, for the last 1.5 years or so, Veg+Bloom. I have had minor issues with it from the start. Both tap and ro versions in soil and coco. I still use it but do add Hydroplex during flower as a slight PK booster. I have had my best runs with the additive. I also get deficiencies running less than 1.6 EC.

 

[Granger2]

> So you expect this to be handed to you on a silver platter?

PetFlora,
Yes. -granger

 

[Storm Shadow]

Spurr put all of us up on game about this a couple of years ago...he broke it down and Chris from Veg+Bloom stole his mix idea...

5-11-26...Epsom Salt.. Cal-Nitrate

Pennies and chump change compared to anything else..

 

[PetFlora]

Sounds like you are being defensive of your friend. If it was HIS formula and he made it public, it became public domain. Apparently your friend failed to act on it. Don't blame Chris. Moreover, you are totally incorrect about the simplicity of the formula

Come by my current thread to see 'chump change' in action

Spurr put all of us up on game about this a couple of years ago...he broke it down and Chris from Veg+Bloom stole his mix idea...

5-11-26...Epsom Salt.. Cal-Nitrate

Pennies and chump change compared to anything else..

 

[Storm Shadow]

Chris stole his idea...and Chris sucks at chemistry... if he knew anything about it.... he'd know you cant mix all those elements together without getting clumps of crap... anyways I could care less about Veg+Bloom... anyone with 1/2 a brain knows all you need is a few cents in 5-12-26...Epsom Salt...Cal-Nitrate

Here is what Chris stole

 

[forgetmeplease]

I hope you don't start another thread on this. It was hard enough deciding which of these 2. But in neither did you give any reason for your statements. Like maybe links to research. Or are we supposed to just take your word for it, and change our whole methods? -granger

Really Granger what's it matter to you. Maybe you can just let me start this thread and you wont have to be involved. GEEEESSHH !

I would say this is as good a thread as any considering the fact that most folks are yielding only 1 gpw. The fact that most of the folks around here are still buying tons of additives and wasting tons of cash only to cause there plants to survive rather than thrive. Fact is if you are using all of these additives and only getting 1gpw than you are wasting a lot of valuable resources.

Im sorry if it bothers you that I want to start a thread about something you feel that is not needed. Was I supposed to ask your permission first. If anything you have been on the threads about low P and you already know that is is proven that the low P
formula works very well without all of the hype nutrients and additives. Peace

 

[forgetmeplease]

Chris stole his idea...and Chris sucks at chemistry... if he knew anything about it.... he'd know you cant mix all those elements together without getting clumps of crap... anyways I could care less about Veg+Bloom... anyone with 1/2 a brain knows all you need is a few cents in 5-12-26...Epsom Salt...Cal-Nitrate

Here is what Chris stole

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S.S. thank you ! I see that you are in the know. Maybe Granger will find out what this thread is worth one day . Maybe he already knows and wants others not to know. Who knows all I know is that this is exactly what the folks around here need to hear.

I would even say that the P needs to no higher than 20 ppm and that might even be pushing it at different stages of growth.

 

[Granger2]

Forgetmeplease,
Well at least there was a little detail in your 2 latest posts. All I'm saying is that if you come here with a thread, and make statements about what people should or should not use, give some detail, explanation, or links to info. Peace. -granger

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

Forgetmeplease,
Well at least there was a little detail in your 2 latest posts. All I'm saying is that if you come here with a thread, and make statements about what people should or should not use, give some detail, explanation, or links to info. Peace. -granger

that's pretty much a good standard to follow for any thread imo

 

[Snype]

Spurr put all of us up on game about this a couple of years ago...he broke it down and Chris from Veg+Bloom stole his mix idea...

5-11-26...Epsom Salt.. Cal-Nitrate

Pennies and chump change compared to anything else..

Do you know where to find that thread?

 

[RubeGoldberg]

http://www.growersunderground.com/PhosphorusMyth.pdf


some study from awhile back by UBC that AN commissioned, it shows the ratios of absorption in the plant tissue.

 

[azad]

Snype Here ya go buddy.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=222646