Not sure if you guys saw this. It's a disturbing situation, especially when you read the comments at the end of the article and see what happened to these marijuana growers.
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Warning new off gassing product!!!!
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Not sure if you guys saw this. It's a disturbing situation, especially when you read the comments at the end of the article and see what happened to these marijuana growers.
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GOOROO
"Related to this, the incidents giving rise to this case transpired in the latter half of 2009 when it was the policy of the Department of Justice to not pursue marijuana collectives operating in compliance with California law—and BT Collective has since dissolved. Even in light of a recent, apparent shift in policy suggesting that California law-abiding marijuana collectives are no longer safe from federal prosecution,3 the Court suspects the prosecution of BT Collective’s principals is a remote possibility. So, even assuming the threat of criminal
prosecution supports sealing, which it does not, the Court would still find that BT Collective has failed to offer a compelling reason for sealing the motion to dismiss."
"The factual issuein this case—whether irrigation tubing sold by Sunlight Supply leached chemicals that killed BT Collective’s marijuana plants—is not a particularly interesting or essential one, and certainly not critical to the public’s understanding of the judicial process. The issue raised by Sunlight Supply’s motion to dismiss, however, is of statewide if not national interest. The manner in which California’s decriminalization of medical marijuana collides with federal criminal law, and the ability of medical marijuana dispensaries to seek legal relief in the federal courts, are matters of great public interest, and far more critical than an ordinary product liability lawsuit to the “public’s understanding of the judicial process and of significant public events.”
"Indeed, the protective orders were entered before the BT Collective principals even sat for deposition—before it was certain what the scope of their testimony would be, and before it was certain how or to what extent they would incriminate themselves under the Controlled Substances Act. They are not the kind of protective orders, then, that can automatically supply the good cause required to seal the documents they cover."
"Court has already articulated its skepticism about the risk BT Collective would run by litigating this case publicly. It dissolved after its claims against Sunlight Supply arose, and it was in operation during a time when the Department of Justice had little interest in pursuing marijuana collectives in compliance with California"
"Collective has also conceded that Sunlight Supply is not trying to bully it out of this lawsuit by threatening criminal exposure. Indeed, Sunlight Supply was initially amenable to the protective orders entered by Judge Gallo as well as the sealing now being sought. Finally,there is a clear distinction in the Court’s judgment between, on the one hand, the public’s interest in a discrimination-free workplace and the robust, private enforcement of Title VII, and, on the other hand, the public’s interest in a criminal enterprise seeking legal redress in court for a faulty product that impeded the enterprise."
Either way sounds like they lost and ended up busted by feds....
http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/california/casdce/3:2011cv00021/341521/44
prosecution supports sealing, which it does not, the Court would still find that BT Collective has failed to offer a compelling reason for sealing the motion to dismiss."
"The factual issuein this case—whether irrigation tubing sold by Sunlight Supply leached chemicals that killed BT Collective’s marijuana plants—is not a particularly interesting or essential one, and certainly not critical to the public’s understanding of the judicial process. The issue raised by Sunlight Supply’s motion to dismiss, however, is of statewide if not national interest. The manner in which California’s decriminalization of medical marijuana collides with federal criminal law, and the ability of medical marijuana dispensaries to seek legal relief in the federal courts, are matters of great public interest, and far more critical than an ordinary product liability lawsuit to the “public’s understanding of the judicial process and of significant public events.”
"Indeed, the protective orders were entered before the BT Collective principals even sat for deposition—before it was certain what the scope of their testimony would be, and before it was certain how or to what extent they would incriminate themselves under the Controlled Substances Act. They are not the kind of protective orders, then, that can automatically supply the good cause required to seal the documents they cover."
"Court has already articulated its skepticism about the risk BT Collective would run by litigating this case publicly. It dissolved after its claims against Sunlight Supply arose, and it was in operation during a time when the Department of Justice had little interest in pursuing marijuana collectives in compliance with California"
"Collective has also conceded that Sunlight Supply is not trying to bully it out of this lawsuit by threatening criminal exposure. Indeed, Sunlight Supply was initially amenable to the protective orders entered by Judge Gallo as well as the sealing now being sought. Finally,there is a clear distinction in the Court’s judgment between, on the one hand, the public’s interest in a discrimination-free workplace and the robust, private enforcement of Title VII, and, on the other hand, the public’s interest in a criminal enterprise seeking legal redress in court for a faulty product that impeded the enterprise."
Either way sounds like they lost and ended up busted by feds....
http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/california/casdce/3:2011cv00021/341521/44
Thank U.G.U., Buddah (or god if you wish) for this thread!
I'd say the same thing applies to EVERYTHING in your household/yard, workplace or play/vacation spot or ANYTHING you come near or in contact with. Possibly recarpet, repaint, whatever from floor to ceiling. If it's harming the plants, it can well be harming us! One quick way is to look for the #3 plastic symbol and steer clear...
This could be a class action for the ages (yeah right).
I'd say the same thing applies to EVERYTHING in your household/yard, workplace or play/vacation spot or ANYTHING you come near or in contact with. Possibly recarpet, repaint, whatever from floor to ceiling. If it's harming the plants, it can well be harming us! One quick way is to look for the #3 plastic symbol and steer clear...
This could be a class action for the ages (yeah right).
Doing some more research on the stuff. Ahhh, you remember the BASF commercials on tv? From THE IDIOT CYCLE:
"*2003 Greenpeace conducts a series of scientific analysis on rain water and its contamination of chemical substances. Most of the 47 water samples taken throughout The Netherlands, Belgium and Germany contain a series of dangerous phalates (DEHP, DBP, DINP, DIBP et DEP). And these same phalates were found in the dust of 69 homes tested. Studies found these phalates in a number of textiles, cosmetics, toys, perfumes, and electronic products. BASF produces the following phalates: di-(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate (DEHP), di-n-butyl phthalate (DBP), diiso-butyl phthalate (DIBP), di-iso-nonyl phthalate (DINP), di-iso-decyl phthalate (DIDP) and diethyl phthalate (DEP) 4."
IMO, it's not conspiracy - it's mostly greed and maybe several of those other deadly sins thrown in. But I must say covered up just as well as any conspiracy.
"*2003 Greenpeace conducts a series of scientific analysis on rain water and its contamination of chemical substances. Most of the 47 water samples taken throughout The Netherlands, Belgium and Germany contain a series of dangerous phalates (DEHP, DBP, DINP, DIBP et DEP). And these same phalates were found in the dust of 69 homes tested. Studies found these phalates in a number of textiles, cosmetics, toys, perfumes, and electronic products. BASF produces the following phalates: di-(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate (DEHP), di-n-butyl phthalate (DBP), diiso-butyl phthalate (DIBP), di-iso-nonyl phthalate (DINP), di-iso-decyl phthalate (DIDP) and diethyl phthalate (DEP) 4."
IMO, it's not conspiracy - it's mostly greed and maybe several of those other deadly sins thrown in. But I must say covered up just as well as any conspiracy.
Is there any way to tell if you have the new non toxic sunlight supply tubing or the old offgassing product?
I won't buy anything more from them after hearing about this, but I did already get some black vinyl 3/8" tubing, and want to know if it's safe to use. It's solid black, no markings or logos, hydro shop is supplied by sunlight.
I won't buy anything more from them after hearing about this, but I did already get some black vinyl 3/8" tubing, and want to know if it's safe to use. It's solid black, no markings or logos, hydro shop is supplied by sunlight.
eurasian_farmer
Member
Shocking thread!!
& to think how much cheap shit plastic is all around us!!
& to think how much cheap shit plastic is all around us!!
Good day all,
anyone ever have issues with Virtual sun grow tents.
I started getting the off gassing effects.
But I also had three 25 gal plastic reses and all the tubing and plastic parts for three
ebb and flow systems stored in the tent.
I haven't seen anything on vitual sun products,
anybody think in could be all the other plastic and or pvc type products that were stored
in the tent, ( all that stuff was taken out of the tent today).
Thanks in advance for any and all comments.
Stay safe and high.
.....,Hydro......
anyone ever have issues with Virtual sun grow tents.
I started getting the off gassing effects.
But I also had three 25 gal plastic reses and all the tubing and plastic parts for three
ebb and flow systems stored in the tent.
I haven't seen anything on vitual sun products,
anybody think in could be all the other plastic and or pvc type products that were stored
in the tent, ( all that stuff was taken out of the tent today).
Thanks in advance for any and all comments.
Stay safe and high.
.....,Hydro......
Those NGW products are all over the place. I had some 8" net pots with that name but no problems. Guess they got burnt by a scrupulous hose supplier and possibly also mishandled it from there.
sorry bro you lost me
If it was my comment, I was meant to say NGW is the brand that had the off gassing in their tubing. Was trying to point out NGW makes a lot of other products, but just their tubing was called into question so far.
Hydrohut seemed to have off gassing issues 5 years ago. You never know though what might go into some of these tents.
Not sure what might be causing your off gassing symptoms, good luck though.
Oh ok, thanks for the input.
I use soil,and the ebb and flow equipment was just being stored.
So I am hopping it was all that equipment that was causing the off gassing.
as I have found no info on Virtual sun on the off gassing problem.
Stay safe and high.
....Hydro.....
I use soil,and the ebb and flow equipment was just being stored.
So I am hopping it was all that equipment that was causing the off gassing.
as I have found no info on Virtual sun on the off gassing problem.
Stay safe and high.
....Hydro.....
vinman1968
New member
Here is some of there new stuff don't know if it's any better or not but I am experiencing some yellowing that has got me a little worried and it is the first run with this new hose being used in DWC for the air to the stones from the pump.
I have been dealing with these symptoms for half a year. I thought I was going crazy. I spent more money trying to find the problem than one ever should on a personal grow. I always said Cannabis is near-indestructible and nothing, absolutely nothing, one could reasonably do wrong in a grow should cause THAT. I live in a 2nd world country and have seen the very worst indoor grows you can imagine. But they always worked - more or less.
Until I noticed the near-dead victims I threw on the compost recovering. And by "compost" I mean all the ruined soil I dumped from my experiments for finding the culprit and with no sunlight whatsoever. They were almost dead when I threw them away and under these conditions they should by all means just have died quickly.
So yet another Google session brought me to "Bad Room Symdrome", which sounded a bit esoteric, but accurately reflected my feelings.
And that brought me to this thread.
I upgraded my room with environmental controls, which involved a lot of tubing, cables, etc, around the time the problems started. Unfortunately I also switched to different soil and nutes, so these were the obvious suspects. I would have never EVER expected the plastic to be responsible. I cannot thank you enough for this thread!
Until I noticed the near-dead victims I threw on the compost recovering. And by "compost" I mean all the ruined soil I dumped from my experiments for finding the culprit and with no sunlight whatsoever. They were almost dead when I threw them away and under these conditions they should by all means just have died quickly.
So yet another Google session brought me to "Bad Room Symdrome", which sounded a bit esoteric, but accurately reflected my feelings.
And that brought me to this thread.I upgraded my room with environmental controls, which involved a lot of tubing, cables, etc, around the time the problems started. Unfortunately I also switched to different soil and nutes, so these were the obvious suspects. I would have never EVER expected the plastic to be responsible. I cannot thank you enough for this thread!
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CannaBuilding
I think we need this thread to become a sticky, or a thread like this, that will warn users of cheap black flexi tubing and which tubing is safe to buy.
From what i have read, PE tubing is safe, but i still dont trust it, I'd rather go with Food grade silicone tubing which i know is safe for all chemicals.
Here is a thread i started which shows some plants suffering from BPA/Phthalates poisoning, it was a dead give away, as i was using the same nutrient solution to hand water 3 plants while the others recieved the same solution from the same res via a DIY drip system using the affected tubing.
more info here https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=311773
Hope we get some sort of sticky regarding this problem, it will save alot of growers problems.
Peace to all, keep the happy growing going
From what i have read, PE tubing is safe, but i still dont trust it, I'd rather go with Food grade silicone tubing which i know is safe for all chemicals.
Here is a thread i started which shows some plants suffering from BPA/Phthalates poisoning, it was a dead give away, as i was using the same nutrient solution to hand water 3 plants while the others recieved the same solution from the same res via a DIY drip system using the affected tubing.
more info here https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=311773
Hope we get some sort of sticky regarding this problem, it will save alot of growers problems.
Peace to all, keep the happy growing going
Good to see
Good to see
Wow it's always great to see this thread pop up from time to time.
Lost 2 entire crops and almost my house using N.G.K tubing about 5 years ago. They all looked like this from top to bottom. It was devastating. Terrible thing was, not only was I off gassing through the drain and feed tubes, I also had mesh screen at the bottom of each bucket and it also was made from the same material.
The buds on the bottom picture finished-unfinished. Airy, no flavor, smell was off. It takes a while to notice it as the off gassing destruction doesn't really start to appear until flowering starts. Although it's reaking hovac already. All hell breaks loose after that. enough to drive someone mental.
All plants start to do this as soon as flowering starts. This was the second crop that started to go.
And this is what they look like close to finished.
First crop after switching to NGK tubing.
Good to see
Wow it's always great to see this thread pop up from time to time.
Lost 2 entire crops and almost my house using N.G.K tubing about 5 years ago. They all looked like this from top to bottom. It was devastating. Terrible thing was, not only was I off gassing through the drain and feed tubes, I also had mesh screen at the bottom of each bucket and it also was made from the same material.
The buds on the bottom picture finished-unfinished. Airy, no flavor, smell was off. It takes a while to notice it as the off gassing destruction doesn't really start to appear until flowering starts. Although it's reaking hovac already. All hell breaks loose after that. enough to drive someone mental.
All plants start to do this as soon as flowering starts. This was the second crop that started to go.
And this is what they look like close to finished.
First crop after switching to NGK tubing.
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CannaBuilding
Hi Brainsellz
Sorry to hear mate about losing crops, its really sad , was lucky enough to identify the problem 10 days into feeding with teh cheap chinese flexi black tube, As soon as i started hand watering, the wilting subsided, new growth was all perky and the symptoms you show in the pics and my pics stopped.
Offgassing is nasty stuff and is hard to identify, in this thread there are growers who have been growing for years, and then experience this problem after installing a setup, and it really gets growers down. I've been growing for 10 years on and off, and i was sure it couldnt be the nute solution or my environment, luckily i was hand watering before i put the girls under the drip system or i would of maybe lost this crop, or would of never found the problem if i was drip feeding from seed.
Please admins, we need a sticky for this type of problem, cause im sure many have lost entire crops, pulled out ones hair due to this stupid problem.
From now on, im going with Offwhite silicone tubing, which is chemical/uv/heat resistant.
here are some pics when symptoms started, about 3 days on the drip system
here are some plants in the same grow tent, which are not on the drip system, but being watered via the same nute solution, Pics show them to be healthy with no problems
Here are leaves 10 days on the drip system, these symptoms are all over the plant, from the new growth to the old growth.
Peace, Happy growingl
Sorry to hear mate about losing crops, its really sad
, was lucky enough to identify the problem 10 days into feeding with teh cheap chinese flexi black tube, As soon as i started hand watering, the wilting subsided, new growth was all perky and the symptoms you show in the pics and my pics stopped.Offgassing is nasty stuff and is hard to identify, in this thread there are growers who have been growing for years, and then experience this problem after installing a setup, and it really gets growers down. I've been growing for 10 years on and off, and i was sure it couldnt be the nute solution or my environment, luckily i was hand watering before i put the girls under the drip system or i would of maybe lost this crop, or would of never found the problem if i was drip feeding from seed.
Please admins, we need a sticky for this type of problem, cause im sure many have lost entire crops, pulled out ones hair due to this stupid problem.
From now on, im going with Offwhite silicone tubing, which is chemical/uv/heat resistant.
here are some pics when symptoms started, about 3 days on the drip system
here are some plants in the same grow tent, which are not on the drip system, but being watered via the same nute solution, Pics show them to be healthy with no problems
Here are leaves 10 days on the drip system, these symptoms are all over the plant, from the new growth to the old growth.
Peace, Happy growingl
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bigganjabud
Hugs n karma nuggs to you mate i hope all your kgs come fluffy
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CannaBuilding
