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I noticed some tiny black insects crawling on some of my leaves last night. The first one I chalked up as a fluke, but when I found another just a few minutes later I realized I could have a problem on my hands. They're not mites. I really have no idea what they are. They're long and skinny, but not quite long like a centipede. Their bodies seem to have 3 segments, with the abdomen being the longest, but no wider than the thorax or head. Also, the abdomen was shiny black, whereas the rest of the insect seemed more dull. I couldn't get a photo of them because they were so small that I was worried I'd drop them before I could get them out of the room.
So far I haven't been able to identify them. I have a few hours before work to see what I can do. It's getting to be almost too late for another neem application (my week 2 app was supposed to be the final one) but I think I might give one more tonight when I get home.
Anybody got any ideas?
So far I haven't been able to identify them. I have a few hours before work to see what I can do. It's getting to be almost too late for another neem application (my week 2 app was supposed to be the final one) but I think I might give one more tonight when I get home.
Anybody got any ideas?
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After turning up nothing on a google search, I was wondering... do you think it could be the black fly larvae fleeing the newly-applied BTI? I would think not, since I found both of them very close to the tops of the plants. They didn't appear to be munching on anything, but they were alarmingly close to the buds. I'd hate to have an internal bud infection and not realize it (happened on my outdoor autos last summer).
[have I mentioned that identifying pests is my LEAST favorite part of growing? trimming included]
Edit: on second thought, they do not look anything like larvae. Adolescent, maybe, but not larvae.
[have I mentioned that identifying pests is my LEAST favorite part of growing? trimming included]
Edit: on second thought, they do not look anything like larvae. Adolescent, maybe, but not larvae.
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Day 28
Update time!!
MMmmmmm that haze smell is intoxicating!!
But these poor plants! I just look at them and know I did them wrong. They're still gonna yield for me, thankfully, but I'm disappointed that I didn't live up to my end of the contract with the plants. I can't wait to get to next round. I feel like my room is mostly dialed now, in a general sense of the term. There are a few additions to make, but the some of the plants seem incredibly happy in their environment. Others still hold scars from being cooked. By me. Ugh.
Also, I accidentally broke a branch off one of the smaller plants (lemon OG I think, taste confirms) while installing an oscillating fan and even though she looks a week behind the rest it's already pretty stony, even wet in the vape. You know how that goes...
On to some pics...
Here's the bud we've been following:
Mmm check out that big lemon og in the background. I think I'm gonna pick up a bunch of clones of her asap. She loves it here.
One more of the lemon og:
Update time!!
MMmmmmm that haze smell is intoxicating!!
But these poor plants! I just look at them and know I did them wrong. They're still gonna yield for me, thankfully, but I'm disappointed that I didn't live up to my end of the contract with the plants. I can't wait to get to next round. I feel like my room is mostly dialed now, in a general sense of the term. There are a few additions to make, but the some of the plants seem incredibly happy in their environment. Others still hold scars from being cooked. By me. Ugh.
Also, I accidentally broke a branch off one of the smaller plants (lemon OG I think, taste confirms) while installing an oscillating fan and even though she looks a week behind the rest it's already pretty stony, even wet in the vape. You know how that goes...
On to some pics...
Here's the bud we've been following:
Mmm check out that big lemon og in the background. I think I'm gonna pick up a bunch of clones of her asap. She loves it here.
One more of the lemon og:
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Here's the gnarly beast. I feel particularly sorry to her, although she still looks like she'll produce decently enough. We'll see. I'm bearing my soul here with this one, guys.
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No sign of bugs of any kind for at least a week now. I still never identified those tiny black leaf crawlers, but I haven't seen any more since that day so I think I'm out of the woods on that one. Things have been very calm here, and the plants have asked me to stay away for awhile so they can do their thing. All's good (as it can get) in paradise...
wtfn
Great lookin' room there. The canopy itself is dennnnse! 
It's hard to tell from these photos, but it looks like you might could stand to clean up the plants a little before you flip the next round?
What I mean is that it looks like you've got branches/flowers pretty low on the plant - and that's usually a recipe for flimsy/airy/lerfsterish flowers down below, and smaller ones up top.
Doing a little leg shaving (cleaning up that lower shit that turns into lerf anyway) oughtta force those plants to grow larger flowers up top, without the pain-in-the-ass-to-trim lerfy shit on the bottom.
Just a thought - not that you need my intervention in order to be successful I gotta say, that's a damned good lookin' room! Do you defoliate at all during flower, after stretch? I'm just thinking [out aloud] of ways to tweak what you've already got cookin', to get you over that hump and onto the Next Level.
Great lookin' room there. The canopy itself is dennnnse! It's hard to tell from these photos, but it looks like you might could stand to clean up the plants a little before you flip the next round?
What I mean is that it looks like you've got branches/flowers pretty low on the plant - and that's usually a recipe for flimsy/airy/lerfsterish flowers down below, and smaller ones up top.
Doing a little leg shaving (cleaning up that lower shit that turns into lerf anyway) oughtta force those plants to grow larger flowers up top, without the pain-in-the-ass-to-trim lerfy shit on the bottom.
Just a thought - not that you need my intervention in order to be successful
I gotta say, that's a damned good lookin' room! Do you defoliate at all during flower, after stretch? I'm just thinking [out aloud] of ways to tweak what you've already got cookin', to get you over that hump and onto the Next Level. whythefnot
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wtfn
It's hard to tell from these photos, but it looks like you might could stand to clean up the plants a little before you flip the next round?
What I mean is that it looks like you've got branches/flowers pretty low on the plant - and that's usually a recipe for flimsy/airy/lerfsterish flowers down below, and smaller ones up top.
Doing a little leg shaving (cleaning up that lower shit that turns into lerf anyway) oughtta force those plants to grow larger flowers up top, without the pain-in-the-ass-to-trim lerfy shit on the bottom.
Just a thought - not that you need my intervention in order to be successful
Yeah man, I'm always open to suggestions. I considered trimming the lower stuff but I was afraid of having a canopy that was not dense enough. Next round I'm going to grow fewer plants, and I'll be able to let them get a little taller and still keep a 2ft canopy while trimming some lower branches. I took a lot of the larfy stuff from the base of the plant but left the larger branches, since the plants are only about 2ft tall, and I'm running 1000w lights. I'm going to be experimenting with this in the future more...
I wasn't planning any defoliation. There aren't many buds that don't get good light, and if I ever see any I'll rotate the pots around to make sure that all the tops are getting direct light. Is there another reason to defoliate that I'm unaware of?
Thanks for the input, I'll be doing a lot of tweaking over the next 6 months or so, your input is always welcome!
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I picked up some bud this week from a local grower. I'm strapped so I had to make do with what I could, and once everything was said and done, I ended up with a jarful of pretty outdoor buds that taste nice, but obviously had zero flush. Headachy, but better than nothing. It will definitely last me through this harvest. 'Bout 4 weeks left and I'm giddy as hell!
I've already conceded that the quality and yield will be nothing spectacular from this run. First run, dialing things in...it hurts to admit, but it happens. This is still my best first run yet lol. Maybe I have some issues.
Anyway, the point is, there is one plant that seemed unaffected when I cooked the rest. She vegged through the first week of flower (it was her own choice...I think she was kind of small to be flowered and she knew it) and has been 4 - 7 days behind the rest of the plants this whole time. But she's looking immaculate, probably the nicest looking plant I've ever grown at this stage. Loaded with crystals and going to put on some HUGE nugs for a plant her size. This is what I envision the next grow to be like. Lots of beautiful, healthy, stocky plants full of sticky, crystally, tasty nugs. I think this run will have the flavor, and I may still get a decent yield, but I'm sure, after comparing the damaged tops to the undamaged plant, that the potency will not be what one would hope from an organic compost tea grow. Oh, well. I have the next few years to get things straightened out.
On the up side, the plants that were hit hardest, and sort of 'bleached' of their green color, are turning purple. I know, it's from deficiency. But it's still pretty.
I've already conceded that the quality and yield will be nothing spectacular from this run. First run, dialing things in...it hurts to admit, but it happens. This is still my best first run yet lol. Maybe I have some issues.
Anyway, the point is, there is one plant that seemed unaffected when I cooked the rest. She vegged through the first week of flower (it was her own choice...I think she was kind of small to be flowered and she knew it) and has been 4 - 7 days behind the rest of the plants this whole time. But she's looking immaculate, probably the nicest looking plant I've ever grown at this stage. Loaded with crystals and going to put on some HUGE nugs for a plant her size. This is what I envision the next grow to be like. Lots of beautiful, healthy, stocky plants full of sticky, crystally, tasty nugs. I think this run will have the flavor, and I may still get a decent yield, but I'm sure, after comparing the damaged tops to the undamaged plant, that the potency will not be what one would hope from an organic compost tea grow. Oh, well. I have the next few years to get things straightened out.
On the up side, the plants that were hit hardest, and sort of 'bleached' of their green color, are turning purple. I know, it's from deficiency. But it's still pretty.
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Also, I'm still having trouble keeping my rh over 50% at times during lights on. I'm looking at humidifiers on craigslist right now. I took my temp down a few degrees in the last 2 weeks and the drop in humidity seemed to correspond with that. Does a 1 degree difference in the a/c usually create a noticeable difference in humidity, like 5% or so?
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I'll do my update in the morning this time.
No way to put an exact number on it, but yes, turning down the a/c temp causes it to work more, removing more water from the air.
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Yes, that's the logic I'm working with...
We had a pretty solid cold front move through last night and my humidity was up in the 60s when I woke up this morning. That tells me that the a/c is what's preventing my humidity from achieving the right range. I'll pick up a humidifier soon and run it on a timer. Once I get a little cash back in my pocket I'll put it on a controller.
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Day 35
Update time!!!
Update time!!!
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CRAP! The main blower in my window unit took a dump last night. Canopy was at 88*F this morning when I went in. I quickly converted the room to a standard exhaust setup, now I'm a/c shopping (again).
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Plants seem to be no worse for the wear. I'm starting to become fond of the buds that originally looked the worst. They're all turning purple and gold, with a little green. Really, really beautiful buds. Mais, where I grew up on da bayou, dey call dem mardi gras colors. 
Still no progress on getting an a/c unit. They'll have to go a day or two with no co2 supplementation until I can round one up I can afford right now. Since it's only the main blower that's broken, I tried rigging the larger of the two blower fans from the old portable unit I disassembled/destroyed to where the cold air comes from but it wasn't powerful enough, and within a few minutes I had a blown breaker. Temps are in the mid to upper 70s. I'm only cooling 2 lights, the other two are still inline with the intake. The air coming in right now is in the 40s or 30s, and in the low 70s after passing through 2 lights and in to the room, so it works out fine. If I can't get a new unit in the next few days I'll need some more 8" ducting to cool all 4 lights.
I was really hoping to cruise right through the end of this grow. Oh, well. The plants look happier than ever.
Still no progress on getting an a/c unit. They'll have to go a day or two with no co2 supplementation until I can round one up I can afford right now. Since it's only the main blower that's broken, I tried rigging the larger of the two blower fans from the old portable unit I disassembled/destroyed to where the cold air comes from but it wasn't powerful enough, and within a few minutes I had a blown breaker. Temps are in the mid to upper 70s. I'm only cooling 2 lights, the other two are still inline with the intake. The air coming in right now is in the 40s or 30s, and in the low 70s after passing through 2 lights and in to the room, so it works out fine. If I can't get a new unit in the next few days I'll need some more 8" ducting to cool all 4 lights.
I was really hoping to cruise right through the end of this grow. Oh, well. The plants look happier than ever.
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I think I found a unit. It's a 15,000 btu LG for $70. It's gonna take a drive to downtown LA and I work during the evenings to the logistics of picking the thing up aren't very simple.
I keep thinking that if this had happened in south Louisiana, it would have been game. freaking. over. The temps rarely dip out of the 70s at night during this time of year (and often stay above 85 at night during the summer) so there is no option for exhaust cooling.
I keep thinking that if this had happened in south Louisiana, it would have been game. freaking. over. The temps rarely dip out of the 70s at night during this time of year (and often stay above 85 at night during the summer) so there is no option for exhaust cooling.
Its not hate, its called tough love.
