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HELP!!! Something has spread through my room in 1 week
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greenspace
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Help needed from my fellow growers,
I noticed the very tops of new growth on a couple plants started looking bad, along with what started to look like thrip damage on some fan leaves.
Well, I had the flu and was knocked out for a couple of days and the problem has just exploded, about 10-15 plants are affected now and it doesn't appear to be slowing down.
I will attach some pics for review, thanks.
I noticed the very tops of new growth on a couple plants started looking bad, along with what started to look like thrip damage on some fan leaves.
Well, I had the flu and was knocked out for a couple of days and the problem has just exploded, about 10-15 plants are affected now and it doesn't appear to be slowing down.
I will attach some pics for review, thanks.
greenspace
Member
I just noticed that you can't really see much in the pics when uploaded so I will take some more with the lights out and a bit closer.
You have broad mites. You have a war on your hands now. You need a 30x to 100x scope to see them.
Go read the Broad Mite sticky thread. You can order Avid, Forbid and Pylon and fight it with chemicals. You can also start heat treating them by getting your room up to 120 degrees for several hours.
Then there is ogbiowar foliar treatment.
Go read the thread. I directed you in the right direction.
Good luck. They can be defeated. But you must follow the methods described in the thread.
Go read the Broad Mite sticky thread. You can order Avid, Forbid and Pylon and fight it with chemicals. You can also start heat treating them by getting your room up to 120 degrees for several hours.
Then there is ogbiowar foliar treatment.
Go read the thread. I directed you in the right direction.
Good luck. They can be defeated. But you must follow the methods described in the thread.
Quoted for truth. Yeah that..what he said. ^^^^^^^
broad mites your in veg your fine... spray with avid. i know people dont like using it but one application and there usually gone.
greenspace
Member
Thanks for the replies. So I guess the consensus is in and I have started to look at my options to treat BM. Leaning towards the Avid/Forbid/Pylon route but will need to read more to make an informed decision, such as whether Kontos would be worth the $$$.
Here are a few more pics under better light:
Here are a few more pics under better light:
Growers on the internet are so quick to reach for dangerous chemicals to treat mites on their plants. These chemicals are not meant for food crops so please don't take this situation as a light one. You cannot flush these chemicals out of the plant with anything.
The warning label for Avid is located here:
http://www.syngentaprofessionalproducts.com/pdf/labels/SCP896AL6A0904.pdf
It clearly states: "For control of leafminers and mites and suppression of aphids, whiteflies, and thrips on ornamental plants."
Here is the warning label for Forbid:
http://www.guysinpurple.com/documents/label_forbid.pdf
It also clearly states:
"Ornamental Insecticide/Miticide"
I'm not sure about the Pylon so you should research that. If you are comfortable smoking those harmful chemicals then that is your right but if the buds from these plants are going to be giving to other people, you should let them know that it was treated with dangerous pesticides so they can also make the decision to smoke or not. Some of the people in this thread is actually surprising to me that they use these types of chemicals. Now I remember why I only smoke my own flowers now.
The warning label for Avid is located here:
http://www.syngentaprofessionalproducts.com/pdf/labels/SCP896AL6A0904.pdf
It clearly states: "For control of leafminers and mites and suppression of aphids, whiteflies, and thrips on ornamental plants."
Here is the warning label for Forbid:
http://www.guysinpurple.com/documents/label_forbid.pdf
It also clearly states:
"Ornamental Insecticide/Miticide"
I'm not sure about the Pylon so you should research that. If you are comfortable smoking those harmful chemicals then that is your right but if the buds from these plants are going to be giving to other people, you should let them know that it was treated with dangerous pesticides so they can also make the decision to smoke or not. Some of the people in this thread is actually surprising to me that they use these types of chemicals. Now I remember why I only smoke my own flowers now.
Those chems are ONLY to be used in veg.
Heat treatment can be used any time, as can OGBiowar. Personally, I wouldn't use the chems.
Before you do anything, confirm with a scope. Without scoping, you are flying blind. Those plants also resemble symptoms of off gassing, so be sure of what you have before doing anything. After confirming broad mites, I would toss those plants, as they are small, and already too heavily damaged. The toxins from the mites, if they are mites, have done their damage, and remain in the plants even after mites are eliminated. I would also toss all medium, and heat treat the room and start over. If they are mites, aspirin will perk them up over night. One or two aspirin tablets per gallon as a soil drench. They should perk up in 12 hours. If you do have mites, aspirin, @ one tablet per gallon should be in your rez/watering regimen. It mitigates the effects of the poisons the mites inject, if you have mites, which can only be confirmed by scoping with a 100X scope. Look under leaves for the eggs, which are much easier to spot than the mites.
summitoker
Member
I used to work at a grow facility for a co shop. The "grower" was always quick to spray avid, e20, whatever instead of actually fixing the situation at its core. I refused to spray or be around when the chemical warfare was taking place. They had no safety gear and never took my advice not to breath in the mist, get it on your skin, etc.
So i go to work on day, they had sprayed avid the day before. I walk in and see the grower, his face was swollen up like a fucking chipmunk, bright red, so bad his eyes were almost swollen shut. He ended up going to the hospital(with the bottle of avid) where they had no clue how to deal with such a situation. They gave him a bunch of prescriptions and it took damn near a week for swelling to go away. Dont fuck around with these chemicals!
That's a pretty fucked up story. A few years back it was reccomended to me from growers on this site to use Floramite and I did. I was spraying in my boxers with no mask or anything. I got pretty sick from it and did a lot more research and stopped using these types of chemicals. I will say that those chemicals made it very easy to get rid of the mites with just a couple of treatments but now I'm back to 100% Neem Oil and Coco Wet to go with it. It's more of a pain in the ass to have to treat every 3 days but it's worth it in the end. If you keep your grow clean and don't wear outside clothes in the room while keeping a mop and bleach around the grow, mites will find it hard to get into your rooms. It's funny how people make it normal to use chemicals like this and it makes a lot of growers use them with no protection and it's just thrown out there so loosely like it's no big deal.
My Pylon was $400USD per pint! It makes 300 gallons tho. Luckily I traded for it from a dude in the nursery biz. Bottom shelf to the right. Avid is supposed to be good and much less. Haven't used but don't think good in flower. Pylon by comparison is rated a bit safer, if there is such a thing with these chems...
Pylon is approved for fruits and vegetables grown in commercial greenhouse only. The risk is to the applicator not the product.
http://www.ohp.com/Labels_MSDS/PDF/pylon_20_label.pdf
canna woop!
Member
The plants should be switched to veg. And misted with aloe Vera and Ewc slurry
greenspace
Member
I have decided to try an aggressive spray approach with neem oil on the ladies for now. I understand that I will probably not be able to eradicate them with this method but hopefully it will allow me to carry on for the winter season until my normal slowdown when spring arrives. At that point I only have a few moms around and I will spray with something more potent.
I am attached to this strain, Jack Herer. It's my only one right now and I have had it for over 5 years so there is an emotional bond that has developed. It would be tough to start over at this point but I am also realistic in that if this problem is too bad I may not have a choice.
Thanks for the help fellow growers.
I am attached to this strain, Jack Herer. It's my only one right now and I have had it for over 5 years so there is an emotional bond that has developed. It would be tough to start over at this point but I am also realistic in that if this problem is too bad I may not have a choice.
Thanks for the help fellow growers.
Did you 40x loupe the leaves to check to see exactly what kinda critter you have.
I wiped out my thrips for example by using 10ml bleach/1L water, mist heavily, and dropped my nighttime temps down to 58-60'F. Within a week no more thrips...been a yr so I am pretty sure they are gone..
Now the Spidermites that found their way in...they are a proving to be a challenge.
I wiped out my thrips for example by using 10ml bleach/1L water, mist heavily, and dropped my nighttime temps down to 58-60'F. Within a week no more thrips...been a yr so I am pretty sure they are gone..
Now the Spidermites that found their way in...they are a proving to be a challenge.
greenspace
Member
No, I didn't scope. My vision is not good (part of the reason I vape weed) and I don't think I would be able to see them. I started a spray routine with Inseticidal Soap and have added aspirin to my teas and it has really turned things around so I think it's safe to say I had some sort of infestation. A week into this and even the most battered plants are showing signs of improvement.
I am convinced I can beat this without pesticides so my next step is to rent a propane heater and blast the bastards with a heat shot of 120 degrees. If I am still having problems after these 3 steps then I will go the OGBioWar route.
