Unclefishstick's Guide to Home Bicycle Repair

[pappy masonjar]

I gotta say, I couldnt have gotten luckier, stumbling across the bike shop. We have an vent guy(G), an electrical/buildin handy man(dans), a life/growing guru(unc), a veteran outdoor grower(doc), a magnificent breeder/grower(outcast), a production master(third), the thunder from down under(b00m), the creator of a legen/generous bastard (jw) and now.. some jerk off who acts like he knows everything(guess who)

So like i said, im gonna need each and everyone of your help soon. I thought i had what i wanna do figured out. But i saw some ideas on here recently that are making me reconsider. Ill explain later the 2 main options im thinkin about. But whatever i choose, im definitely gonna need a lot of help setting up my room. Its getting close now. A couple more weeks and this run is done. (thank god.)

again, im so glad dan and unc are setting up their new rooms now. Im sure a lot of my questions will get answered just watching that go down. I already have actually gotten a few great ideas. I didnt know you could light proof/odor proof a window a/c unit? Im gonna need the details on that one when i get there dan. Knowing i can do that is gonna help me a lot. I do have a central air vent in my room, but its dependent on what temp my girl/kids need the rest of the house. So in the winter, itll be heat coming outta there. So ill prolly shut it. Anyways, im gettin ahead of myself.

that's the only thing left I need to do get some reflectix. I'm using panda now but like the Reflectix better.

What is this panda you all keep talking about? Is it just a name for poly-white?

The bearings will last longer and the motor will too because they will both run cooler. That said I think 1 reason to not push air through the lihgt is a safety thing. Seems I read somewhere you should not push to the light for fear of exploding the bulb. Like unc said if it was just 1 x 600 it wouldnt really mater but you pump 1800 and it could. Think about how much heat a 1500 watt heater puts out Besides these are high static pressure fans we are talking about. If they can breath in fresh air they are damn sure gonna push it out As far as efficiency my dog will never be in that fight. Its a coin toss at best. The only thing I might would do different is use larger ducting


Your idea will also work. Hell your fan may even last 10 years But heat is a killer of anything except cactus lol
I'm not a filter guru but air flow I can do When shopping for a fan I look for 1 that will suit my needs, The same with filters. If you want to kill the smell your filter should be at the end of the line. If you want to stop dust you do that just before the fan for best results. Hardly nobody does things this way. Everyone puts the filter in the room with the fan pulling through it. Yup the filter will last longer cause the fan is more of a pusher then a puller. Pushing to the filter will shorten its life cause it is having more air moving through it at a higher volume. This is another fight I will keep my dog out of. Toss a coin they will both work.

To be honest, it will be much easier in my situation to put my filter at the beginning of the vent cycle. Because im planning on venting into my attic. And id rather not have to go up there to install/change it. Im glad to know its not a huge difference either way. I vent into my attic now, in my current room. But like i said, i dont have a scrubber yet. Unless you count this thing i gotta a long time ago.

I order it outta high times. Im thinking now that ill be running the glue soon, prolly time to get a real one.

and this is how im planning on doing it my new room again. So i guess ill see how long the fan lasts. im hoping for the 10 years

Dan I got a question for you. I need to up pot a couple plants. And i wanna use the Bayer Advanced, and the Garden Safe with DE. But on the back, it doesnt have any dirrections for mixing in soil. (I know you use coco, and ill be using straight Sunshine Advanced #4. I dunno if that matters?) but have you used this exact kind before?

If so, do you happen to remember how much i should mix in?

And the bayer advanced. First, the kind i have is called Vegetable and Garden Insect Dust. Did you say you used the Tree and Shrub kind? This kind should work too right? Anyways, on the back of the Bayer, it says to lightly dust on the leaves. Is that really all you do with it?
Any Info on how to use these two products would be greatly appreciated.

 

[dansbuds]

There are a few tricks I've learned, like when using ducting to vent a grow space have your passive intake to that space at least 2x as large as the ducting going out. So that would be 2 6inch ducts coming into the room for one 6inch duct that is venting the room. Doing this will drop the rooms temp by a few degrees.

Yup exactly Gano !!! & just what i've got . 2 in 1 out all 6"
I will have 2 carbon filters ... 1 on the light circuit & one by itself pushing scrubbed air into my veg room .

 

[dansbuds]

The tree & shrub was a liquid bug killer for Knats & larva in the soils . the powdered DE is what you mix in the soil at 1/2 to 1 cup per gallon of soil . both those brands are pretty much the same thing & work the same way ... just different manufacturers .

this the brand i use from HD http://www.homedepot.com/p/St-Gabri...i_kw=&ci_gpa=pla&ci_src=17588969#.UlHjVxAYZ-w

 

[dansbuds]

I'm home ... stuffed my face ... now its puffing time then in the rooms to get shit done !!!!
fukin weird !!!! somehow somewhere last night my roll of flextape just freakin dissappeared !!!! i looked everywhere & can't find it ..... good thing i had to go to HD today anyways

 

[Dr. Purpur]

Remember the big woman looking all over for the chuahua. It was stuck in her but crack .

 

[bugman52]

I forgot about this one. u can see where I split the branch in the middle & taped uped with packing tape

 

[Dr. Purpur]

Bud dog is sick as hell. It's ninety degrees in here, and he's out looking all ovrr for his jacket

 

[pappy masonjar]

Dan- This is prolly gonna sound stupid. But i wanna kill gnats and larva too. Is that tree and shrub stuff you used come in liquid form, or powder that you mix into a liquid?

Unc- With seeds, in straight ss4 advanced, when do you start feeding? Or do you lightly feed from the get-go? Im used to using just water until week 2-3. But im guessing the ss4 is more like a blank canvas.

 

[dansbuds]

Pappy you can use the liquid but the DE will do the same thing .... why go overkill if ya don't have to ??? dig it ???



be back in a few with some pics guys .... gotta get glued first

 

[dansbuds]

I tried my damndest to get that beast of a filter up in the ceiling !! just couldn't manage to do it .... so i've got it between the intakes .



the other filter when the new one gets here i can get pretty close to the ceiling on the other end of the room .I've got the duct work & fan mounted , just have to wait for a new filter . that fan & filter will feed the veg room . i've got an older one here , but its pretty worn out by now i'd imagine .







got the CAP controller all hooked in . put brand new Ushio's in the lights , scrubbed all the lenses & have them fired up to see what kinda temps i'm getting .



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[silver hawaiian]

Lookin' super clean dan!

Quick question - the intake ducts, are you going to leave 'em on the floor like that? I'm wondering, why not hike 'em up to the ceiling? They'll be out of your way, and the [presumably] cool air will sink anyway, .. ?

Looks great either way - I'm jealous of the a) space and b) clean start.

 

[dansbuds]

Lights on !!!!







Gonna be a pretty good spread of light over the trays !!! haven't taken any measurements yet to see how much room i have between the trays & lights . i'll do that when i go in & check the temps shortly .

 

[unclefishstick]

pappy,start feeding from the get go,seedlings,clones,whatever,ss4 is 40% coco so it needs to be charged with nutes..

lookin good dan!

nothing too exciting today,did laundry and went grocery shopping...gotta replace my rear tire,most of the knobs were gone anyway and it looks like i gouged the side casing,time for new rubber after only 860 miles....and these big ass tires are expensive,need to grab another pair and another slimed tube...going out exploring tomorrow,gonna need that new tread...

 

[dansbuds]

Thanx Silver

Unc said the same thing about having the intakes at the ceiling .... i always thought you need your intakes low & the filters/exhaust up high so the air travels through the plants & up through the exhaust ..... no ???? you guys have me baffled now

i'd love to get them up off the floor & outa my way .....you guys think i should ???

 

[silver hawaiian]

I'm not an HVAC guy, but my logic is.. (those are for intake, right? As in, fresh air into the room?)

That air oughtta be cooler than what's in the room already. So that air should sink..

I'm almost wondering .. I know it would be a longer run from the point-of-exhaust to its final destination, but I wonder if it's better to put the exhaust on the far end of the room? And then you wouldn't have to run the intake the length of the room..?

Just wondering to myself

Who cares - the space looks tits, however it works.

 

[unclefishstick]

i would put them up high myself just because they will be a pain on the floor and in the way all the time,and if you have them up high the air gets a better chance to mix when you're pulling winter air through so its not as cold...

 

[bugman52]

I'm not an HVAC guy, but my logic is.. (those are for intake, right? As in, fresh air into the room?)

That air oughtta be cooler than what's in the room already. So that air should sink..

I'm almost wondering .. I know it would be a longer run from the point-of-exhaust to its final destination, but I wonder if it's better to put the exhaust on the far end of the room? And then you wouldn't have to run the intake the length of the room..?

Just wondering to myself

Who cares - the space looks tits, however it works.

im with silver cool air on top let it drop down my 2cents

 

[dansbuds]

I'm almost wondering .. I know it would be a longer run from the point-of-exhaust to its final destination, but I wonder if it's better to put the exhaust on the far end of the room? And then you wouldn't have to run the intake the length of the room..?

i actually have 2 filters silver .... one at each end of the room .


so .... consensus says get'em up off the floor & into the ceiling ..... cool !!!! that'll give me more floor space too !!!


with only one exhaust system (lighting ) running out of 2 , temps were 81.1 RH was 49.5

i have 50" from the trays to the lights .... if i use 10" high pots that gives me 40 to the lense ..... so i can run 3 footers no problem !!! 90% of them will be in a net anyways so i think i'll be in good shape

 

[pappy masonjar]

Dan, you truly are a beast at grow room design, building, etc. Not only is that one of the most official looking chambers ever, but you did it in like 3 days.

i took your flextape. I was hoping you'd come looking for it and end up helpin me design my room.

Pappy you can use the liquid but the DE will do the same thing .... why go overkill if ya don't have to ??? dig it ???

Im glad to hear you say that. The reason i was thinkin that is because i always hear the guys in the Root aphid/fungus gnat threads talking about these ridiculously massive arsenals of stuff. But your right, i already have like 5 different things to hit them with. Im thinkin ill get them bastards.

Thanx Silver

Unc said the same thing about having the intakes at the ceiling .... i always thought you need your intakes low & the filters/exhaust up high so the air travels through the plants & up through the exhaust ..... no ???? you guys have me baffled now

i'd love to get them up off the floor & outa my way .....you guys think i should ???

I know you already got the general consensus, but you know me.....

I think that ideally i'd want the intake from the A/C up high on one side of the room, and the exhaust low on the other side of room. That way, the cool air will not only sink, but will be sucked down and across the room, through your plants. Because if your exhaust (or both of your exhaust) are up high, and so is your intake, some of your fresh cool air will just get sucked along the ceiling. Sure some of the cool air will sink down, but not all, i wouldn't think. So if you can't have an exhaust down low, maybe keeping your intakes where you had them would be best. But this is all just what my brain is telling me. I could easily be wrong. I have almost zero HVAC knowledge/experience. just my

 

[dansbuds]

Where you getting AC from pappy ? theres no AC in that room . the intakes are just vents in a window drawing fresh air from outside .

I'm actually going to have one low filter & one high . the low one is the one between the intakes mounted to the window .... the other one will be in the ceiling over the door . the one over the door will help bring the fresh air across the room where the other one will help bring it down to the plants . the intakes will end in the ceiling about half way into the room .... so air will be drawn both ways .... & with the circulation fans .... i think there will be plenty of fresh air being blown around . i just have to make sure theres enough negative pressure that it draws the fresh air in the intake vents or i may have to add a fan to one of the intake lines ..