High CBD strains, gotta have em!
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CrazyKoala
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Sensistar CBD pheno?
P98 BK CBD pheno?
I think they must have been outcrossed, then backcrossed (or F2's taken) then selected for high CBD. Sensistar, as far as I know breeds true for high THC (THC only), and mutation to a ultra-high CBD pheno is unlikely. But then again, the TBBxOGK CBD pheno cats claim it was a normal TBB x OGK and a suspected mutation. I'm thinking some people high on THC picked seeds from stray (hemp?) pollen, made F2's, and out of many hay-smelling, low total cannabinoid plants, selected for high CBD, and decent terpenoid profile. But that is speculation. Either that or, people are lying, which wouldn't surprise me either.
Where is that high CBD P98BK making its rounds?
CrazyKoala
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R4 lacks desirable terpenes.
Assuming it does have high CBD, like Sam said, it needs to be outcrossed to plants with desirable terpenes, F2's made, and selections made for CBD and desirable terpenoid profile. For breeding purposes the pure-CBD phenotype is of interest (breeds true). For medical/commercial purposes, most patients are disappointed with pure-CBD. The pure CBD plant (once stabilized over 4-5 generations preferably) can be outcrossed to pure THC (and preferably stabilized) varietals to make mixed THC/CBD F1's. Rather expensive, and time consuming process if you ask me, but a few steps ahead of starting with low total cannabinoid hemp which would add another series of steps. TLC/Fast Bb may lower costs, but is semi-quantitative at best, and resolution between CBN/CBD is rather poor, and small errors magnify ambiguity in results, and overall not an easy process for lay persons. Legality of TLC separated cannabinoids is another matter (may or may not be an issue depending on jurisdiction and interpretation).
The alternative shortcut way of outcrossing, making F2's without testing would require quite a bit of luck, and/or great notes and extreme keenness of perception (for CBD vs CBD/THC, and for various terpenes). My 2c whatever it's worth.
Crazy koala, TBB from DJShrt seemed to be very high in CBd when I grew some several years ago. Judging by the effects because I didn't get it tested.
Anyone remember the high CBd Cotton Candy Hhc had flowers of several years ago? A buddy mentioned he knows the guys from Weed Cntry and "(CBD crew)".
Anyone remember the high CBd Cotton Candy Hhc had flowers of several years ago? A buddy mentioned he knows the guys from Weed Cntry and "(CBD crew)".
CrazyKoala
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Qualitative is unreliable somewhat. People used to say CBD is body, THC the head. That it gets you sleepy, couchlock.
Turns out that was all untrue even accounting for how different people react to different strains. And claims of high CBD before chromatography was commonly applied by seed companies were shown to be falsified.
There might be something in the science we are not understanding if indeed 2 THC strains crossed (even with say 2% CBD) is somehow producing a 4%+ CBD strain. That is a big "if".
The clone guys at various clubs were good at mixing up plants esp. around the time TBBxOGK came out, so I would not be surprised if this all has to do with a mixup, or otherwise someone making up a lie. That TBBxOGK was readily available at BPG and HHC then disappeared, though flowers are at SPARC which suggests to me there was something about the quality or legitimacy of the strain origin claims.
Dope time
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Hit rep by mistake.
? You think wrong. What I read man.Google...
Wheelchair bound m8 ysee.Wise to investigate (no lie!!) ???
I got rid but to my Knowledge there's only one in Exsistance
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So there's a not so hi CBD one is there! Where's that then ???
CBD = pain relieving and sleepy YES.^ hence
Want a pic ?
CrazyKoala
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"? You think wrong. What I read man.Google...
Wheelchair bound m8 ysee.Wise to investigate (no lie!!) ???
I got rid but to my Knowledge there's only one in Exsistance
!?
So there's a not so hi CBD one is there! Where's that then ???
CBD = pain relieving and sleepy YES.^ hence
Want a pic ?"
I don't know what you mean. I have a condition where CBD helps. It is not pain relieving to me in and of itself. I find THC + CBD to work much better for that. I also find CBD to make me feel extremely alert in a non-jittery, non-stimulant way. A calm, non-sedate, non-excited alertness. Hard to explain.
And when combined with racy sativas it takes the edge off, smoothes it out (no uncomfortable thoughts), and lengthens the overall effects. Others I know who have access to CBD medication tell me much the same, such as its ability to reduce anxiety, and seeming observation of reduced inflammation. Many have also told me they find it 'boring' when pure or in lopsided high CBD ratios.
The stony, dopey, stuck-on-couch effect may be certain terpenes and possibly CBN, though I wouldn't know because CBN is mostly considered an undesirable degradation product of THC, and thus screened out by many clubs, according to them (purchasing refuse 'old', high CBN meds and utilize the CBN% number as an indication of degradation).
It could be that there are rare individuals who CBD makes them fall asleep, just as coffee and stimulants seem to calm some people down. I'm not sure, but the widespread reports of pure CBD being a sort of a 'downer' has to do, in my opinion, with widespread misattribution and overzealous marketing by unethical seedbanks.
Wheelchair bound m8 ysee.Wise to investigate (no lie!!) ???
I got rid but to my Knowledge there's only one in Exsistance
!?
So there's a not so hi CBD one is there! Where's that then ???
CBD = pain relieving and sleepy YES.^ hence
Want a pic ?"
I don't know what you mean. I have a condition where CBD helps. It is not pain relieving to me in and of itself. I find THC + CBD to work much better for that. I also find CBD to make me feel extremely alert in a non-jittery, non-stimulant way. A calm, non-sedate, non-excited alertness. Hard to explain.
And when combined with racy sativas it takes the edge off, smoothes it out (no uncomfortable thoughts), and lengthens the overall effects. Others I know who have access to CBD medication tell me much the same, such as its ability to reduce anxiety, and seeming observation of reduced inflammation. Many have also told me they find it 'boring' when pure or in lopsided high CBD ratios.
The stony, dopey, stuck-on-couch effect may be certain terpenes and possibly CBN, though I wouldn't know because CBN is mostly considered an undesirable degradation product of THC, and thus screened out by many clubs, according to them (purchasing refuse 'old', high CBN meds and utilize the CBN% number as an indication of degradation).
It could be that there are rare individuals who CBD makes them fall asleep, just as coffee and stimulants seem to calm some people down. I'm not sure, but the widespread reports of pure CBD being a sort of a 'downer' has to do, in my opinion, with widespread misattribution and overzealous marketing by unethical seedbanks.
Dope time
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The Guy Standing Mentioned to me a while back Find (?)a High CBD Strain(?)For the Guy in the Wheelchair [brother].Who Suffers from Spasms which are Countered With CBD
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=142483&page=142
I have 1 seed of Dinafems Diesel. Havent popped it yet.
For whatever reason, Ive gotten extremely lucky or just straight blessed, but I seem to always find the best pheno in any given strain with just 1 seed.
Happened with the GrandoggyPurps, SSSDH, BCBD Purps, Critical+, Delahaze, Further, 21, Waipi'o Hapa, Sour Cream, and Great White Shark.
I just may pop that bean and see if I can find the 1:1 ratio pheno. Does the strain taste and smell good though?
on a side note....
The only high cbd strains I know of are Harlequin and Otto.
jamminman
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I am curious. How many of you people that claim to be able to tell CBD content just by the effect have ever verified by testing to see if you are right or wrong? I have had my misconceptions straightened out by buying a test kit and looking for my self, and have found there are a lot of "urban legends" associated with CBD and CBN.
And as for P98BK, how many packs of seeds to find one with CBD would you consider it to be a high CBD strain? I didn't find ANY CBD in a whole pack. I have found only one without CBD in 2 packs of seeds from the CBD Crew.
And as for P98BK, how many packs of seeds to find one with CBD would you consider it to be a high CBD strain? I didn't find ANY CBD in a whole pack. I have found only one without CBD in 2 packs of seeds from the CBD Crew.
jamminman
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The ditchweed thing is a good alternative to nothing. But the amount of oil is significantly less, and the amount of cannabinoids is even less. So it takes a butt load to get anywhere. The lack of a decent terpenoid profile that CrazyKoala mentioned is also a big factor. Where it is not a "good" source, it is still A source when there is no other choice.
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AlterEgo860
can u tell wen smoking a high cbd strain.. say u pop a new seed.. go to sit down an smoke after harvest.. would this strain not be as good as other strains because of high cbd.. o rwould u notice anything:? or would u be like fuck umm. ya this weed sucks I didn't even get stoned?. lol
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CrazyKoala
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This makes sense. Except a CBD crew pack having a non-CBD. Perhaps it was low, or there was poor resolution. Making sure 100% of the plants have THC:CBD is not a hard thing, so I would be surprised if they messed up by sending out some batches without CBD genetics.
P98BK should not have any CBD as I've said, and your info backs this. Thanks for the info.
CrazyKoala
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Chem D has very little CBD. Stone/heavy is not CBD. Hope that clarifies.
CrazyKoala
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Yes, you can tell once you start with flower tested buds and make a proper connection to how it affects you and CBD%. Yes, terpenes can make a difference, but when a plant has high CBD, it is clear to most separate from terpenes.
If CBD is high, say 2:1 vs THC, or 3:1, or all CBD, yes, it would be 'not as good' if you're looking to get stoned/high/etc. traditionally associated with cannabis. But if you're looking for medicinal properties and other properties (anti-anxiety, anti-spasm, anti-inflammation) it is not 'not good'. Different purpose different assessment. Yes, if it is very high, you would notice that you are not noticing 'stoning'. Hope that helps.
CrazyKoala
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In 1:1 or lesser ratios, there is for some, a 'clarifying' and 'smoothing out' effect (less edge, less fog, less uncomfortable thoughts if you are susceptible to that sort of thing say on strong sativas). while there still being other THC effects. At higher levels, there is a de-high effect, and with all CBD there is no 'high' or 'stone'.
