Should Machine Rooted Clones be Dipped?

[OvergrowDaWorld]

A If overgrowDAworld wants to replace words like "the" with "da" and then come around bringing newbie knowledge to the table he can do that. I know da knowledge dat nobody knows lol.

I think I tried to use "The" but was 1 letter to long to use that name or something like that. Didnt mean to offend anyone. I liked the effort Sooper put into this thread and I felt like you guys were attacking him and bringing this thread into a dark place of useless arguing.
Again...thank you for teaching me the truth about roots.

 

[Crooked8]

Im not attacking anyone. Sorry guys. Didnt mean to come off like that if I did. I thought I read that in a grow bible...maybe Jorge's?
I thought the fine white hairs served to feed the main roots through oxygen and mineral uptake.
Im wrong about the roots functions, thanks for correcting me Crooked8 and Snype.
I appreciate the info you put up. I was wrong. I guess its been along time since I read into that grow bible. I must have misunderstood about the function of furry roots vs noodle roots.
I do feel better having 2 different types of roots on my clones though. Whether it makes a difference or not. Thanx again for all the helpfull info.
Im that much closer to being a better gardener.

All good brother. I cracked an egg of knowledge open. Ive had many cracked on me and its a great thing.

 

[Crooked8]

I never attacked i only defended smurph

 

[aligee]

Anyone try Azos in there aero cloner? i usually run the pool shock recipe , but at the moment trying Azos in cloner, cut dipped in hormex 60 sec. + 200 to 300 ppm worth of flora nova bloom and have roots in 5 days, no scraping, or splitting ,no angle cut, temps between 85 f-90f with no slime visible, from my understanding Cyanobacteria feeds off of nitrates & nitrites anyone familiar with that?

either way good thread ive been following along since you started it!

 

[Snype]

Anyone try Azos in there aero cloner? i usually run the pool shock recipe , but at the moment trying Azos in cloner, cut dipped in hormex 60 sec. + 200 to 300 ppm worth of flora nova bloom and have roots in 5 days, no scraping, or splitting ,no angle cut, temps between 85 f-90f with no slime visible, from my understanding Cyanobacteria feeds off of nitrates & nitrites anyone familiar with that?
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either way good thread ive been following along since you started it!

Glad that you showed those roots that you don't score and they are coming from everywhere on the stem like mine! Thanks for the information and I believe you are right with Cyanobacteria and Nitrates.

 

[SooperSmurph]

Cyanobacteria are amazing creatures who are able to fix both Nitrogen and Carbon, which imo is why they're so resistant to bleaching, I haven't had serious problems with them since I switched my disinfectant over to concentrated hydrogen peroxide. A cool fact, Spirulina, the super food, is made from Cyanobacteria, just NOT the species that infects our machines.

On the ongoing root formation discussion, the above picture doesn't do much to further anyone's case imo, since the camera is focused on the digital timer, leaving the image of the stem unclear.

 

[aligee]

Glad that you showed those roots that you don't score and they are coming from everywhere on the stem like mine! Thanks for the information and I believe you are right with Cyanobacteria and Nitrates.

Yes Sir Snype been following you for awhile hats off to you and all your wealth of knowledge my friend! im thinking and its just a thought but can this nitrogen fixing bacteria (Azospirillum Brasilense) be what we all need to combat slime in our cloners? in the fish world they also sell a different >species< ( i think thats what its called) of nitrogen fixing bacteria to combat cyanobacteria, after comparing the two it kinda all started making sense,to try n eliminate their food source, ive also seen that there are nitrate/nitrate test kits to measure amounts in water,

 

[Snype]

Cyanobacteria are amazing creatures who are able to fix both Nitrogen and Carbon, which imo is why they're so resistant to bleaching, I haven't had serious problems with them since I switched my disinfectant over to concentrated hydrogen peroxide.

On the ongoing root formation discussion, the above picture doesn't do much to further anyone's case imo, since the camera is focused on the digital timer, leaving the image of the stem unclear.

Yeah he must be lying to us then. One day you will face the facts. Just because you can't get those results without scraping doesn't mean that everyone is lying to you. Maybe you should learn how it's done instead and further your knowledge. Good thread though and you seem pretty smart so appreciate the thread!

 

[SooperSmurph]

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Didn't say anyone was lying, said that was a blurry photo which doesn't help further my theory or yours.

 

[aligee]

Yes Sir Snype been following you for awhile hats off to you and all your wealth of knowledge my friend! im thinking and its just a thought but can this nitrogen fixing bacteria (Azospirillum Brasilense) be what we all need to combat slime in our cloners? in the fish world they also sell a different >species< ( i think thats what its called) of nitrogen fixing bacteria to combat cyanobacteria, after comparing the two it kinda all started making sense,to try n eliminate their food source, ive also seen that there are nitrate/nitrate test kits to measure amounts in water,

Crap i5 cam, heres a lil better pic,

Im just here to observe and learn a thing or two Peace! Good thread SooperSmurf

 

[Snype]

Yes Sir Snype been following you for awhile hats off to you and all your wealth of knowledge my friend! im thinking and its just a thought but can this nitrogen fixing bacteria (Azospirillum Brasilense) be what we all need to combat slime in our cloners? in the fish world they also sell a different >species< ( i think thats what its called) of nitrogen fixing bacteria to combat cyanobacteria, after comparing the two it kinda all started making sense,to try n eliminate their food source, ive also seen that there are nitrate/nitrate test kits to measure amounts in water,

I don't want to get into too many things in someone else's thread but it will be good to do more research and tests with your ideas. I can see it being useful if you already have Cyanobacteria but why not just kill it for good with Erythromycin? That's not a question for you to answer here but just a question for you to think about. Also we would have to look at what exactly is in the product that you speak of and how does that product relate to human health. This is why I sanitize my cloners with Erythromycin before I place any cuttings into the cloner. After that the Cyanobacteria is completely gone unless I place contaminated water back into the cloner. So if your tap water is infested with Chlorine Resistant Cyanobacteria, you would either have to find another source of water or do some testing with the product that you are speaking of as well as some research. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!

 

[aligee]

I don't want to get into too many things in someone else's thread but it will be good to do more research and tests with your ideas. I can see it being useful if you already have Cyanobacteria but why not just kill it for good with Erythromycin? That's not a question for you to answer here but just a question for you to think about. Also we would have to look at what exactly is in the product that you speak of and how does that product relate to human health. This is why I sanitize my cloners with Erythromycin before I place any cuttings into the cloner. After that the Cyanobacteria is completely gone unless I place contaminated water back into the cloner. So if your tap water is infested with Chlorine Resistant Cyanobacteria, you would either have to find another source of water or do some testing with the product that you are speaking of as well as some research. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!

Would love to continue this discussion else where for sure
been wanting to share this info, lots of reading i do researching different sources, but good idea snype, i also use r/o water.

 

[SooperSmurph]

Call me biased, but those pictures seem to be displaying the phenomena i've been describing.

Areas of the stem which are uncompromised are free of root growth.

Areas of the stem which seem to have lost some outer bark or areas which were former nodes seem to be shooting out roots.

That's what the above (very nice for an iphone, btw!) looks like to me.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

The roots seem to be growing from the top node down, on 1 side, as if, when he pulled off the leaf and tiny node, it peeled the outer bark off the entire side of the stem.
I do that on purpose when taking cuts.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

Heres my roots ~

 

[SooperSmurph]

The roots seem to be growing from the top node down, on 1 side, as if, when he pulled off the leaf and tiny node, it peeled the outer bark off the entire side of the stem.
I do that on purpose when taking cuts.

Ty, this is exactly the practice I was referring to when I was originally commenting on Snype's images, it often happens without intention, but many people like you and I prefer it to happen, because it exposes a layer that is prone to creating root cells.

 

[Snype]

Ty, this is exactly the practice I was referring to when I was originally commenting on Snype's images, it often happens without intention, but many people like you and I prefer it to happen, because it exposes a layer that is prone to creating root cells.

Smurph don't jump to conclusions with no data. Personally I cut the leaves off the plant with a clean cut with the scissors. Why don't you just try it for yourself with a sterile cloner and see the results? You got nothing to lose. I don't know why it's so hard for you to believe. I will take a close up of bumps forming on my cuttings for you soon so you can see what it looks like up close.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

OK. Your right! We believe you! You dont need to score the bark on cuts to get bumbs faster. We understand.
Why is it so hard for you to believe that Sooper and I both get bumps faster when we score a couple sides of the stem?
Do you need to?.....NO! Do we like to do it....YES!
LOL! Just messin with ya Snype.

 

[Crooked8]

I just took a bunch if cuts. Lightly scarping the outside of each stem, basically a light score im wondering how it will do. 10ml of thrive alive, 10 ml of sm-90 and some cal mag. I also dip in root tech gel. Ph in ro water to 6.0. I usually get 95+% this time i barely scored and i cleaned THE FUCK out of my cloner and added a brand new air pump and two 8 imch air stones.

 

[Snype]

2.5 days in the cloner. No scoring at all, clean cuts to the leaves. 3 mL SuperTHRIVE, 20 mL Micro, 30 mL Bloom. No tricks at all. Explain this one:

I'm telling you, try it out for yourself!