The Real Reason The Federal Government Is Coming Around On Marijuana Legalization

[Weird]

We should be leery of anything politicians do, however I am fine with being a criminal for the rest of my life if cultivating cannabis is a crime.

The good news is that the vast majority of Merikans don't grow or distribute so legalization will keep them out of cages. A great first step in my opinion.

the same segment of society will be going to jail

before legalization marijuana cultivation and distribution generated revues for the lower and middle class

now the government legalizes with regulations to get their piece of the pie as if bribery was a necessary facet of lawmaking which in turn empowers big business and the upper class to profit from it removing the middle and lower classes revenue potentials once AGAIN with the same threat of penalty

and all the while the same government that claimed it had no medical benefit patented it based on its medical benefit

i simply argued the proper model would have been making federal medical marijuana provisions as well as complete decriminalization on a federal level. Complete decriminalization voids federal regulation.

this would allow for states to create their own policies regarding medical and recreational and allow for models that could generate tax revenues for local government while empowering those who the demographics they imprisoned in the first place, who did it because they needed medicine and or additional income

being an American who both consciously objects to unjust laws through civil disobedience but who also contributes to and has an equal right to justice in this country I think being happy with bone is great if your a dog

im not a dog

I deserve liberty as much as the dude who doesn't grow or distribute and interestingly enough my observations are manifesting into reality

 

[Hydrosun]

The real solution would be to treat it as all other flowers, fruits, and nuts are treated. Anything different is rewarding that bribery you mentioned.

 

[LilMan72003]

The real solution would be to treat it as all other flowers, fruits, and nuts are treated. Anything different is rewarding that bribery you mentioned.

We don't consume flowers, fruits, and nuts for their psychoactive properties (mostly). Cannabis is still an intoxicant, among another things, and needs to be regulated as such.

 

[Jhhnn]

the same segment of society will be going to jail

before legalization marijuana cultivation and distribution generated revues for the lower and middle class

now the government legalizes with regulations to get their piece of the pie as if bribery was a necessary facet of lawmaking which in turn empowers big business and the upper class to profit from it removing the middle and lower classes revenue potentials once AGAIN with the same threat of penalty

and all the while the same government that claimed it had no medical benefit patented it based on its medical benefit

i simply argued the proper model would have been making federal medical marijuana provisions as well as complete decriminalization on a federal level. Complete decriminalization voids federal regulation.

this would allow for states to create their own policies regarding medical and recreational and allow for models that could generate tax revenues for local government while empowering those who the demographics they imprisoned in the first place, who did it because they needed medicine and or additional income

being an American who both consciously objects to unjust laws through civil disobedience but who also contributes to and has an equal right to justice in this country I think being happy with bone is great if your a dog

im not a dog

I deserve liberty as much as the dude who doesn't grow or distribute and interestingly enough my observations are manifesting into reality

I think you make legit points. OTOH, legalization won't happen w/o some concessions to big money. Not that I like it- I merely say it the way I see it.

The fact that cannabis is illegal is what makes it more profitable than, say, tomatoes. That's true for underground growers in this country as much as it is for farmers in Morocco or Lebanon.

Here in Colorado, legalization undercuts the customer base of underground growers more than anything else. If they want to stay in the business, they'll either need to undercut the retail price, offer a very elite product, or step up their game to get legal and compete in that arena.

For the average Toker, Colorado legalization will provide an enormous range of benefits. First off, we can carry & grow our own w/o fear of hassles, even if the limitations are less than ideal. It will very likely drive down the price, even with taxation, while selection gets a whole lot better.

While I support the idea that it should be completely legal, we need to remember that there wouldn't be much money at all in it for small growers. Indoor cultivation would become a thing of the past, a quaint relic of the bad old days. Only real farmers would be able to make any money at all from it, measuring cultivation by the acre rather than by the square foot.

 

[Warped1]

Maybe instead of making new laws, we ought to repeal a few regarding cannabis and hemp... no grey areas then

 

[Hydrosun]

We don't consume flowers, fruits, and nuts for their psychoactive properties (mostly). Cannabis is still an intoxicant, among another things, and needs to be regulated as such.

Needs to be???????? Well it wasn't regulated at all from the beginning of time until 80 years ago.

Please help me understand how the human species managed to survive prior to regulation, IF as you claim cannabis NEEDS to be regulated.

 

[soil margin]

Maybe instead of making new laws, we ought to repeal a few regarding cannabis and hemp... no grey areas then

True dat bro. I don't see any reason why people growing cannabis should be subject to any more rules or regulations than people growing tomatoes and bell peppers.

Instead of uselessly trying to create and pass new good laws, lets just get rid of the bad old laws already on the books.

 

[soil margin]

We don't consume flowers, fruits, and nuts for their psychoactive properties (mostly). Cannabis is still an intoxicant, among another things, and needs to be regulated as such.

Why is it any of yours or the governments business what I choose to grow and use as an intoxicant?

If someone is trying to sell a product like cannabis as a medicine in a public setting, sure, some regulation should be mandatory, the same way we have regulation over farms and restaurants, but it is not the job of the government or anyone else to come onto private property and attempt to dictate when, where, how, or what I choose to cultivate for personal use.

 

[Bongstar420]

I believe an appropriate interpretation of the Constitution would effectively relegate the feds to busting for selling falsely labeled merchandise with respect to drugs since the federal government really. After all, the commerce clause is the only place that alcohol prohibition could be legally effected on the federal level. I do not think the supreme court hears prohibition challenges based on accurate empirical evidence (there are no drugs that are as dangerous as anthrax or plutonium and therefore the feds cannot legally institute a prohibition on them). All federal intervention acts on behalf of drug prohibition are predicated on the assumption that the victim (the person(s) being apprehended by the feds for drugs) is effecting interstate commerce. Find me a case of federal prosecution that did not fundamentally require the assumption that the victim is effecting interstate commerce in some manner and I will give you 50 seeds of my Bright Moments cross (Ive got a couple decent ones to pick from) or $50 (this is a first past the post challenge- only one winner).

 

[C. Breeze]

The federal government is already experiencing unprecedented budget deficits. They definitely don't have the resources to start an anti-cannabis campaign across multiple states.

Hahahaha. Pursuing cannabis isn't an expenditure. It's a revenue generator. I'm way more concerned about underfunded Feds than I am Feds who are fat dumb and happy. Same with local Leo's.

 

[headband 707]

Personally I couldn't give TWO SHITS what the FEDS have to say about anything lol.. just me.. stay frosty headband 707

 

[pappy masonjar]

I was thinking... cannabis was made illegal not to interfere with all the paper business right. ie. Randolph hurst


now, paper is dead for the most part. and there is room for cannabis industry.

it makes perfect sense. and im feeling positive about all this.

Harry Anslinger worked for Andrew Mellon. Harry was the Commisioner of Narcotics, in the Bureau of Narcotics, which was part of the treasury Department, headed by Andrew Mellon. And Andrew Mellon would lose a lot of (personal) money if weed was legal, and the true medicinal and other properties were know. Hence, Harry Anslinger started calling it "Majijuana, and saying it was a drug hispanics used, and then raped white women.

The paper thing prolly didnt help either. Because your right, hemp is a much better option for paper production. But im thinking that Big PHARMA had a lot more to lose than the paper industry. At least in terms of Dollars and Cents.


Here's a couple of harry's quotes

There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.

Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men.

The worst part is those aren't even the worst one's. And this guy effectively, single handedly criminalized Cannabis.

 

[Warped1]

Follow the money trail, they now understand they can make a shitload more money by taxing, regulating and creating a cannabis industry then they can to jail the likes of us.

The gov could give two shits about us as humans, they see the revenue.

Nah what's going to happen is they'll regulate and tax us, and then jail us for growing our own. We will never be allowed to grow our own legally.....so I'll still be an outlaw. Collect seeds folks..make your own and don't ever stop buying them..keep this thing going

 

[Jhhnn]

Nah what's going to happen is they'll regulate and tax us, and then jail us for growing our own. We will never be allowed to grow our own legally.....so I'll still be an outlaw. Collect seeds folks..make your own and don't ever stop buying them..keep this thing going

I don't see it that way at all. Here in Colorado, it's now State legal to grow your own within limits. I'm sure that the number of people doing so is quite *large*. judging from the number of growshops that have sprung up.

Who's gonna bust 'em? The Feds? Only if they really do turn into the Gestapo, and I just don't see it happening. They've always depended on the locals for enforcement, and that's gone. Neither the smell of marijuana smoke nor marijuana growing are grounds for a state level search warrant in Colorado. Not anymore. Furthermore, the DoJ has said they won't interfere so long as the State maintains reasonable efforts to control interstate trafficking, and a couple with 6 flowering plants in the basement doesn't rise to something that might interest them.

If we look past the end of our noses, we realize that the Feds will have a tough time finding a jury that will convict anybody obeying Colorado law, particularly given that federal juries are drawn heavily from metro Denver, where the vote ran 2:1 in favor of A64. They don't even want to go there. Jury nullification is their worst nightmare, and they'll avoid it at almost any cost. I figure anybody who scrupulously stays Colorado legal has little to worry about. It's like worrying about getting hit by a meteorite.

We'll see how it works out, but I figure it'll be way too late to turn back when 2017 rolls around, even if the Party in power changes. So long as we do it well, other states will fall like dominoes between now & then.

 

[Warped1]

I agree Jhhnn, but only after greed is removed from the equation, and I hope it get's to that point