Terpenation at Terpene Station

[Bluebery]

If you look on the SPR dot com site in the lil terp thread I think instaflex dot com maybe

 

[Bluebery]

My bAd. That was false. I'm wanting a terp. Have a rigid vac/recovery pump, anyone familiar w those? Anxious to get going.

 

[mr. durden]

I am basically running a bhogart that I built myself before bhogart existed. I based it off the terpenator design. Top fed. Ball valve for the column.

Thanks for the response.

I do not feel comfortable using a heat gun around the setup so I wasn't able to tell where the puddle was at the bottom. The first pour was significantly deep (3-4") which was most of my butane loss. The following pours were about 2". Poured into a pyrex, then scraped onto parchment.

Can you discuss what you are pouring into? Are you pouring into something that is directly being placed into the vacuum oven you are using?

Can you link me to a stainless steel line? I'm not using one. Also have a sight glass in which probably should come out if I will be running dry ice.

Pretty awesome how the waxes get stuck to the bottom of the spool and don't entirely pour out.

we are pouring into 9.5" pyrex pans that fit just perfectly in a pot with hot water in it. the lip of the dish overhangs the pot by a half inch at least so that water has no chance of getting in the dish. once the majority of bubbling butane is gone, we stick it into one of our ovens. i think i broke out that process in a recent post.

with winter coming, we will be purging indoors in a sorta tub type setup with a bottom vent that uses a portable explosion/spark proof fan setup.

there is a thread here on icmag that covers it, i just can't remember the name of it. i actually repurposed my tami hose initially.

although i haven't used my sight glass yet, it is made of borosilicate glass. i'd freeze it to help reduce temp fluctuations. although the butane in the tank might be -40 or so, it isn't as cold when it starts traveling out of the liquid line. i think i clocked it around 0 degrees.

because we process so much, we put the onus on the supplier to make sure their water content is low in the material. sometimes it isn't and you get a lot more clumping. i would recommend a fine stainless strainer to pour through in those situations even if you leave the wax in, it will melt and reabsorb into the oil and simply add weight to the final product.

hope this helps!

 

[nakadashi]

I notice a lot of people mentioning the exact % of water weight in the material they run.. How are you guys determining how much moisture your plant material has?

 

[Gray Wolf]

Can you link me to a stainless steel line? .

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[Gray Wolf]

I notice a lot of people mentioning the exact % of water weight in the material they run.. How are you guys determining how much moisture your plant material has?

Exact?? By weighing a sample before and after complete dessication the first time and guessing thereafter.

 

[Lebniis]

Do the flexicraft hoses come with flare connections?

 

[PenZenMaster]

PTFE Hoses

PTFE Hoses

Do the flexicraft hoses come with flare connections?

Flexicraft only offer JIC connectors on 1/4 " hoses.

Thunder Technologies
Offer a larger selection of connectors on small hoses.

 

[PenZenMaster]

Series or Parallel Pumps

Series or Parallel Pumps

I've worked with multi-stage high pressure compressors and the like in the past and was wondering if you wanted to add a second recovery pump to the system in the never ending search to reduce recovery time would you run two pumps in parallel or series? The parallel option would require some additional plumbing which would be relatively easy and the series option would just require a few more hoses.

If you did go with the series option and the pumps were not identical, oh lets say you have an Appion G5 Twin and an Appion G1 Single would you have the G5 hooked to the MKIII with the G5 feeding the G1 connected to the recover tank or would you connect the G1 to the MKIII and have the G1 feed the G5 hooked to the recovery tank?

 

[nakadashi]

Exact?? By weighing a sample before and after complete dessication the first time and guessing thereafter.

I think I get it. So completely desiccate a sample wet material to get an approximation of how much water content it had, and then desiccate the rest to the desired moisture content. Then my next question is if water is the enemy, why are people are doing runs with 10-15% moisture instead of 0%, or as close to 0% as feasible?

 

[mr. durden]

Hey GW,

I thought I'd ask you it here since it can get a bit unwieldy trying to find stuff on the blog. I'm interested in building a larger capacity unit, maybe one that does 2lbs or so. what would the corresponding column size be for that along with base? it seemed like the 10*12 spool looked about the same size as the paint pot.

thank ya!

 

[Lebniis]

JIC fittings, are these what refrigerant hoses use? The two websites posted above for SST hoses mentions JIC threads... The flare fittings that we are using I believe are SAE, is that correct?

 

[prune]

Hey GW,

I thought I'd ask you it here since it can get a bit unwieldy trying to find stuff on the blog. I'm interested in building a larger capacity unit, maybe one that does 2lbs or so. what would the corresponding column size be for that along with base? it seemed like the 10*12 spool looked about the same size as the paint pot.

thank ya!

Just happened to be catching up on the back pages and GW answers that question in detail on page 7 (post #91 and followups) of this thread...

 

[mr. durden]

Thanks prune! So much info out there

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[Gray Wolf]

I've worked with multi-stage high pressure compressors and the like in the past and was wondering if you wanted to add a second recovery pump to the system in the never ending search to reduce recovery time would you run two pumps in parallel or series? The parallel option would require some additional plumbing which would be relatively easy and the series option would just require a few more hoses.

If you did go with the series option and the pumps were not identical, oh lets say you have an Appion G5 Twin and an Appion G1 Single would you have the G5 hooked to the MKIII with the G5 feeding the G1 connected to the recover tank or would you connect the G1 to the MKIII and have the G1 feed the G5 hooked to the recovery tank?

The Mk V will run dual pumps in parallel.

 

[RegisPhilburn1]

JIC fittings, are these what refrigerant hoses use? The two websites posted above for SST hoses mentions JIC threads... The flare fittings that we are using I believe are SAE, is that correct?

1/4" JIC and 1/4 SAE are interchangeable and should work fine on 1/4 refrigerant hoses. However once you go to 3/8, you must have a JIC fitting on both or SAE on both. The difference between SAE and JIC is the angle of the flare. Flexicraft also sells the JIC flare fittings, which are stainless, which i prefer over brass. All stainless terp ftw

 

[nakadashi]

So after reading the handbook I am going to upgrade my sight glass to something stronger and I wont be using it when I do dry ice runs. If its not rated like my stainless steel hoses or better it seems kinda silly to mess with the chances. I set right next to the terp when its running and the sight glass is overhead. .. yea I wont go there... Just my thoughts on the subject, to each their own

I have been looking into how safe my borosilicate sight glass is for use with dry ice and have not found any conclusive information. Most manufacturers state their borosilicate sight glasses are safe to up to 450C, but list no lower temperature limit.

I did find these borosilicate sight glasses though that are rated for -273C to +300C. http://www.sme-ama.com/products/?category=IG-SG but they are for sight flow indicators like this http://www.visilume.com/products/si...las-sight-glass-for-sight-flow-indicator.html rather than the full view ones that we have.

I also found this PDF on the properties of borosilicate http://www.pegasus-glass.com/Portals/0/technical_infopyrex.pdf . The second page confirms your information that the danger is rapid change in temperature that causes thermal shock. It also states that as a "general guide, sudden temperature changes of up to about 216F can be accommodated." But perhaps more importantly, "At sub-zero temperatures, the tensile strength of borosilicate glass tends to increase and equipment can be used with safety and cryogenic temperatures."

I *think* that if we are using these sight glasses on an 80 degree day, running -10F or colder butane should be safe? The one thing I have not been able to find any information on is whether or not the cylindrical shape of the full view sight glass (rather than the flat disc of the sight flow indicator) changes any of this information.

 

[mr. durden]

When in doubt, freeze your sight glass

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[nakadashi]

When in doubt, freeze your sight glass

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Good idea, I will be doing this. I have just been running without the sight glass because the thought of glass shards flying everywhere is too scary.

Btw Mr. Durden did you get your steel hose from flexicraft? I was looking to order one today but on their hose configurator there is no option for 1/4" diameter. Also among the fittings to choose from, the appropriate one only says "JIC SS FITTING," so I'm guessing I should specify that I want a female swivel to make the steel hose like a charging hose.

 

[Lebniis]

Good idea, I will be doing this. I have just been running without the sight glass because the thought of glass shards flying everywhere is too scary.

Btw Mr. Durden did you get your steel hose from flexicraft? I was looking to order one today but on their hose configurator there is no option for 1/4" diameter. Also among the fittings to choose from, the appropriate one only says "JIC SS FITTING," so I'm guessing I should specify that I want a female swivel to make the steel hose like a charging hose.

Trying to determine this also.