Gorilla Glue #4...

[krustallos]

krustallos: Please put me on the front of your list if you plan to share these Thanks Max

If the reversal works as planned will be crossing the GG#4 with:
GG#4
Arcata Trainwreck
Glass Slipper
Brainfreeze
Forum cut GSC
Chem Sis
Flo
Stardawg



and quite a few more strains.

 

[pappy masonjar]

Those should all be CrazyREtarded Good!!!
that chem sis x... and the stardawg x.... and the Slipper x.... All will be..

...no words. i got no words for that.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

Im smoking a fat jay of Gorilla Glue right now. Havin my floors swept and mopped by my older sons girlfriend.

When ever I have a serious question about breeding plants, I just call Nevil. He is always real cool about the questions, even if they are dumb.

 

[stickshift]

People who breed should always list the female 1st as this is botanical nomenclature, why because we breed cannabis should we be different? when a cross is listed as for instance AxB(A/B), A will always be the female, this is precisely so lineage can be followed and you don't therefore have a free for all with made up terms and nobody understanding what is what (hence you have standards and codes set out that should be followed). Dr P ask Nev about Shull

 

[stickshift]

i thought all 3 parents were female. in that case it wouldnt matter... lol

Always thought you could only have 2 parents.. have you discovered a new breeding technique?

(yes I am a pedantic f**ker)

 

[AlterEgo860]

Nice. That Max feller will be geeeekked.


Ok. I just wanna add a couple last thoughts about the lineage subject. Im not trying to beat a dead horse, but i think it is important. I looked through some of the newer cannabis books i have, and its obvious that even most "professionals" dont have the foggiest.

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Out of all the books i looked at, only Ed Rosenthal put any consideration into the importance of this.

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And not only did he consistently do it correctly, but he added ♂♀symbols just to make it clear to all. Its almost like the other guys dont give a shit, or thought, 'it doesnt matter to anyone'. And it doesnt matter to most people, but it does to some. Im not saying its uber important or anything like that. But since our community is going more legit, id say its about time we finally try to standardize this. I can tell you that I personally find it really annoying and unnecessary, that when im looking through a "strain guide" (that i paid at least $20 for), and if im not familiar with the strain, and the author put no consideration into how to properly write the lineage, i'll have no idea which parent is the female or male, or how the cross was made.
Perfect example: This piece of garbage.

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The High Times Strain Guide. They cant even decide which way to do it. That, or they are absolutely clueless. They put zero rhyme or reason into how they wrote it. Depending on the strain in the book, it could be listed (Male x Female) or (Female x Male). So if a reader is unfamiliar with a strain, they will have no idea which parent is which. And I thought the whole point of strain guides, was to familiarize youself with new strains. Strains your unfamiliar with.

At least this M.O.ron kept it consistent vvvvvvvvvv

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he had it wrong, but at least once i figured out which way he was listing them, i could at least kinda tell what was going on.

Anyways, my point is, if we as a community can come together and agree on this, there will be a lot less confusion for everyone. I actually saw a breeder here on IC, post a picture of kief from a "Reversed Male". I was like, uhhh. I think obviously, he meant a female that he reversed into a male. But the correct way to write that is, a "Reversed Female". It was confusing to say the least. I mean... did, he reverse a male? Never heard of that, and i dont think theres a point. So I doubt thats what he meant, but its super confusing. Thats my point. It could save a lot of time and energy by just standardizing all of this.

Another huge problem that seems extremely common with written genetic lineages; is when people dont use (parenthesis) or [brackets].
Example. Subcool, (who, btw, i hate to even mention on this site outta respect for GN) for some reason or another, must find it waaayy to time consuming to add a ( or a ] here or there. He is consistent with the Female x Male thing, but its almost just as bad. I mean, how hard is it to just add parenthesis, or a ♂,♀ symbol; or like outcast said, at least a (m) or (f). Anyways, here is the example. Its from his Dank 2.0 book.

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Ok, now because i am familiar with this strain, i can decifer it. But if i wasn't, i'd be confused as shit. Let me show you how much a couple of parenthesis can clear things up.

{[(Pluton x Purple Haze x Lambs Bread x Nl♀) x (Jack Herer♂)♀] x [Romulan x c99♂]}

That is technically the correct way to write it out. But i would have written it:

[Jacks Cleaner♀ x Space Queen( Aka Space Dude)♂]

and i would add a notation:

Jacks Cleaner♀(f) = ((Pluton x Purple Haze x Lambs Bread X NL)♀) x (Jack Herer♂)

Space Queen♂(m) = (Romulan x c99)

Does anybody think either way I listed it, is more confusing than Sub's way? Its like he could give a shit
vvvvvvvvvv

Pluton x Purple Haze x Lambs Bread x NL x Jack Herer x Romulan x Cindy99


..... I think my way gives a tad bit more clarity into how the strain was created. And certainly which parents were female or male.


*(Also, clearly subcool is an idiot. Not only does he say, "This strain represents the sum total of all my breeding experience.". Which is a complete joke looking at how denotes lineage, and more importantly the fact that he is about the same level of a low-numbers pollen chucker as me!. But also, LMFAO at, "untopped and vegged to a full bush". What? If you want a full bush, why in the hell wouldnt you top and train? Yeah, the "sum total of your breeding experience" huh?)

And i guess not much thought has gone into standardizing this, but i think its time we start. I did a super quick google on the subject, and there was almost nothing on the topic. I did find a couple things. A post from 2009, on some forum, where a guy is saying the same thing I am. He said, can we just all agree on this? nobody seemed to care, and here we are, 5 years later, and still the same confusion.
So i thought about starting a thread trying to get everyone on the same page. At least here at ICmag. But i decided against it due to the fact I am pretty new to the site. And its human nature to dislike newbies. Especially if they are "telling people (who have been here for a looong time) what to do", in a way. So id rather not. But any more senior members who wish to copy this info. feel absolutely free. I know its kind of a mess, but its a start i figure. You could call the thread somethin like, "Female x Male. Ladies First Always."

o yeah, and heres a quote from 2008, from someone else on another site, complaing about this.



And one final note; there isnt ONE picture in any of those books, that hold a flame to unclefishsick's pictures. I said that when i first joined the site, and ill say it again. That new fella outcast, he shits on these books as well. Much Respect fellas
(and please dont anyone take this as a snub. Im not familiar with too many people's work yet, and those 2 just really shine imo.)


Sorry for the interruption to your regularly scheduled thread. Please resume your monkeying around folks!

totally agree man.. i been saying this for months.. i cannot stand it. i hate the fact that some think its female x male. some male x female.. and then we get crosses or strains from seed banks.. and u get something like that bullshit.. honestly man.. not to be a dick to Subcool but he just made a bunch of strains that have soooo many god damn phenos its rediculous.. dont get me wrong subcool started with great genetics. obv.. butttt i hate how these guys get all hyped up.. and lose half of what made them GREAT.. i hope people step it up. kuz i dont buy any seeds without knowing lineage of the shit.

 

[stickshift]

Nice. That Max feller will be geeeekked.


Ok. I just wanna add a couple last thoughts about the lineage subject. Im not trying to beat a dead horse, but i think it is important. I looked through some of the newer cannabis books i have, and its obvious that even most "professionals" dont have the foggiest.

View Image

Out of all the books i looked at, only Ed Rosenthal put any consideration into the importance of this.

View Image

And not only did he consistently do it correctly, but he added ♂♀symbols just to make it clear to all. Its almost like the other guys dont give a shit, or thought, 'it doesnt matter to anyone'. And it doesnt matter to most people, but it does to some. Im not saying its uber important or anything like that. But since our community is going more legit, id say its about time we finally try to standardize this. I can tell you that I personally find it really annoying and unnecessary, that when im looking through a "strain guide" (that i paid at least $20 for), and if im not familiar with the strain, and the author put no consideration into how to properly write the lineage, i'll have no idea which parent is the female or male, or how the cross was made.
Perfect example: This piece of garbage.

View Image

The High Times Strain Guide. They cant even decide which way to do it. That, or they are absolutely clueless. They put zero rhyme or reason into how they wrote it. Depending on the strain in the book, it could be listed (Male x Female) or (Female x Male). So if a reader is unfamiliar with a strain, they will have no idea which parent is which. And I thought the whole point of strain guides, was to familiarize youself with new strains. Strains your unfamiliar with.

At least this M.O.ron kept it consistent vvvvvvvvvv

View Image

he had it wrong, but at least once i figured out which way he was listing them, i could at least kinda tell what was going on.

Anyways, my point is, if we as a community can come together and agree on this, there will be a lot less confusion for everyone. I actually saw a breeder here on IC, post a picture of kief from a "Reversed Male". I was like, uhhh. I think obviously, he meant a female that he reversed into a male. But the correct way to write that is, a "Reversed Female". It was confusing to say the least. I mean... did, he reverse a male? Never heard of that, and i dont think theres a point. So I doubt thats what he meant, but its super confusing. Thats my point. It could save a lot of time and energy by just standardizing all of this.

Another huge problem that seems extremely common with written genetic lineages; is when people dont use (parenthesis) or [brackets].
Example. Subcool, (who, btw, i hate to even mention on this site outta respect for GN) for some reason or another, must find it waaayy to time consuming to add a ( or a ] here or there. He is consistent with the Female x Male thing, but its almost just as bad. I mean, how hard is it to just add parenthesis, or a ♂,♀ symbol; or like outcast said, at least a (m) or (f). Anyways, here is the example. Its from his Dank 2.0 book.

View Image


Ok, now because i am familiar with this strain, i can decifer it. But if i wasn't, i'd be confused as shit. Let me show you how much a couple of parenthesis can clear things up.

{[(Pluton x Purple Haze x Lambs Bread x Nl♀) x (Jack Herer♂)♀] x [Romulan x c99♂]}

That is technically the correct way to write it out. But i would have written it:

[Jacks Cleaner♀ x Space Queen( Aka Space Dude)♂]

and i would add a notation:

Jacks Cleaner♀(f) = ((Pluton x Purple Haze x Lambs Bread X NL)♀) x (Jack Herer♂)

Space Queen♂(m) = (Romulan x c99)

Does anybody think either way I listed it, is more confusing than Sub's way? Its like he could give a shit
vvvvvvvvvv

Pluton x Purple Haze x Lambs Bread x NL x Jack Herer x Romulan x Cindy99


..... I think my way gives a tad bit more clarity into how the strain was created. And certainly which parents were female or male.


*(Also, clearly subcool is an idiot. Not only does he say, "This strain represents the sum total of all my breeding experience.". Which is a complete joke looking at how denotes lineage, and more importantly the fact that he is about the same level of a low-numbers pollen chucker as me!. But also, LMFAO at, "untopped and vegged to a full bush". What? If you want a full bush, why in the hell wouldnt you top and train? Yeah, the "sum total of your breeding experience" huh?)

And i guess not much thought has gone into standardizing this, but i think its time we start. I did a super quick google on the subject, and there was almost nothing on the topic. I did find a couple things. A post from 2009, on some forum, where a guy is saying the same thing I am. He said, can we just all agree on this? nobody seemed to care, and here we are, 5 years later, and still the same confusion.
So i thought about starting a thread trying to get everyone on the same page. At least here at ICmag. But i decided against it due to the fact I am pretty new to the site. And its human nature to dislike newbies. Especially if they are "telling people (who have been here for a looong time) what to do", in a way. So id rather not. But any more senior members who wish to copy this info. feel absolutely free. I know its kind of a mess, but its a start i figure. You could call the thread somethin like, "Female x Male. Ladies First Always."

o yeah, and heres a quote from 2008, from someone else on another site, complaing about this.



And one final note; there isnt ONE picture in any of those books, that hold a flame to unclefishsick's pictures. I said that when i first joined the site, and ill say it again. That new fella outcast, he shits on these books as well. Much Respect fellas
(and please dont anyone take this as a snub. Im not familiar with too many people's work yet, and those 2 just really shine imo.)


Sorry for the interruption to your regularly scheduled thread. Please resume your monkeying around folks!

That lineage he put is wrong, I don't think he even knows what it is, in previous writings he has done, he has stated that the "cleaner" clone he found was from a "skoosh" line and that it contained in his words -

The make up of these seeds were Pluton, Lambs Bread, Purple Haze, and Northern Lights. What mix or pattern these crosses occurred I am not sure.

then later he stated Skoosh was;

((NL5xPluton)x purple haze) backcrossed to a NL5. - which should indicate a female NL5xPluton x a male Purple haze - then a male pollen source of this cross backcrossed to the NL5 clone. - so I'd assume the initial cross was the AxB in this case NL5 = A, Pluton = B, and Purple Haze = C. We can then write (AxB)xC*A whereby * indicates BC (perhaps some would write it - A x ((AxB)xC) - BC1 )

-side note; I'm always unsure where to place the BC denotation

and from that he found the "Cleaner" clone which he crossed to Jack Herer to give the 35 seeds that he found the Jacks Cleaner clone from.

put simply it's a shitfest of breeding yet another poly

http://bigbudsmag.com/grow/how/arti...-one-worlds-top-marijuana-strains-august-2011

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1MjZxgiW-5AC&pg=PA123&lpg=PA123&dq=lineage+of+jacks+cleaner+by+subcool&source=bl&ots=24eqS3UUGW&sig=WKi1VBzcxWQDZrpDY-D3g0f_TKA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3v1PUvKaFYO50QXApIGQCw&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=lineage%20of%20jacks%20cleaner%20by%20subcool&f=false


* Sorry for the detour, back to GG#4

 

[krustallos]

And now back to the regularly scheduled programming of GG#4.

 

[Jbomber79]

I think we can all agree this is a fine strain that grows like a beast, clones easy, and rips your ass when puffed-

 

[dansbuds]

Really !!!!! all this breeding info is givin me a freakin headache !!! GG4 is a phenominal cross however the fuk it came about !!! can we just leave it at that ??? Please !!!

There is such a thing as information OVERLOAD !!!!

 

[pappy masonjar]

I just wanna say my intention was never to derail the thread, or open that topic back up for debate. I just wanted to add why i do think its important. And that topic didnt start out totally irrelevant to the thread.

If its not ever discussed, this topic will just keep coming up. Over and over. Like it has been for years. I was hopin maybe to put an end to that. Or inspire someone else to lead the charge. Like i said, most folks dont give a shit about this, and yeah, in the grand scheme of things its relatively unimportant. But ive spent a great deal of time and money looking at weed books. And it could have been a lot less confusing. With minimal effort from these authors/"experts". I was just hoping to start to clear that topic up. If it doesnt apply, let it fly.

And stickshift, yeah i know about skoosh. I purposely didnt talk about it because it was completely irrelevant to my point, and it would have just made things even more confusing. I just used that JTR example because of subcools lack of parentesis' useage. But Im glad you got a chance to show off some knowledge though.

and believe me, i love this thread. The last thing i wanna do is ruin it. I was just thinking the other day how much i wish people still posted in the gg4 bud pic thread.

sorry everyone

 

[unclefishstick]

lol,no worries pappy,if you're looking for something less frustrating that trying to get growers to agree on anything i suggest training kittens to pull sleds...probably more productive in the end and at least kittens are cute!
and one problem here is that even in the world of horticulture overall i dont believe there is any one standard that applies to all plant groups,and it only gets more complicated when you bring botany into play....
around here,i would trust whatever chimera has to say on the topic,or tom hill...

 

[pappy masonjar]

thanx unc. and true that about TH and chimera. I heard chimera is mapping the cannabis genome, or something crazy like that. So good call on him. I got nothing but the upmost respect for TH as well. And while i have no idea which way those 2 guys denote lineage, id be willing to bet that they agree with me on the point, that it would be much less confusing for everyone if it was standardized. And i agree, it probably is a fantasy. But i have receipts for a bunch of books that let me bitch about it

and for the record, i use to be a fan of subcool's, despite the fact he's always acted like he's Luther Burbank or something. And in reality, i knew he was far from it. But i still always liked him. I gave him a chance at least. I try and give everyone that. I even bought a pack of his ACe of Spades last year. Anyways, i completely lost respect for him when he was recently being extremely immature and disrespectful about Gyp. Also, his ego has recently reached critical mass. He is going around refering to himself and his wife jill, as the King and Queen of Cannabis. lmfao. whatever bro.
Just wanted to clear that up. Im not the type of person who likes to slam people, but karma's a bitch subby

EDIT - goddammit, i promised myself i wouldnt post in this thread for a while. And certainly not about this subject

 

[SirSmokalot]

Ya know I've never read a weed book. Schooled through the net.

My glue is starting to fatten up nice. Still one of the smaller buds in the room but def plumping up daily at week six. Two weeks left it comes down. I tried to take pics but cam said I'd have to reformat my SIM card n there are a lot of photos on there that need to be removed first. Ill go buy a new card. N hopefully share a pic.


Frost just keeps creeping down leaves though

 

[unclefishstick]

really when you get right down to it pappy there isnt a lot of solid science about "drug" cannabis out there yet when speaking of botany or horticulture,only in the medical field are you going to find much in the way of peer reviewed material about "drug" cannabis as opposed to cannabis grown for hemp fiber or seed production.
indeed,we are only now developing the tools and techniques to even be able to understand how plants function at all,humans are just barely scratching the surface of understanding the photosynthetic systems much less something even more complex like root zone interactions and soil biology.
so you can see how a bunch of stoned and for the most part barely educated on the topic growers would end up getting a lot of things wrong,most of us are self taught to one degree or another,when i first started there was only the mel frank and ed rosenthal books around and they were hardly that helpful,maybe the connell clark book was out but i couldnt make heads or tails of that for years...and now we have a whole new generation of growers who learned to grow from places like this so theres still plenty of grower myth and legend left over...but now we are entering an era where real science on drug cannabis can be done and since theres a shit ton of money to be made we will see it being study from the botanical and horticulture perspective....

 

[krustallos]

If the reversal works as planned will be crossing the reversed GG#4 with:
GG#4
Arcata Trainwreck
Glass Slipper
Brainfreeze
Forum cut GSC
Chem Sis
Flo
Stardawg



and quite a few more strains.

Any other strains people would like to grow combined with the GG#4?

 

[Grizz]

that gg 4 back crossed to the chem sis might be interesting, don't see how it couldent be good.

 

[Hammerhead]

T.Hill does Female x Male... I have had this discussion with him..

Thought I would let you all know when I took the GG sample to the Dispensary the guy told me he could smell the sample I had It was in a baggie just a few grams in my pocket.. I was pretty disgusted with the samples they had for sale. Everything smelled the same. Nothing even close to what I have seen in this thread.

 

[Crooked8]

Any other strains people would like to grow combined with the GG#4?

Gg4 x fire og
Gg4 x ecsd
Gg4 x gdp
Gg4 x cherry pie
Gg4 x la con

 

[krustallos]

Gg4 x fire og
Gg4 x ecsd
Gg4 x gdp
Gg4 x cherry pie
Gg4 x la con

Sadly I don't have any of those strains.

Although I do have a couple Alien OG crosses I'm about to try out.