A very good point. Older, partially decarboxylated material, will be darker and goopier, where you have to cook fresh material to soften it up.
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Soak valve for BHOgart extractor
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A very good point. Older, partially decarboxylated material, will be darker and goopier, where you have to cook fresh material to soften it up.
the bhogart is a simple machine to operate. i just showed my trimmer the basics and now he busts it out all day. Yields are anywhere from 10-25% depending upon trim. I got the five pound unit with a bunch of trim tubes for different size runs. i can pass it through and recover the butane 3 times in about an hour depending upon how much heat is applied. i started with a one pound machine which was killer and only requires five cans of butane to run. it yielded great and allowed me to run tests of all the butane types because it did not require that to operate. After lots of consideration newport is the bomb. the best part about the closed loop systems is the fragrance of the end product. it is identical to the trim and when you start with dank loud trim you wind up with some crazy smelling extract as well.
furrywall11
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Dyam, go tommy. how much did dude charge you for extra tubes, if you don't mind me asking.
furrywall11
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and...what do you use for a heat source? i'm about to try out an omega chemical resistant heating pad http://www.omega.com/pptst/SRMU_HEATER.html .... I imagine your %25 yields are on indoor trim or full nug runs? i've never done an indoor run but, I've always noticed that indoor has a higher crystal to plant matter ratio and just 'seems more delicate' which I think would give better returns on an extraction... any comment on why you like newport best?
i have a custom stand and sheet metal pan that is 1 foot tall and fits the base of the extractor in. i just pour in some luke warm water 70-80 and it unlocks the system and voila it recovers with very little heat. i let the low side gauge tell me the minimum amount of heat i need to apply to initiate the recovery. Then the red gauge gives the pressure of the recovery tank. Its a simple process. The tubes were only a couple hundred bucks for a shitload of them
mr. durden
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god, watched the video BM posted on using the bhogart... what a pain in the fucking ass. glad i went with the terp
furrywall11
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curious about how you think the terpinator is better...
mr. durden
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aside from the huge price differential, the BM video did little to impress me. everything is custom whereas the terp uses a lot of off the shelf parts except for the lid and butane injection, the bottom unit looks like a pain to take apart, i'm not sure you could easily do cold extractions and pour off the oil with a little butane, there is a rats nest of hoses, the reclaim hose is too small for fast recovery, there are inefficiencies using things such as a hvac manifold, the custom butane tank which is undersized and expensive, etc.
seeing this unit, it makes me appreciate the level of refinement that the terp has. you can obviously size the terp up if you need a larger unit, but it is actually easier to run two units at the same time versus one big unit. i mean, we make a lot of oil, but we never have a need for a 5lb column. the fact that you can easily source most of the parts is a huge plus in my book.
i'm not sure i'd give some dude thousands of dollars whose website looks like a 13 year old girls facebook page. :/
seeing this unit, it makes me appreciate the level of refinement that the terp has. you can obviously size the terp up if you need a larger unit, but it is actually easier to run two units at the same time versus one big unit. i mean, we make a lot of oil, but we never have a need for a 5lb column. the fact that you can easily source most of the parts is a huge plus in my book.
i'm not sure i'd give some dude thousands of dollars whose website looks like a 13 year old girls facebook page. :/
mr. durden
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i noticed he is going to triclamp parts... so in some ways his unit is becoming more like the terp anyway. so the question might be, why not just buy from specialized, get a better design, and save yourself a grip of cash? or build one yourself?
RegisPhilburn1
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Ya Durden im thinking about getting one of the 2.5# models and modifying it to feed bottom up like the terp. Its pretty much the only place i know of to get the 12X12 spools right now since glacier tanks is out till april. If harvest wasnt right around the corner i would wait, but right now time is my most limiting variable.
Can anybody who has the 2.5# model post some more detailed pictures of the unit? What does the inside of the collection chamber look like? is there a dip tube?
Can anybody who has the 2.5# model post some more detailed pictures of the unit? What does the inside of the collection chamber look like? is there a dip tube?
mr. durden
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i hear ya on time. i'm not sure what the price is on it, but someone told me around 5k which is fucking ridiculous.
why not get or make two terps? we are building our second one and will have a total of 9 tubes between them. we can easily run 6-9 tubes a day per system without heat. i average about 160-190g per packed tube. so if need be we could run about 7lbs a day. you can build it yourself for under a grand each, 1500 for two appions, 150 for a vac pump, 250 for two 50lb hvac tanks, figure another 200 for hoses and misc.
i'm not even sure a 12x12 spool is safe to use as i heard about deflection. i can't imagine running a big tube that has 2.5 to 5 lbs of material would be efficient in terms of yield. if you notice, GW splits the 5lb unit into 2 tubes as they discovered you couldn't efficiently extract from a big column.... or something like that.
the biggest thing would be finding a welder, but that was surprisingly easy and they always know the good machine shops.
i just put an order in at glacier and spent under 700 while using a 6x12 tank and 3 extra tubes plus everything else needed.
why not get or make two terps? we are building our second one and will have a total of 9 tubes between them. we can easily run 6-9 tubes a day per system without heat. i average about 160-190g per packed tube. so if need be we could run about 7lbs a day. you can build it yourself for under a grand each, 1500 for two appions, 150 for a vac pump, 250 for two 50lb hvac tanks, figure another 200 for hoses and misc.
i'm not even sure a 12x12 spool is safe to use as i heard about deflection. i can't imagine running a big tube that has 2.5 to 5 lbs of material would be efficient in terms of yield. if you notice, GW splits the 5lb unit into 2 tubes as they discovered you couldn't efficiently extract from a big column.... or something like that.
the biggest thing would be finding a welder, but that was surprisingly easy and they always know the good machine shops.
i just put an order in at glacier and spent under 700 while using a 6x12 tank and 3 extra tubes plus everything else needed.
i run a 12x12 spool with a 6x48 column. Up here in mendo we grow huge. i get 12-20% in about about an hour and a half. A 4x 48" column holds about 3.5-4 lbs max. my 6" tube rips and i can blow through 40 lbs a day. the bhogart is a simple system. a monkey could operate. one simple rule to live by is KISS keep it simple stupid. the bhogart is real user friendly and easy to operate. The bigger tubes yield great and save me so much time
furrywall11
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the bhogart is easy... however, this monkey can only do two 4.5lb runs a day... he finds thats after packing the tube, cleaning the gaskets, vac test, initial shower- 30 mins, continuous shower-45 mins, cold recovery-75 mins, breaking everything down and scooping out the oil, it takes about 4.5 hours x two so 9 hours which is a full day unless you're pushing it, imho..
furrywall11
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a couple things tho; the bhogart can be made from parts purchased at glacier tanks and yellow jacket- there are only two welds- on the lid to the column and where the column connects to the extraction pot. so, not custom. i imagine that's why he sells them so cheap, because as soon as you buy it you realize you could've made it yourself. and it is inexpensive when you consider the tammy and all the other products on the market, except the terp. the custom tank is big enough, i fit 40 cans in there, could probably fit more. the five hoses naturally keep themselves untangled because of how they hang from the manifold- never got in my way. if you do a cold recovery to -5-10hg there are a few cans of butane left in the oil and you can pour the whole lot into your pyrex or whatever- the extraction pot is heavy at around 45lbs but no problem really.
why not build your own system yourself? delegation of responibility - bhogart dude built this and if i need help i call him. that's worth bank especially if you already work full time on other projects.
why not build your own system yourself? delegation of responibility - bhogart dude built this and if i need help i call him. that's worth bank especially if you already work full time on other projects.
mr. durden
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we do quality over quantity. we aren't selling 5 buck grams or purging in toaster ovens furry. and my cycles are 25 min start to finish. see, i don't have to scrape oil, but you do with your ghetto system. sorry you blew 5k on it
sorry your math is off... but two systems running for 4.5 hours at the same time is still 4.5 hours. and unless you aren't cleaning your system, all those times apply to you to. don't get butt hurt cause you spent a ton of money and someone is criticizing it. it is only a matter of time before the bhogart guy copies more and more of the terp, even if only to size it up. the terp and its iterations are a great design, simple to use, and uses off the shelf parts.
so cheap? someone telling me they run 5k for the 5lb unit isn't cheap.
sorry your math is off... but two systems running for 4.5 hours at the same time is still 4.5 hours. and unless you aren't cleaning your system, all those times apply to you to. don't get butt hurt cause you spent a ton of money and someone is criticizing it. it is only a matter of time before the bhogart guy copies more and more of the terp, even if only to size it up. the terp and its iterations are a great design, simple to use, and uses off the shelf parts.
so cheap? someone telling me they run 5k for the 5lb unit isn't cheap.
furrywall11
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wow, once again, point by point, hopefully this time you won't blow a gasket, spout unverified nonsense and, try to personally insult me. this doesn't have to be a bhogart camp vs terp camp scenario.
you don't have to scrape with the bhogart. it's easy to pour off your oil with butane in it. i explained how to do that in my last post. also, you're implying that the only way to get a quality product is to pour off the butane with a cold extraction - not true. go look at the hundreds of videos on youtube. How is my math off? i never said i have two systems. i run 1 system for 4.5 hours (includes cleaning) 2 x per day = 9 hours.
you don't have to scrape with the bhogart. it's easy to pour off your oil with butane in it. i explained how to do that in my last post. also, you're implying that the only way to get a quality product is to pour off the butane with a cold extraction - not true. go look at the hundreds of videos on youtube. How is my math off? i never said i have two systems. i run 1 system for 4.5 hours (includes cleaning) 2 x per day = 9 hours.
mr. durden
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i really don't see how it is a competition. the IIIa is cheaper by far even when purchased through specialized, better designed, shaken down and improved in little ways, not proprietary,etc.
the tami is expensive, slow, doesn't hold much, proprietary, but you can leave it be without keeping an eye on it. i believe the GW people did design a cheaper version, but i didn't follow that thread much.
then there is the bhogart. sure, it can hold up to 5lbs, i believe comes with various tube sizes, uses an inefficient design, way expensive, uses too small recovery hoses, overly complicated hose design with inefficiencies built into it, a way too small and custom butane tank (why not use something cheap like a 50lb mastercool?), and uses 4 pieces of all thread to secure collection vessel. now i realize he is copying the GW design by using tri clamp products. although i understand using the bhogart design with 12" spools introduces unsafe amounts of deflection.
on the topic of processing 40 lbs a day... no big name oil makers process anywhere near 40lbs a day. it sounds amazing, but there isn't quality associated with it. we have a rather extensive purging room and we might be able to handle 10lbs of trim. and really, if you were processing 40lbs of material in a day, you wouldn't be fucking with some janky setup like he has.
