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BHOgart Extractor Thread
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Pure777Extracts
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Website says 1100$ when you go to buy it, but on the comparison page it says 1400$, I can't find a cheaper mk111A and a lot of the parts are out of stock.
If you special order the parts from Glacier, they will hold them for you when they come in, so that they aren't immediately sold out from under you. That is how I've built my last two, since the design went viral.
Machining and welding was about $80 when I set up the first Mk IIIA's, and is pretty easy, so shop around.
Ice cold? Do you mean dry-ice cold?
What makes "ice cold n-butane product" harder to work with then other forms of oil? I'm assuming you are talking about shatter/sap?
Ice cold? Do you mean dry-ice cold?
What makes "ice cold n-butane product" harder to work with then other forms of oil? I'm assuming you are talking about shatter/sap?
It's the boiling point of N-butane that's hard to work with.
31-32F It just wants to pool and hang. Wasn't talking about the end product.
Pure777Extracts
Member
I ended up just ordering from SF. After 2 months of trying I could not wait anymore. Plus glacier wasn't very responsive, But thanks.
AdeptExtracts
I'm confused. Kcar fit almost a pound into his BHOgart. If the MK2 fits a pound to 2 pounds, why aren't you testing the MK2 next to it? I thought the MK3 was for smaller runs of less than pounds?
Shit I just went to the BHOgart website for the first time. They make it very simple to know which product to buy. One unit holds a pound, another unit holds 2.5 pounds and the last unit holds 5 pounds. They even have prices and I don't need to order other parts except a pump. Thinking of ordering one unless someone tells me some sort of problem.
The fully automated Mk II is built into an extraction cabinet and isn't portable. It also isn't as fast as a manual unit, because it always runs things like flood times to the worst case scenario, instead of what actually is observed.
I already know that the BHOgart works, and that a Terpenator will work the same way with the injection tee on top, because we have already tried it.
I can make all kinds of statements about my own findings, as can Matt, but it would be just two folks with involved interest stating their position.
The transparent solution is direct comparison and the only unanswered question is efficiency of removal between the two designs, because of the different flood method, and I can tell you that the differences are not profound.
Look at it more like a friendly race for beers, than a life or death shootout to save the world as we know it.
All the cars are fast, and get good mileage, the question is only whose fastest and gets the best mileage.
mr. durden
Member
except Kcar is using a 3x36 column, which should translate to 2.5lbs, but he is getting less than a pound in his column.
there are just inefficiencies with the bhogart design. you are currently limited to top down blasting, might possibly have incomplete coverage compared to the bottom up style, the recovery tank is too small and would require more refilling more often, it'll have slower recovery times in similar run situations, the hose routing isn't the best, etc.
there is a reason that GW's design is talked about on almost all forums and in length. lots of people use it, it is flexible, and uses a lot of off the shelf parts versus a proprietary design.
there are just inefficiencies with the bhogart design. you are currently limited to top down blasting, might possibly have incomplete coverage compared to the bottom up style, the recovery tank is too small and would require more refilling more often, it'll have slower recovery times in similar run situations, the hose routing isn't the best, etc.
there is a reason that GW's design is talked about on almost all forums and in length. lots of people use it, it is flexible, and uses a lot of off the shelf parts versus a proprietary design.
An update.
1) The refrigerant tank started leaking again. It may be that the dry ice/acetone bath was too much for it? Maybe cracked a weld? Or it could be a fitting? I don't know--but the guys are already using a robinair refrigerant tank instead.
2) The rubber o-rings in the hoses are gross and need to be removed. Ok, we removed them. But even on pristine starting material our outcome was black. What gives? I ran some water through one of the hoses and black stuff came out the other end. Probably my fault for running solvent at -44F through it. Maybe the lining is leeching? Maybe it's just some broken up o-ring material. Either way--the guys asked for stainless steel hoses and I opened my wallet to the tune of $400.
3) Brass 3-way valve on one of the hoses snapped. Ok...not BHOgart's fault but still annoying. I'm sure BHOgart would replace it but we already moved on to stainless braided hoses.
These kinds of problems aren't isolated to the BHOgart--but it does bring up the point that no matter what you do you're going to find yourself troubleshooting your setup. I knew all this stuff was going to have to be replaced from the start--but I wasn't expecting it to cause so many delays in the short term.
At the end of the day--the guys love the machine(they've also never seen a terp) but it's already nearing $600 of upgrades in the first month. That's actually not even a drop in the bucket compared to other expenses like appion rebuild parts, vac ovens, pumps, etc.
All of this is fixable. Just add an option for a 'deluxe kit' with a standard refrigerant tank, all stainless hoses, and a bigger recovery hose(1/2") and then I wouldn't have had complaints.
1) The refrigerant tank started leaking again. It may be that the dry ice/acetone bath was too much for it? Maybe cracked a weld? Or it could be a fitting? I don't know--but the guys are already using a robinair refrigerant tank instead.
2) The rubber o-rings in the hoses are gross and need to be removed. Ok, we removed them. But even on pristine starting material our outcome was black. What gives? I ran some water through one of the hoses and black stuff came out the other end. Probably my fault for running solvent at -44F through it. Maybe the lining is leeching? Maybe it's just some broken up o-ring material. Either way--the guys asked for stainless steel hoses and I opened my wallet to the tune of $400.
3) Brass 3-way valve on one of the hoses snapped. Ok...not BHOgart's fault but still annoying. I'm sure BHOgart would replace it but we already moved on to stainless braided hoses.
These kinds of problems aren't isolated to the BHOgart--but it does bring up the point that no matter what you do you're going to find yourself troubleshooting your setup. I knew all this stuff was going to have to be replaced from the start--but I wasn't expecting it to cause so many delays in the short term.
At the end of the day--the guys love the machine(they've also never seen a terp) but it's already nearing $600 of upgrades in the first month. That's actually not even a drop in the bucket compared to other expenses like appion rebuild parts, vac ovens, pumps, etc.
All of this is fixable. Just add an option for a 'deluxe kit' with a standard refrigerant tank, all stainless hoses, and a bigger recovery hose(1/2") and then I wouldn't have had complaints.
I switched to commercial tanks on the Terpenators, because I can't build them for what I can buy a bigger certified one for. We use a 50# recovery tank on the Mk I, II, and III, but a 100# recovery tank for the Mk V.
You shouldn't be leaching crap from hoses.
We use hoses with veneers (liners). The JB hoses are lined with Kevlar, the original hoses that we used were lined with Nylon, and the Mk V hoses are PTFE lined. We also have experimented with stainless lined hoses, which work.
You shouldn't be leaching crap from hoses.
We use hoses with veneers (liners). The JB hoses are lined with Kevlar, the original hoses that we used were lined with Nylon, and the Mk V hoses are PTFE lined. We also have experimented with stainless lined hoses, which work.
mr. durden
Member
where did it leak?? sometimes it'll leak at the valves if they aren't opened all the way. sometimes at where the valve assembly screws into the cylinder. maybe just use dry ice and also freeze your columns with dry ice for a couple hours?
the gaskets are gross? what kind did you get? i tend to use jb or yellow jacket, but i originally used the ones GW recommended. never had anything happen like you describe. or were they the cheapie hoses that come from bhogart?
snapped? you definitely gotta be cautious of super frozen metals... you could snap them if bumped too hard.
i think some systems have been shaken out better than others, but using dry ice hasn't been documented as much until recently.
yeah, the recovery hose on your setup and the butane holding tank are WAY too small.
Hash Man
Member
Did the black stuff come out on the virgin run of new equiptment ? I ordered new columns and larger tanks. I ran old material first and got black oil. They obviously have a new spool manufactuer- maybe there is residue in there from production.
Or you overheated during recovery.
mr. durden
Member
oh, then it isn't the hoses. yes, get a much bigger holding tank... 50lb mastercool.
did you guys clean your systems really good till no oil appeared on the bottom of the collection tank?
