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Competition GROW CONTEST WINNER: Tonatiuhs 8K Dreamquest
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ok now for the damage....
starts as some off colored yellow spotting then turns all yellow,then to a dead leaf.ive treated for pests,ph is on point,theyve gotten cal/mag treatment...
you can see the spotting in the bottom leaf,im totally stumped.
as u can see most of the plants look decen but then ive got a few tht lok like this,and id hate for them all to start w these symptoms before i can get it under control...all the help and advice u guys can give would be appreciated..
see the leaf damage?...
hope someone out here can diagnose this for me,ive tried and tried but im still stumped.
thanks in advance,
peace-T-
starts as some off colored yellow spotting then turns all yellow,then to a dead leaf.ive treated for pests,ph is on point,theyve gotten cal/mag treatment...
you can see the spotting in the bottom leaf,im totally stumped.
as u can see most of the plants look decen but then ive got a few tht lok like this,and id hate for them all to start w these symptoms before i can get it under control...all the help and advice u guys can give would be appreciated..
see the leaf damage?...
hope someone out here can diagnose this for me,ive tried and tried but im still stumped.
thanks in advance,
peace-T-
Check the media's ph via slurry method. If that's on point, my next guess would be root aphids. Get a 20x plus loupe and examine the surface of your media VERY carefully (right after watering is the best time as it forces them to the surface). RA can be hard to spot, they are small, black, and closely resemble fungus gnats. There are several threads here on the mag that go into greater detail about identifying and treating them. If you have these, be prepared for a serious battle, or complete shut down and restart. Super mites seem like a minor inconvenience compared to these bastards. I battled them and won, so if you need any tips let me know.
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mugenbao
Freaking *HATE* root aphids! I hope it turns out to be something that's dealt with easily. Best wishes 
InjectTruth
Active member
Hell yeah, T! Crazy seein so few plants fill up 8 lights like that. Are those 7 gal containers or 10? Lovin it.
I can't speak on root aphids, but when Im doing my organic water only mixes, if I dont cook em enough, let em get too dry, or keep em sopping wet too long, I get similar spots/burn. I know you mix in a handful or two of worm castings at transplant, and I think ocean forest may have changed its recipe/ingredients lately. Perhaps you are getting some 'composting' in your containers? Doesnt seem likely but the way to check is to just grab the sides of the pot, or put a finger down into the soil. If its cooking, you'll feel it.
I can't speak on root aphids, but when Im doing my organic water only mixes, if I dont cook em enough, let em get too dry, or keep em sopping wet too long, I get similar spots/burn. I know you mix in a handful or two of worm castings at transplant, and I think ocean forest may have changed its recipe/ingredients lately. Perhaps you are getting some 'composting' in your containers? Doesnt seem likely but the way to check is to just grab the sides of the pot, or put a finger down into the soil. If its cooking, you'll feel it.
hey T its the aphids if you got any flyers you think are gnats. I battled those fuckers to the death before, get em in check now with the bayer tree and shrub. the bastards are a plague, it would be a miracle if ya never had em before. grow looks great brah how many years ya been killin it now???
thanks fellaz...after all ur posts and some extensive reading last night im convinced it IS root aphids.after reading the root aphid thread(,great thread btw tons of info)...i know thats what i have,when i was reading them dudes problems it was like they were talking about my grow,i couldnt have typed it any better.same symptoms same everything,down to the time it starts happpening,right aftwr they get flipped to flower.
so today i will be ordering some nematodes.
i will use an imid product along with an azamax drench in veg,and in flower ill use the nematodes and a azamax drench...as from all i read and from experienced people in chat i think this is the best fastes plan of attack.
im gonna be scraping all my moms and start new ones in the ez cloner so no soil for them to go to,i just hope i dont have to scrap all the 1 gallon pots because that could set me back a few months and i cant be having that.too many people depend on me.
anyone know a good root stimulator i can use in flower?because from all i read i know my roots are getting eaten by these little bastards,so if i cant get the root system back healthy as well as my foliage my big beautiful girls will not be able to eat/drink like they need to,to get the best they can get.
D spot on bro,root aphids it is.thanks for the diagnosis...i was reading for about 5 hours last night in that RA thread.
peace-T-
mugandao-i wish it was too bro but unfortunately it is what it is.rollin up the sleaves and heading to war...
peace-T-
inject-ty bro,i just hope i can keep them happy enough to stay filling out the 8k like that.
sucks to say but i have to see it for what it is.after thinking cal/mag....and then ph....its got to be them,going to buy a 20x scope today but its gonna a waste of time and money because,i already KNOW they are there.
peace-T-
ponocrooked-ty bro for the kind words....ya im gettin the bayer or the merit 45,whatever they have in stock w some imid in it...how long did it take u to get them in check?do u think i have a good shot at saving the tk that are in flower?
i been at this for just a litle while,started in 2004....still learning,still reading,still having trials and tribulations....shit i thought i was done feeling like a rookie but i guess this hobby had other plans...shit had me so mad i almost just said fuggit and took the whole grow down,too many people depend on me for me to be that selfish tho....plus id probably go crazy if im not growing,this is what i do.
peace-T-
so today i will be ordering some nematodes.
i will use an imid product along with an azamax drench in veg,and in flower ill use the nematodes and a azamax drench...as from all i read and from experienced people in chat i think this is the best fastes plan of attack.
im gonna be scraping all my moms and start new ones in the ez cloner so no soil for them to go to,i just hope i dont have to scrap all the 1 gallon pots because that could set me back a few months and i cant be having that.too many people depend on me.
anyone know a good root stimulator i can use in flower?because from all i read i know my roots are getting eaten by these little bastards,so if i cant get the root system back healthy as well as my foliage my big beautiful girls will not be able to eat/drink like they need to,to get the best they can get.
D spot on bro,root aphids it is.thanks for the diagnosis...i was reading for about 5 hours last night in that RA thread.
peace-T-
mugandao-i wish it was too bro but unfortunately it is what it is.rollin up the sleaves and heading to war...
peace-T-
inject-ty bro,i just hope i can keep them happy enough to stay filling out the 8k like that.
sucks to say but i have to see it for what it is.after thinking cal/mag....and then ph....its got to be them,going to buy a 20x scope today but its gonna a waste of time and money because,i already KNOW they are there.
peace-T-
ponocrooked-ty bro for the kind words....ya im gettin the bayer or the merit 45,whatever they have in stock w some imid in it...how long did it take u to get them in check?do u think i have a good shot at saving the tk that are in flower?
i been at this for just a litle while,started in 2004....still learning,still reading,still having trials and tribulations....shit i thought i was done feeling like a rookie but i guess this hobby had other plans...shit had me so mad i almost just said fuggit and took the whole grow down,too many people depend on me for me to be that selfish tho....plus id probably go crazy if im not growing,this is what i do.
peace-T-
InjectTruth
Active member
sucks about the root aphids homie, but at least you got it figured out and can start to implement a plan. On top of what you already have in the works, I highly highly recommend adding neem seed meal/neem cake and/or diatomaceous earth to your medium, at least for a while. The neem seed meal has way more amazing insecticidal chems other than azadiractin, and its a nutrient to boot. The systemic nature of it makes it extremely useful. In this case, its position in the medium helps even more.
The diatomaceous earth is composed of tons of diatom exoskeletons. Diatoms are prehistoric single cell organisms that have an exoskeleton composed of silica. The jagged microscopic edges fuck up soft body bugs as they walk over it/past it. Also, the silica trigges the SAR (systemic acquired response) effect in the plant, causing it to thicken cell walls, take up more water and nutes, and essentially prepare for 'attack' even when there is none.
Also, essential oils from herbs like lavendar, thyme, oregano, cinnamon, etc are really crazy effective on different bugs. Kinda crazy how well lavender works on spider mites, etc.
Good luck with those bug fuckers, homie. They dont stand a chance!
The diatomaceous earth is composed of tons of diatom exoskeletons. Diatoms are prehistoric single cell organisms that have an exoskeleton composed of silica. The jagged microscopic edges fuck up soft body bugs as they walk over it/past it. Also, the silica trigges the SAR (systemic acquired response) effect in the plant, causing it to thicken cell walls, take up more water and nutes, and essentially prepare for 'attack' even when there is none.
Also, essential oils from herbs like lavendar, thyme, oregano, cinnamon, etc are really crazy effective on different bugs. Kinda crazy how well lavender works on spider mites, etc.
Good luck with those bug fuckers, homie. They dont stand a chance!
InjectTruth
Active member
Oh as far as the root tonic, I've used voodoo juice to great effect, but its pricey. Enzymes work wonders BUT they also speed up bug populations so stay away from them right now.
Id go the mycorrhizal/bacteria route personally, as things like BTI will not only improve root growth, they will also fight the bug fucks. BTI is the go to for fungas gnats.
Lemme pull a link for homemade 'EM-1' (essentially homemade voodoo juice) right quick. www.thenook.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=79970
Ive heard amazing things about that H&G super expensive Roots Excelurator, but Idk if its hormones or what.
Id go the mycorrhizal/bacteria route personally, as things like BTI will not only improve root growth, they will also fight the bug fucks. BTI is the go to for fungas gnats.
Lemme pull a link for homemade 'EM-1' (essentially homemade voodoo juice) right quick. www.thenook.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=79970
Ive heard amazing things about that H&G super expensive Roots Excelurator, but Idk if its hormones or what.
wattup everyone,thanks for the good vibes and all that good info.
got the garden under control im pretty sure.
i did all kinds of lil tweekin and ph'ing,treating for bugs idk if i even had.
all the tk seem to be back in full steam ahead mode.
everything in veg is still fine,and thriving like crazy.
all moms have been recloned and look good still except the tk mom and the uk cheese mom,i have cuts of them going and have the tk backed up.
gonna need to x plant something in veg and get it flipped soon,think a dozen or so bears since they stretch the most and i have about that many that are really taking off.
aneeeeway,here go some pics,these pics are from day 30 12/12 taken on the 20th...
just now gettin them posted,they look even better now,ill get more recent pics in a day or so when u can really see the difference.
1st up one of the cloners....not pictured here are the newer stuff,angel og,#4,and p1...also my sour strawberry is too small to take cuts from...and the uk cheese is in the other cloner
into flower...
theyre starting to stack and fill out real nice,the older leafs are still damaged but newer growth is all good and staying that way.this pic hps glow makes them look worse then the even are
again,the glow makes them look worse then they are,theyre actually gettin real nice and u can see how full they are for the most part.
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got the garden under control im pretty sure.
i did all kinds of lil tweekin and ph'ing,treating for bugs idk if i even had.
all the tk seem to be back in full steam ahead mode.
everything in veg is still fine,and thriving like crazy.
all moms have been recloned and look good still except the tk mom and the uk cheese mom,i have cuts of them going and have the tk backed up.
gonna need to x plant something in veg and get it flipped soon,think a dozen or so bears since they stretch the most and i have about that many that are really taking off.
aneeeeway,here go some pics,these pics are from day 30 12/12 taken on the 20th...
just now gettin them posted,they look even better now,ill get more recent pics in a day or so when u can really see the difference.
1st up one of the cloners....not pictured here are the newer stuff,angel og,#4,and p1...also my sour strawberry is too small to take cuts from...and the uk cheese is in the other cloner
into flower...
theyre starting to stack and fill out real nice,the older leafs are still damaged but newer growth is all good and staying that way.this pic hps glow makes them look worse then the even are
again,the glow makes them look worse then they are,theyre actually gettin real nice and u can see how full they are for the most part.
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oh btw,i dont even think i ever had root aphids fellaz.after buying the scope i didnt see anything but springtails.i saw no flyers after treating the rooms...i seen no tanks dead or alive.i treated for them like 4 different ways so i guess ill see soon enough....fingers crossed and wish me good vibes...
i think i was really stoned went into the grow and overfed it like crazy,then i panicked myself into thinkin it was worse then it was.seems after i drenched them and gave only water for a while they snapped right back,ive been feeding 1/2 dose twice but now theyre about ready to go back on schedule,i think their big asses are beggin for the full dose by now....just goes to show,no matter how long u been gettin solid runs u still might fuck it up sometimes lol...now i just hope im right and it was all grower error...
peace-T-
i think i was really stoned went into the grow and overfed it like crazy,then i panicked myself into thinkin it was worse then it was.seems after i drenched them and gave only water for a while they snapped right back,ive been feeding 1/2 dose twice but now theyre about ready to go back on schedule,i think their big asses are beggin for the full dose by now....just goes to show,no matter how long u been gettin solid runs u still might fuck it up sometimes lol...now i just hope im right and it was all grower error...
peace-T-
you did the right thing player glad ur back on track!
thanks pono...
wow looks like a ghost town in here,guess this joint needs some time to liven back up again...soon ill have some nice colas to show but for now,just some 1/2 way there shots,things are snappin back...still some older deader lookin leafs but if they have some green on the to wrk for my girls i aint pluckin them yet...im about a little ove 1/2 way point....day 36 of 65...hps still killed a few shots but ill get in there before lights on and try to get some better room shots for u guys,,,,
veg...
already keep them cleaned up and gettin the toppin n croppin going...
tk day 36
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wow looks like a ghost town in here,guess this joint needs some time to liven back up again...soon ill have some nice colas to show but for now,just some 1/2 way there shots,things are snappin back...still some older deader lookin leafs but if they have some green on the to wrk for my girls i aint pluckin them yet...im about a little ove 1/2 way point....day 36 of 65...hps still killed a few shots but ill get in there before lights on and try to get some better room shots for u guys,,,,
veg...
already keep them cleaned up and gettin the toppin n croppin going...
tk day 36
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i cant get a decent pic of this big beautiful chik for nothin yo,shes right in the corner takin up damn near a whole 1 k all herself,if id let her she would hog the whole hood on her own.the hps is too hard to get but im def gonna get a lights off shot of her for you guys...
an undrcanopy shot so u can see the structure of them,its kind of hard to tell from the regular shots because she has them big wide leafs,but she most def is not all leaf,she stacks and she gives penty rock hard solid sticky stinky buds
peace -T-
peace -T-
InjectTruth
Active member
Few things make me wanna get to it like a Tona full canopy shot!
