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Different rules for medical, recreational pot divide advocates and regulators

yortbogey

To Have More ... Desire Less
Veteran
SPOKANE, Wash. — To understand the problem Washington faces with legal marijuana, it might be best to think of the state as a family with two children.

The younger child, almost a year old and getting all the attention since before it was born last November, is recreational marijuana. Not even out of the crib yet, it’s being watched by concerned parents worried about every aspect of its growth, development and earning potential.

The older child, now a teenager that some feel is getting a bit out of control, is medical marijuana. It grew up with relatively little guidance from those same parents, who for years couldn’t decide exactly what to do with it or how to set boundaries. It has some loyal friends, shows signs of growing pains and has some of the other governments in the neighborhood — the feds, some cities and counties — saying the state needs to take a firmer hand.

The collective parents in the Legislature talked about such discipline earlier this year, but couldn’t decide on a course of action. Instead, they slipped a line into the 483-page general operating budget calling for a study of what to do about medical marijuana: Put the teenager into the same untried discipline planned for the infant, come up with a different plan or just leave things alone?

Later this month state agencies will release a draft proposal for increasing regulation on medical marijuana, possibly under the State Liquor Control Board, which is setting up rules to control, track and tax recreational marijuana.

While those discussions continue, mainly outside the public eye, the state Supreme Court recently expanded the ways a defendant facing a marijuana possession charge can claim “medical necessity” to gain an acquittal.

The Department of Social and Health Services is being accused of blocking a father from gaining custody of his infant daughter because he uses medical marijuana. A close look at the Spokane case shows the severity of the man’s medical marijuana use was debated by experts and became a key factor in a court commissioner’s decision to keep the child in foster care.

Supporters of the current system, which is basically devoid of regulation, say the study is a power grab by the liquor board, aided by people who want to eliminate medical marijuana by tying it to a system that’s bound to fail.

They’ve filed lawsuits over alleged violations of the state environmental protection laws and public meetings laws and last week brought a crowd to a Liquor Control Board hearing on rules for recreational marijuana.

State officials are “trying to push us onto a model that’s not economically viable,” John Worthington, a longtime advocate of medical marijuana, told the Senate Law and Justice Committee last week at a hearing in Steilacoom. “We’re going to fight them to the bitter end.”

Washington voters legalized marijuana for medical uses in 1998 with relatively little regulation. People with certain medical conditions, with a recommendation from certain health care providers, could have as much as a pound and a half of the drug at any one time, or grow their own, up to 15 plants. They could also join small “collective gardens” in which patients grow and share supplies.

It’s one of the biggest differences with Initiative 502, the new recreational marijuana law, which doesn’t allow people to grow their own or set up collective gardens. All marijuana must be grown by state-licensed operations and tracked from harvest to sale.

Using the statute covering collective gardens, marijuana dispensaries where patients can purchase a wide range of marijuana products — to smoke, eat, rub on skin or apply as drops on the tongue — began to proliferate in recent years.

The number of Washington residents with recommendations to use marijuana for various medical problems is unknown. By one estimate, there are as many as 240 dispensaries in Seattle alone. That compares to current state plans for no more than 21 recreational marijuana stores in that city next year.

Last month, three members of the Seattle City Council, along with representatives of other Washington cities and counties, met with key legislators and staff of the Liquor Control Board and the state Department of Health. On Sept. 30, the nine-member council sent a letter to Gov. Jay Inslee asking that recreational and medical marijuana be brought under a single system.

Seattle City Councilman Tim Burgess said they are concerned about the lack of regulation, quality control and state oversight for medical marijuana, in terms of the number of people who can get it, the number of dispensaries and the products that are available. Said Burgess, “This is a massive social change that our state is going through, and it’s important that we get it right.”

Steve Sarich of the Cannabis Action Coalition, a group of marijuana patients and dispensaries, contends the council, Liquor Control Board and other state officials are illegally developing a complete set of rules in secret with the goal of pushing them through a Legislature that has long been antagonistic to medical marijuana. Patients will be funneled into recreational stores to buy the drug, where the state stands to collect taxes that raise the price of a product by 25 percent at each phase of production, processing and sale.

The cost of recreational marijuana will be so high that the whole system is likely to fail and drag medical marijuana down with it, said Worthington, the medical marijuana advocate.

State Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles, D-Seattle, a longtime advocate of medical marijuana, agreed the Legislature has members who would like to eliminate it, “but they are a distinct minority,” she said in an email. The medical marijuana community is also divided on how to proceed, she added.

Kohl-Welles said she wants legitimate patients to have a “secure, reliable, safe source” of marijuana. In 2011 she sponsored, and the Legislature passed, a bill that allowed patients to register and the state to license and inspect medical marijuana operations. But then-Gov. Chris Gregoire vetoed most of those provisions, citing warnings from U.S. attorneys in Spokane and Seattle.

She said next year the Legislature might consider creating incentives for patients to purchase their medicine at recreational marijuana stores, perhaps exempting them from the taxes I-502 imposes.

“I’m leaning toward believing we don’t need to create a redundant system for medical cannabis, but we do need to ensure protections, quality, access, etc.,” she wrote, adding that the Department of Health may be in a better position to handle much of that than the Liquor Control Board. “Whether collective gardens will continue is under discussion.”

State officials defend the lack of public involvement in developing new rules for medical marijuana up to this point, saying they consist mainly of staff discussions. The finished proposal will be subjected to public hearings later this year.

Rep. Roger Goodman, D-Seattle, said he expects the finished proposal to come to the Legislature as a request from Gov. Jay Inslee but be subjected to the normal public scrutiny there. There’s a wide range of opinion about medical marijuana in the Legislature, but Goodman doesn’t believe the state should have redundant systems to regulate the drug for different users if medical patients can get the products they need, at prices they can afford, at retail stores.

If the state doesn’t start regulating medical marijuana, he said, federal prosecutors have signaled they will.



http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/la...for-medical-recreational-pot-divide-advocates
 
It’s one of the biggest differences with Initiative 502, the new recreational marijuana law, which doesn’t allow people to grow their own or set up collective gardens. All marijuana must be grown by state-licensed operations and tracked from harvest to sale.


To prohibit growing your own weed is totally unacceptable.

They let mutherfuckers brew their own beer and make their own wine, don't they?

Our own government treats us like little kunt-children. They think they were elected to boss us around but they were only elected to maintain the infrastructure. They were never elected to protect us from ourselves nor aggressively fight to protect the so-called rights of the corporations. Who else benefits from a law that says you can't grow your own except the profiteering muthercocks that are legally sanctioned to grow and sell it?

:moon::moon::moon:
 

ydijadoit

Active member
Follow the money, find the truth...
Commercial pot will be just that. Grown for max yield, and cranked out the door for max profit. I don't care whether it's the guy down the street from me, trying to pay off his ski boat with a 1000 watter in the closet, or a state licensed grower running a warehouse.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but how do we know the people getting the various licenses are even skilled at the trade? There isn't a resume required, that I have seen...
Are they going to hire high school kids at minimum wage to put all of it in mason jars, and crack the lid twice a day, to get a perfect cure?
I am extremely selective of what I smoke. The strains I choose have never been the "Popular" strains of the week.
I choose from those, the ones that work best for my back pain, and that strike a balance between sleeping soundly, and being couch locked, and unproductive.
I will continue to look for new and more effective strains, regardless of what the suit dummies decide in Olympia. I just don't care to be labeled an outlaw (Again).
I have no desire to go to a store and buy some commercial crap off the shelf, that would be a roll of the dice, as to whether it worked for me or not.
Besides, I enjoy growing more than most other hobbies.
Go hang yourselves with your own neckties, azzhats. Leave me alone. You have never helped me once in my life. The least you can do is leave me to discover what works best for me, on my own.
Regards
 

yortbogey

To Have More ... Desire Less
Veteran
State pot forum addresses lingering questions

State pot forum addresses lingering questions

ELLENSBURG — Workshops about business licenses don’t generally elicit laughter, much less whooping and applause, but that was the scene last week when about 140 residents gathered looking to cash in on the growing, processing and selling of marijuana retail in the state.

“You can see how excited everyone is,” said Lee Duncan, a 40-year-old Wenatchee resident who does salmon recovery work in Chelan County but hopes to become a licensed marijuana producer and processor. “We should be proud. There are people all over the world watching us.”

Attendees had question after question about the minutiae of the licensing process. So many questions, in fact, that the state Liquor Control Board’s marijuana policy staff had to frequently remind them they could only address one question at a time.

Concerns centered on financing sources allowed under the newly adopted rules, how moratoriums instituted by counties and cities could delay their aspirations and how much of their business will be open to public disclosure. The workshop was the first of seven to be held around the state after the Liquor Control Board officially codified its marijuana implementation rules Wednesday.

The answers weren’t always positive, but attendees — some who have been growing medical marijuana or illegal recreational marijuana for years — said they were excited that the state is working in good faith to make the new system successful.

“I think they’re honest when they say they want this to be successful,” said Steven Oliver, a Wenatchee resident and medical marijuana grower for the last four years. “Of course I’m in it for the money, but I believe in it for medical purposes, too. It should be legal.”

With most banks reluctant to provide financing for businesses centered on a product that is still illegal under federal law, Oliver, 55, and other attendees said they’re digging into their own pockets and asking for help from friends and family members to establish their businesses. Further complicating matters is that those who finance the business must meet state residency requirements and pass criminal background checks.

“We’re trying to keep this all within Washington,” Liquor Control Board investigator Nicola Reid said.

Wenatchee residents Mark McCants, 53, and Ryan Cooper, 32, estimate they’ll need $50,000 just to open a retail business, factoring in costs of finding a building, paying state fees, training staff and providing the necessary security. They’re partnering with two others to start the business, which they plan to name The Happy Crop Shoppe, and say the risk will be worth the reward.

“I’m raiding my kids’ inheritance,” McCants said.

Finding a building that’s not within 1,000 feet of a school, playground, recreation center, library, public transit center, park or other area prohibited in the initiative is also a challenge. Those seeking production, processor or retail licenses all must provide an address in their application, and the period only lasts from Nov. 18 to Dec. 17.

“You drive through any old downtown and there’s plenty of vacant buildings, but also a park nearby,” McCants said. “We’re looking for a needle in a hay stack.”

A number of current medical marijuana growers said they are hoping to get into the recreational market because they believe its availability will eventually kill the medical market.

“Medical is a dying breed,” said Cooper, who is also a medical marijuana grower. “It makes sense to get ahead of this.”

A number of cities and counties, including Yakima, have a moratorium on recreational marijuana. That doesn’t stop the Liquor Control Board from awarding licenses to growers, processors and retailers in those areas, but it does keep them from opening shop until the measure is lifted.

Hopeful growers and processors, such as attendee Eric Cooper, 56, said local governments will eventually make way for the new businesses.

“I don’t think any of these smaller cities want the litigation,” Cooper said. “I think they just want to understand it.


http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/yhr/sunday/1589219-8/state-pot-forum-addresses-lingering-questions
 

ydijadoit

Active member
Jesus, these idiots are not even concerned with hiding their motivations anymore. Losing "Tax revenue" from "Competing medical marijuana"?
Fuck you.
I like the guy's comment on Viagra, though. Right on.

SEATTLE (AP) — As the proprietor of a medical marijuana dispensary in Seattle, Dawn Darington has seen patients wracked by AIDS and cancer. She's also seen "patients" who show up for a free pot brownie and never come back.

Now, Washington is pushing forward with plans to entice the latter into its new world of legal, taxed recreational pot, and advocates like Darington say they're worried about where that's going to leave those who actually need cannabis.

A state work group on Monday is due to release its recommendations for how to regulate Washington's freewheeling medical marijuana industry — recommendations that could include reductions in how much pot patients can have, an end to the collective gardens that have supplied the sick and the not-so-sick for the past 15 years, stricter requirements for obtaining medical marijuana authorizations and taxes on medical pot.

"I'm terrified a bunch of that, if not all of it, is going to be lost — that the recreational users have thrown us under the bus," said Darington, of Choice Wellness Center. "When they put a tax on the sale of Viagra is the day I am willing to sit at the table and discuss putting a tax on this medicine."

Voters in Washington and Colorado last fall legalized marijuana for recreational use, and the states are preparing to allow its sale at licensed stores. In Colorado, medical marijuana is already regulated and subject to sales tax, with 109,000 registered patients, and it isn't clear to what extent it might undermine the recreational market.

But in Washington, lawmakers and state officials are concerned that licensed pot stores won't be able to compete with medical dispensaries selling unregulated, untaxed marijuana — thus cutting into the amount of tax revenue Washington makes from the sale of recreational pot.

Furthermore, the U.S. Justice Department has made clear that it while it will allow states to develop tight regulations for marijuana — regulations that address key federal law enforcement priorities, such as keeping legal pot away from kids and off the black market — it won't tolerate unregulated pot growing or sales. After the DOJ announced in August that it wouldn't sue Washington or Colorado to block their licensing plans, the Seattle and Spokane U.S. attorneys called Washington's medical marijuana system untenable, a clear warning that things needed to change.

Washington approved the medical use of marijuana in 1998, two years after California became the first state to do so. Twenty states and the District of Columbia now allow pot as medicine, and Washington's system is among the most lax, with no registration requirements for patients or oversight of the pot gardens and dispensaries that serve them.

State lawmakers this year directed the Liquor Control Board, Department of Health and Department of Revenue to form a work group and come up with recommendations for how medical and recreational marijuana might coexist. Documents prepared by the group and released to advocates under public records requests show that the officials have been considering ideas that include getting rid of medical marijuana entirely, thus forcing patients to buy taxed pot at licensed stores; requiring a higher burden of proof that a patient suffers from a qualifying ailment, as well as greater follow-up care by the medical professional who authorizes the pot use; and requiring that minors have parental permission before being authorized to use medical marijuana.

Alison Holcomb, the American Civil Liberties Union of Washington lawyer who drafted the recreational marijuana law, said she expects the work group to recommend that any business wishing to conduct commercial marijuana transactions be required to obtain a license under Initiative 502, the recreational pot law.

That might effectively close most Washington medical marijuana dispensaries, which have proliferated even though they're not technically allowed under state law. The state Liquor Control Board, which is overseeing the implementation of I-502, has said it will issue 334 licenses for retail pot stores around the state, with 21 of them in Seattle — a city that has an estimated 200 medical marijuana dispensaries.

Holcomb also said she expects the work group to suggest that patients continue to be allowed to grow their own marijuana or designate someone else to do it for them. One big question, she said, is whether the recommendations will call for the end of collective gardens, where dispensaries serving hundreds or thousands of patients have grown a lot of pot, some of which has ended up on the black market.

Another question is whether the state might create a system that exempts patients from paying taxes, or at least requires them to pay lower taxes, at recreational marijuana stores. Such a system might require a patient registry — an idea that some medical marijuana advocates have warmed up to, after opposing it for years on the grounds that it would violate patient privacy and force them to admit to violations of federal law.

Ultimately, how to handle medical marijuana will fall to the Legislature, where two bills are already pending that would tax and regulate medical marijuana to varying degrees.

Ezra Eickmeyer, a lobbyist with the Washington Cannabis Association, said his group is supporting at least some of the legislative efforts and looking forward to seeing the work group's recommendations.

"Nobody who is reasonable or credible will deny there is fraud taking place in the medical marijuana system as it exists now," he said.
 

BigSteve

Active member
They need to recognize that I need marijuana medically. Then insurance companies need to cover the cost.

EZ TY GG
 

yortbogey

To Have More ... Desire Less
Veteran
State turns focus to medical pot....

State turns focus to medical pot....

SEATTLE — As the proprietor of a medical marijuana dispensary in Seattle, Dawn Darington has seen patients wracked by AIDS and cancer. She’s also seen “patients” who show up for a free pot brownie and never come back.

Now, Washington is pushing forward with plans to entice the latter into its new world of legal, taxed recreational pot, and advocates like Darington say they’re worried about where that’s going to leave those who actually need cannabis.

Today, a state work group is due to release its recommendations for how to regulate Washington’s freewheeling medical marijuana industry — recommendations that could include reductions in how much pot patients can have, an end to the collective gardens that have supplied the sick and the not-so-sick, stricter requirements for obtaining medical marijuana authorizations, and taxes on medical pot.

“I’m terrified a bunch of that, if not all of it, is going to be lost — that the recreational users have thrown us under the bus,” said Darington, of Choice Wellness Center. “When they put a tax on the sale of Viagra is the day I am willing to sit at the table and discuss putting a tax on this medicine.”

Voters in Washington and Colorado last fall legalized marijuana for recreational use, and the states are preparing to allow its sale at licensed stores. In Colorado, medical marijuana is already regulated and subject to sales tax, with 109,000 registered patients, and it isn’t clear to what extent it might undermine the recreational market.

But in Washington, lawmakers and state officials are concerned that licensed pot stores won’t be able to compete with medical dispensaries selling unregulated, untaxed marijuana — thus cutting into the amount of tax revenue Washington makes from the sale of recreational pot.

Furthermore, the U.S. Justice Department has made clear that while it will allow states to develop tight regulations for marijuana — regulations that address key federal law enforcement priorities, such as keeping legal pot away from kids and off the black market — it won’t tolerate unregulated pot growing or sales. After the DOJ announced in August that it wouldn’t sue Washington or Colorado to block their licensing plans, the Seattle and Spokane U.S. attorneys called Washington’s medical marijuana system untenable, a clear warning that things needed to change.

Washington approved the medical use of marijuana in 1998, two years after California became the first state to do so. Twenty states and the District of Columbia now allow pot as medicine, and Washington’s system is among the most lax, with no registration requirements for patients or oversight of the pot gardens and dispensaries that serve them.

State lawmakers this year directed the Liquor Control Board, Department of Health and Department of Revenue to form a work group and come up with recommendations for how medical and recreational marijuana might coexist. Documents prepared by the group and released to advocates under public records requests show that the officials have been considering ideas that include getting rid of medical marijuana entirely, thus forcing patients to buy taxed pot at licensed stores; requiring a higher burden of proof that a patient suffers from a qualifying ailment, as well as greater follow-up care by the medical professional who authorizes the pot use; and requiring that minors have parental permission before being authorized to use medical marijuana.

Alison Holcomb, the American Civil Liberties Union of Washington lawyer who drafted the recreational marijuana law, said she expects the work group to recommend that any business wishing to conduct commercial marijuana transactions be required to obtain a license under Initiative 502, the recreational pot law.

That might effectively close most Washington medical marijuana dispensaries, which have proliferated even though they’re not technically allowed under state law. The state Liquor Control Board, which is overseeing the implementation of I-502, has said it will issue 334 licenses for retail pot stores around the state, with 21 of them in Seattle — a city that has an estimated 200 medical marijuana dispensaries.

Holcomb also said she expects the work group to suggest that patients continue to be allowed to grow their own marijuana or designate someone else to do it for them. One big question, she said, is whether the recommendations will call for the end of collective gardens, where dispensaries serving hundreds or thousands of patients have grown a lot of pot, some of which has ended up on the black market.

Another question is whether the state might create a system that exempts patients from paying taxes, or at least requires them to pay lower taxes, at recreational marijuana stores. Such a system might require a patient registry — an idea that some medical marijuana advocates have warmed up to, after opposing it for years on the grounds that it would violate patient privacy and force them to admit to violations of federal law.

Ultimately, how to handle medical marijuana will fall to the Legislature, where two bills are already pending that would tax and regulate medical marijuana to varying degrees.

Ezra Eickmeyer, a lobbyist with the Washington Cannabis Association, said his group is supporting at least some of the legislative efforts and looking forward to seeing the work group’s recommendations.

“Nobody who is reasonable or credible will deny there is fraud taking place in the medical marijuana system as it exists now,” he said.



http://www.yakimaherald.com/home/1597356-8/state-turns-focus-to-medical-pot



THE MEDICAL community WILL FIGHT....
we where hear first, and need the most....
the state needs to get over trying to make money off EVERYONE...
and just focus on the recreational aspect....
 

yortbogey

To Have More ... Desire Less
Veteran
yeah .... WA hasn't even managed to open a single store yet proving there system will work, and can meet the need of the masses.... let alone provide for the medical community that has long since been in place.....

the state need to focus on one thing at a time.... medical dos'nt need there attention...
they need to provide a viable system that can support the state and keep the FEDS happy....

and at the rate there going that will take years.... to work out the kinks ... let alone be successful, and profitable...

if not careful they will fuck the whole thing up.....the world is watching

get U'r shit straight....
 

Easy7

Active member
Veteran
There going to have so much money, everyone involved. They will blow a lot of money at the start, just like they do with the lotteries. Have they even said what the tax money will go towards? Going towards building new prisons for those that grow their own?

I think nothing should be taxed within normal usage. Say 30 gallons a month of gas untaxed but more untaxed if you must go out of town for work, medical or other necessary requirment. Same with items purchased, to much of what is needed is taxed. I shouldn't have to pay tax on clothes that I require or drugs.
 

vapedg13

Member
Veteran
medical marijuana is on its way out in Washington state thanks to recreational legalization

One of 2 things will happen.... total regulation and taxation of MMJ or the MMJ patients will have to buy in the public stores

From komo 4 news 10/20/12

SEATTLE (AP) — As the proprietor of a medical marijuana dispensary in Seattle, Dawn Darington has seen patients wracked by AIDS and cancer. She's also seen "patients" who show up for a free pot brownie and never come back.

Now, Washington is pushing forward with plans to entice the latter into its new world of legal, taxed recreational pot, and advocates like Darington say they're worried about where that's going to leave those who actually need cannabis.

A state work group on Monday is due to release its recommendations for how to regulate Washington's freewheeling medical marijuana industry — recommendations that could include reductions in how much pot patients can have, an end to the collective gardens that have supplied the sick and the not-so-sick for the past 15 years, stricter requirements for obtaining medical marijuana authorizations and taxes on medical pot.

"I'm terrified a bunch of that, if not all of it, is going to be lost — that the recreational users have thrown us under the bus," said Darington, of Choice Wellness Center. "When they put a tax on the sale of Viagra is the day I am willing to sit at the table and discuss putting a tax on this medicine."

Voters in Washington and Colorado last fall legalized marijuana for recreational use, and the states are preparing to allow its sale at licensed stores. In Colorado, medical marijuana is already regulated and subject to sales tax, with 109,000 registered patients, and it isn't clear to what extent it might undermine the recreational market.

But in Washington, lawmakers and state officials are concerned that licensed pot stores won't be able to compete with medical dispensaries selling unregulated, untaxed marijuana — thus cutting into the amount of tax revenue Washington makes from the sale of recreational pot.

Furthermore, the U.S. Justice Department has made clear that it while it will allow states to develop tight regulations for marijuana — regulations that address key federal law enforcement priorities, such as keeping legal pot away from kids and off the black market — it won't tolerate unregulated pot growing or sales. After the DOJ announced in August that it wouldn't sue Washington or Colorado to block their licensing plans, the Seattle and Spokane U.S. attorneys called Washington's medical marijuana system untenable, a clear warning that things needed to change.

Washington approved the medical use of marijuana in 1998, two years after California became the first state to do so. Twenty states and the District of Columbia now allow pot as medicine, and Washington's system is among the most lax, with no registration requirements for patients or oversight of the pot gardens and dispensaries that serve them.

State lawmakers this year directed the Liquor Control Board, Department of Health and Department of Revenue to form a work group and come up with recommendations for how medical and recreational marijuana might coexist. Documents prepared by the group and released to advocates under public records requests show that the officials have been considering ideas that include getting rid of medical marijuana entirely, thus forcing patients to buy taxed pot at licensed stores; requiring a higher burden of proof that a patient suffers from a qualifying ailment, as well as greater follow-up care by the medical professional who authorizes the pot use; and requiring that minors have parental permission before being authorized to use medical marijuana.

Alison Holcomb, the American Civil Liberties Union of Washington lawyer who drafted the recreational marijuana law, said she expects the work group to recommend that any business wishing to conduct commercial marijuana transactions be required to obtain a license under Initiative 502, the recreational pot law.

That might effectively close most Washington medical marijuana dispensaries, which have proliferated even though they're not technically allowed under state law. The state Liquor Control Board, which is overseeing the implementation of I-502, has said it will issue 334 licenses for retail pot stores around the state, with 21 of them in Seattle — a city that has an estimated 200 medical marijuana dispensaries.

Holcomb also said she expects the work group to suggest that patients continue to be allowed to grow their own marijuana or designate someone else to do it for them. One big question, she said, is whether the recommendations will call for the end of collective gardens, where dispensaries serving hundreds or thousands of patients have grown a lot of pot, some of which has ended up on the black market.

Another question is whether the state might create a system that exempts patients from paying taxes, or at least requires them to pay lower taxes, at recreational marijuana stores. Such a system might require a patient registry — an idea that some medical marijuana advocates have warmed up to, after opposing it for years on the grounds that it would violate patient privacy and force them to admit to violations of federal law.

Ultimately, how to handle medical marijuana will fall to the Legislature, where two bills are already pending that would tax and regulate medical marijuana to varying degrees.

Ezra Eickmeyer, a lobbyist with the Washington Cannabis Association, said his group is supporting at least some of the legislative efforts and looking forward to seeing the work group's recommendations.

"Nobody who is reasonable or credible will deny there is fraud taking place in the medical marijuana system as it exists now," he said.
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Hydrosun

I love my life
Veteran
There going to have so much money, everyone involved. They will blow a lot of money at the start, just like they do with the lotteries. Have they even said what the tax money will go towards? Going towards building new prisons for those that grow their own?

I think nothing should be taxed within normal usage. Say 30 gallons a month of gas untaxed but more untaxed if you must go out of town for work, medical or other necessary requirment. Same with items purchased, to much of what is needed is taxed. I shouldn't have to pay tax on clothes that I require or drugs.


We have to pay for the roads somehow, buy a gallon of gas then some % should be set aside for road construction and maintenance.

God only knows that the people who administer the construction contracts are crooked as can be. That however is nothing new.

Pay as you go. Pay your own way. Support your family. AND keep the government out of your life.

:joint:
 

vapedg13

Member
Veteran
The New mmj recommendations came out today people need to be aware.....

No collective gardens........ 26 ounces down to 3 ounces.......
NO homegrows for patients or providers.......taxed the same as recreational



 

yortbogey

To Have More ... Desire Less
Veteran
the fucks only allowed a 2wk period for written comments from the public....

this shit is going to blow up in the states face....
 
This sucks. household medical use here is 6oz a month and I can't afford that at current dispensary prices. Killing the home grow is going to fuck a lot of poor patients who can only afford the amounts they need at the 20$ an oz price that growing at home allows.

I really hope somebody is putting together a class action suit.
 

vapedg13

Member
Veteran
now if Washington State made it so it was only a $1 a gram.... like the government did in Uruguay...they even allow home grows


Government marijuana to sell for $1 per gram in Uruguay


By William Breathes in News, Stoned Sports

Monday, October 21, 2013 at 3:20 pm



Legalized cannabis could sell for as low as $1 a gram in Uruguay when the country legalizes the cultivation, sales and use of cannabis later this year as expected.

Uruguay's drug czar Julio Calzada announced the predicted low-prices for government cannabis stores earlier this week, dropping it by more than half from earlier predictions.

According to the Associated Press, Calzada also said legalized sales should start sometime in the second half of 2014. Cannabis will only be sold to adult Uruguayans and will not be available to tourists to purchase. Calzada says that the low prices probably won't pull much of a profit - but that is the plan. By devaluing cannabis, Calzada says it takes power away from drug cartels.

In addition to the government-run cannabis stores, Uruguayans would be allowed to grow up to six plants at home or as part of a cooperative with friends. Purchases from storefronts are limited to 40 grams per month.

As we told you back in August, the bill has already been approved by the Uruguayan congress and is expected to gain approval in the Senate later this year.
 

Easy7

Active member
Veteran
Seems they don't mind having people in prison. Yet they aren't giving many options. I wouldn't want to buy the herb very often. Why invest money in smoke? Rather buy gear and genetics, for endless smoke. The social risks of people having a legal herb trade are not much. Seems a lot more risky to have tuff regulations, it creates a lot of hostility and the world don't need hostility.
 
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