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HH Spray 2.0 + LED Tubes + BrandX Seeds
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This just in from LED Magazine...
This week we have an update that covers a partnership between OLED manufacturer Novaled and Colnatec to use the latter's sensor technology to solve roll-to-roll manufacturing challenges that could lead to lower-cost panels. In the same article, we discuss a potential breakthrough at the University of Utah that could yield white light without mixing colors generated from multiple active layers -- again offering potential for lower manufacturing cost.
This week we have an update that covers a partnership between OLED manufacturer Novaled and Colnatec to use the latter's sensor technology to solve roll-to-roll manufacturing challenges that could lead to lower-cost panels. In the same article, we discuss a potential breakthrough at the University of Utah that could yield white light without mixing colors generated from multiple active layers -- again offering potential for lower manufacturing cost.
Hey PetFlora, good to see the ladies are behaving, What's your opinion on running 900w on two panels with NW+WW that you have, do the whites cause bleaching? When I flower do you think another 660nm boost helps flower along? I'm thinking 800w/whites + 50w660nm. Thanks for the help, you pushed me to build my panels with WW+NW with the results from this thread. The only thing I'm unsure about is the upper limit on usable wattage, and what I should actually be using to measure that limit in regards to what the plant can use/what extra is wasted.
Thanks again, how do you subscribe to a thread so you can see when somebody else posts in it?
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900w? OMG! Pics please
How big is the grow area? As some guys here are proving with A51, and I believe Apache Tech, ~ 160w is all you need to properly light a 2 x 3 canopy. I wouldn't push it much.
Unless you are hell bent on DIY, contact them and see if you can get a deal on ~ 5, which puts you right at 900w. I much prefer a bunch of smaller panels, which allows for hanging some lower, as well as angle them for HUGE coverage benefits, especially below the canopy where all the future clones are crying out for more light
Bleaching several things can cause bleaching.
too high kelvin blue ~ >7000K. There is a strong relationship between thee amount of leaf surface area the plant has, and, the amount of photons each has the ability to process
Plants veg/clone great under ~ 50 NW watts per 1 x 4.
Also, high wattage engines (1w++++++) can throw a lot of 410-440 blue light a long way, especially when the lenses are < 80*s. Now you can raise the light but why? I want it as close to the plant as reasonable to promote growth
Although my first led tube grow wasn't earth shattering, I got a damn nice yield, and tons of compliments.
If you followed my last grow (link below), you might recall that I did not start out with the tubes. Their 76w weren't added until 15 days into flower.( This because it took awhile to find a company that would sell wholesale @~ $100- more trouble than it's worth. And one had a bank of 10 engines out, so they sent me a new one + I got to keep the bad one, but it still lights ~ 90%). This time the tubes went in as soon as the leafs were big enough to slurp the extra photons.
This grow is amazing so far (come by and see) I am proving that low watt, in this case ~ 80w of low wattage engines (< 0.3w= ~250 tiny engines/tube!) offers things overlooked by the power junkies
* You can place/keep them a LOT closer
* They do a much better job providing homogenous light across the entire foot print
* This is a guess, but since each engine is not emitting high temps, they should last much longer
* Shop Fixtures take up less space than high powered fixtures (more head room for the plant), in my 5ft tent every inch counts
* In my 2 x4 x 5 tent with 76w tubs + ~40w of globes temps average 82*s using one exhaust fan
660 Leds
Not a fan of focusing on 660. Locate 640-650nm in ~2:5. You will gt better results, and your engines will last a good bit longer
hth
How big is the grow area? As some guys here are proving with A51, and I believe Apache Tech, ~ 160w is all you need to properly light a 2 x 3 canopy. I wouldn't push it much.
Unless you are hell bent on DIY, contact them and see if you can get a deal on ~ 5, which puts you right at 900w. I much prefer a bunch of smaller panels, which allows for hanging some lower, as well as angle them for HUGE coverage benefits, especially below the canopy where all the future clones are crying out for more light
Bleaching several things can cause bleaching.
too high kelvin blue ~ >7000K. There is a strong relationship between thee amount of leaf surface area the plant has, and, the amount of photons each has the ability to process
Plants veg/clone great under ~ 50 NW watts per 1 x 4.
Also, high wattage engines (1w++++++) can throw a lot of 410-440 blue light a long way, especially when the lenses are < 80*s. Now you can raise the light but why? I want it as close to the plant as reasonable to promote growth
Although my first led tube grow wasn't earth shattering, I got a damn nice yield, and tons of compliments.
If you followed my last grow (link below), you might recall that I did not start out with the tubes. Their 76w weren't added until 15 days into flower.( This because it took awhile to find a company that would sell wholesale @~ $100- more trouble than it's worth. And one had a bank of 10 engines out, so they sent me a new one + I got to keep the bad one, but it still lights ~ 90%). This time the tubes went in as soon as the leafs were big enough to slurp the extra photons.
This grow is amazing so far (come by and see) I am proving that low watt, in this case ~ 80w of low wattage engines (< 0.3w= ~250 tiny engines/tube!) offers things overlooked by the power junkies
* You can place/keep them a LOT closer
* They do a much better job providing homogenous light across the entire foot print
* This is a guess, but since each engine is not emitting high temps, they should last much longer
* Shop Fixtures take up less space than high powered fixtures (more head room for the plant), in my 5ft tent every inch counts
* In my 2 x4 x 5 tent with 76w tubs + ~40w of globes temps average 82*s using one exhaust fan
660 Leds
Not a fan of focusing on 660. Locate 640-650nm in ~2:5. You will gt better results, and your engines will last a good bit longer
hth
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$1100? The A51 SG 160 is $535 + free US shipping. All Cree engines, realistically covers a 2 x 3 footprint http://area51lighting.com/LED-Grow-Lights.html
Update
Since bumping ppms to ~ 600 plants have taken off.
Thinking further on why the sudden spurt, Phaeton from IC mentioned he keeps his humidity low and pH 5.5, which he says allows for better nutrient uptake. Well, I did bring pH down from ~ 6.5 to 5.8 and let it drift. So now, I will start at 5.5 and let it drift to ~ 5.8. Thanks P!
I did some more undergrowth and lower fan leaf trimming before taking these pics.
Sophia (led tent) had the biggest growth spurt
HOT5
LED
Update
Since bumping ppms to ~ 600 plants have taken off.
Thinking further on why the sudden spurt, Phaeton from IC mentioned he keeps his humidity low and pH 5.5, which he says allows for better nutrient uptake. Well, I did bring pH down from ~ 6.5 to 5.8 and let it drift. So now, I will start at 5.5 and let it drift to ~ 5.8. Thanks P!
I did some more undergrowth and lower fan leaf trimming before taking these pics.
Sophia (led tent) had the biggest growth spurt
HOT5
LED
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Apparently Sophia did not like the idea that she was being over-shadowed by Melanie, who is in an entirely different tent. Either way, both are doing quite well.
Note the lack of shade leaves. Contrary to popular belief, I cut mine from 3 node down. My theory being more light to the undergrowth helps side branching to develop. Seems to be working, no?
HOT5
LED
Note the lack of shade leaves. Contrary to popular belief, I cut mine from 3 node down. My theory being more light to the undergrowth helps side branching to develop. Seems to be working, no?
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Light still at 18/6, but not for long. Just waiting for first sign of sex
First 2 pics are from HOT5 tent. The close up is Melanie (WH x WW), who is going bat shit crazy with lower branches
LED pics. Sophia (G13xWW) needs more light, but is doing phenomenal considering the wattage. Plant to left of Sophia is doing quite well. The 2 on Sophia's right (not in frame) may be females too. Been stressing them by cutting off most of the leafs in hopes of forcing males.
Partner hurt his back 3 days ago, taking muscle relaxer + running a dental lab- so panels still on hold
Hope to get with him tomorrow
I adjust both rezes pH daily to ~ 5.6, but by next morning both rise to ~ 6.0
So far, not yet seeing any benefit to using the larger Air Pots, but now coming into the all important flowering cycle.
LED: roots poking out the holes in the APs
HOT5 the plant on the left one has a web of roots escaping the bottom
Light still at 18/6, but not for long. Just waiting for first sign of sex
First 2 pics are from HOT5 tent. The close up is Melanie (WH x WW), who is going bat shit crazy with lower branches
LED pics. Sophia (G13xWW) needs more light, but is doing phenomenal considering the wattage. Plant to left of Sophia is doing quite well. The 2 on Sophia's right (not in frame) may be females too. Been stressing them by cutting off most of the leafs in hopes of forcing males.
Partner hurt his back 3 days ago, taking muscle relaxer + running a dental lab- so panels still on hold
Hope to get with him tomorrow
I adjust both rezes pH daily to ~ 5.6, but by next morning both rise to ~ 6.0
So far, not yet seeing any benefit to using the larger Air Pots, but now coming into the all important flowering cycle.
LED: roots poking out the holes in the APs
HOT5 the plant on the left one has a web of roots escaping the bottom
chileno1978
Member
Looking good pet!, sometimes is hard to adjust PH, just wait fot 10 minutes after you make an adjustment to measure the PH again.
Chileno, I think you misunderstood. I correct pH each morning
For all good reasons, time is marching on as to when I will get 2 @ 2 x 2 panels to install in the led tent
Being the 'Decider' (a lame W reference), I moved Sophia from the led tent to the left side of the HOT5 tent, next to Melanie, so Sophia could get more light.
If I had more G13 x WW seeds I would have left her, but I want her to be all she can be (and sill performing mind control over the other G13 to grow some balls to assure progeny
It is quite amazing how close in height and overall size she is compared to Melanie, especially when you factor in the led tent is common leds whereas the HOT5 has a hot mix of specialty aquarium bulbs
Keep in mind they have different crosses. So far, Sophia is leaning more to sat (and probably would outgrow the 5ft led tent height) with Melanie more Indica. That said, Melanie's mother started out Indica dom, but by flowering, transitioned to sat, similar to the clones I finished in July
When I lifted the WH x WW, roots were exiting the bottom, so I cut them flush. She now resides in the led tent where Sophia held court
The led tent is not going to be as exciting, at least until I get the panels installed
Sophia on left, Melanie in the middle, another WH x WW on far right
View attachment 238427
LED Tent
For all good reasons, time is marching on as to when I will get 2 @ 2 x 2 panels to install in the led tent
Being the 'Decider' (a lame W reference), I moved Sophia from the led tent to the left side of the HOT5 tent, next to Melanie, so Sophia could get more light.
If I had more G13 x WW seeds I would have left her, but I want her to be all she can be (and sill performing mind control over the other G13 to grow some balls to assure progeny
It is quite amazing how close in height and overall size she is compared to Melanie, especially when you factor in the led tent is common leds whereas the HOT5 has a hot mix of specialty aquarium bulbs
Keep in mind they have different crosses. So far, Sophia is leaning more to sat (and probably would outgrow the 5ft led tent height) with Melanie more Indica. That said, Melanie's mother started out Indica dom, but by flowering, transitioned to sat, similar to the clones I finished in July
When I lifted the WH x WW, roots were exiting the bottom, so I cut them flush. She now resides in the led tent where Sophia held court
The led tent is not going to be as exciting, at least until I get the panels installed
Sophia on left, Melanie in the middle, another WH x WW on far right
View attachment 238427
LED Tent
chileno1978
Member
Yup, if you correct ph every day you have a problem, could be measurment problem (that is why i said wait 10 minutes) or a buffer problem to keep ph stable.
I have some issues with ph swing only the first week with new nutes, but after that is quite stable unless i add new nutes or water. Sodium bicarbonate is a good buffer, usually i adjust the ph arround 4.5 with nutes and ph down and then i add sodium bicar to 5.5 and stay there for quite some time, ec 500 microsimens.
I have some issues with ph swing only the first week with new nutes, but after that is quite stable unless i add new nutes or water. Sodium bicarbonate is a good buffer, usually i adjust the ph arround 4.5 with nutes and ph down and then i add sodium bicar to 5.5 and stay there for quite some time, ec 500 microsimens.
Thanks for chiming in, but not convinced it is a 'problem'
I have used HR nutes for well over 5 grows. What's new is the magnets, and they are strong, maybe too strong, but the plants look great and are much hardier/stronger stems than previous grows.
Also, the swing is from ~ 5.6 to ~ 6.0, so, not a huge swing
I have used HR nutes for well over 5 grows. What's new is the magnets, and they are strong, maybe too strong, but the plants look great and are much hardier/stronger stems than previous grows.
Also, the swing is from ~ 5.6 to ~ 6.0, so, not a huge swing
Not exactly overnight, ~ 24 hour period
Well, Sophia likes her new light and surroundings. The HOT5 upstairs is a frame in a dark room, so lots more air and height for when Sophia and Melanie grow, which both did over night. Had to ratchet up a couple inches this morning
Well, Sophia likes her new light and surroundings. The HOT5 upstairs is a frame in a dark room, so lots more air and height for when Sophia and Melanie grow, which both did over night. Had to ratchet up a couple inches this morning
Glad they are growing rapidly for you, sorry for the short remark last night. Not feeling well and just wanted to chime in! I ran hydro for years.
I need to switch over my PLL (basically hot5 just longer and bent in half) which I use for veg to LED.... I have 220 watts in there, 110 per shelf and I was thinking about switching to either the tubs or the globe type ones. The PAR for the cfl's is junk in comparison to 3 watt led chips, and the tubes themselves are many years old now...the plants get 200 par if they are lucky.
What would you favor? Thanks
I need to switch over my PLL (basically hot5 just longer and bent in half) which I use for veg to LED.... I have 220 watts in there, 110 per shelf and I was thinking about switching to either the tubs or the globe type ones. The PAR for the cfl's is junk in comparison to 3 watt led chips, and the tubes themselves are many years old now...the plants get 200 par if they are lucky.
What would you favor? Thanks
First there's a lot of BS when it comes to leds AND the tech is moving forward at warp speed, so don't spend a lot. Consider whatever you buy now to become future veg bulbs/tubes/panels
The bigger the engine wattage, the farther away they need to be. I am getting vg results with 18w tubes which are made with multiple ~ 0.25w engines
Think total number of photons, not wattage per engine
The bigger the engine wattage, the farther away they need to be. I am getting vg results with 18w tubes which are made with multiple ~ 0.25w engines
Think total number of photons, not wattage per engine
