The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[milkyjoe]

show some knowledge then...how come you don't have them. you are not convincing me of anything

 

[stickyicky009]

...show some knowledge

here's an interesting link http://extension.umass.edu/floricul...-manual/pest-management-proper-use-pesticides

btw.. i don't have a degree in botany .. im just a mad scientist

 

[milkyjoe]

my personal opinion is that you should let a plant die before you use a pesticide. insects collect the garbage...you grew a garbage plant and it belongs to the insects. learn to grow better.

you got a sick plant...do you even want to consume that, would you want your kids to...then you poison it and consume the poison.

not me.

 

[milkyjoe]

Milky Joe entire cities have em! Take the bed bug infestation similar situation or crabs on the ocean floor. If you got em and cant get rid of em they aint going anywhere you are! Growers cant sustain loses very long so well see whos the fool!

did you quit. tell me about the vibrational frequency of the elements and how, in harmony, they do not attract insects. Tell me about the N component.

cmon mr botanist. or are you merely trolling.

 

[OrganicBuds]

Org.Buds,

did he bestow any additional knowledge that could be shared? any little bit of information that people can take and decide to use or not helps for sure. i have a growth and care schedule that i worked out from some people, but i just dont have the time to do it. working 2 jobs and having a small garden an hour away is tough enough as it is, but knowing what is out there still keeps me motivated.

DM.

He dropped a lot of knowledge on me, and some I can share for sure. The coolest concept he had was harvesting your crop by the harvest moons. He said plants go in and out of growth spurts, about 3-4 in flower. The bud swells, then the hairs grow long, then swells ext. This coincides with the harvest moons, and your product reaches full potency during the harvest moons.

That idea shows me the knowledge passed from generation to generation. This isn't some degree in botany that gave him this knowledge, it was oral history. Don't get me wrong, modern day botany is a great place for anybody to learn about the plant we all love and grow. All I am saying is our ancestors didn't go to college, and they did some amazing things. It's nice some of that information is relevant, and not lost.

Another small tip he gave me (which I would like to hear others opinions on) was using a flushing product like ClearEx at the end of the season. He knows I grow organically, and I thought with organics you don't have to flush. I have always watered with pure water for weeks before harvests, but he said use ClearEx next time. He went into how even organics can get salts and ferts in your plants, and the flushing products removes the salts, and replaces with sugars. He told me I will notice a sweeter smoother product.

 

[stickyicky009]

my personal opinion is that you should let a plant die before you use a pesticide.

^^ how about using a set of organic insecticide , fungicide & leaf polish products ?

keep in mind we're talking agriculture ,, u dont wanna spray the plant,, dont spray it .. but if there's mildew or mites in all of the surroundings and are left untreated ,,in my opinion ,, they will spread

i think what the botanist is trying to say ,,,with all the wrong words ,,, is that most people simply dont know how to properly use insecticide , fungicide & leaf polish products and they become less efective over time because ot this

 

[Seahawk junkie]

Milkyjoe you are a perfect example of why I will not waste 1 more minute on this! Obviously you don't respect knowledge even when it comes from UC Davis top 5 school where did you get your degree? yes I'm gonna quit nothing more to say! I'm merely trolling! Not gonna stir up any more shit on the net!

 

[stickyicky009]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IdEhvuNxV8

 

[OrganicBuds]

Seahawk - My dad graduated from Davis as a AG major. He would laugh at how you write, you sound like a 4th grader. Your use of exclamation points worries me, are you going to be ok?

 

[Seahawk junkie]

Sticky that is wat im trying to say with all the wrong words but it goes way beyond that! Its the entire industry!!!!!! Adios

 

[NorcalBob]

I've been knocking it out of the park year after year, and of course I've dealt with mites. Who hasn't? Anyone whose got a cut from someone/somewhere inherently has a chance to bring them home. The only way can you get around bringing them home is by growing from seed. Also keeping healthy plants and preventive measures that will win out most times.

I don't understand what I was suppose to bring up? I cant control what others do, I can only plot my own course and hope it's smooth sailing. Was I suppose to scream from the highest mountain, "THE BORGE ARE HERE FOR YOUR KOLAS!". The use of Forbid, Avid and flormite in a rotation work wonders if your fighting them or as a preventive, spraying in veg of course. Same with the use of Eagle 20 for dealing with PM, will that be the next BIG Killer of Cali's ag industry after we knock this pesky mites out?

 

[Carlos Danger]

my personal opinion is that you should let a plant die before you use a pesticide. insects collect the garbage...you grew a garbage plant and it belongs to the insects. learn to grow better.

you got a sick plant...do you even want to consume that, would you want your kids to...then you poison it and consume the poison.

not me.

Milky, I just gotta disagree. You're reducing the complexity of the world down to a staggering level of simplicity. I'm an organic head but I feel your world view is misguided.

NorCal: Eagle20 is for ornamental plants. It was never intended for use on plants which are consumed, and certainly not for combusted consumption. There are better ways to deal with issues than resorting to dangerous chemicals never intended for anything but ornamental use.

 

[theJointedOne]

"Originally Posted by milkyjoe View Post
my personal opinion is that you should let a plant die before you use a pesticide. insects collect the garbage...you grew a garbage plant and it belongs to the insects. learn to grow better.

you got a sick plant...do you even want to consume that, would you want your kids to...then you poison it and consume the poison.

not me."

couldnt agree more bro.

dr purpur your last post was xclnt as well allso.

happy gardening!

 

[Carlos Danger]

Neem drops dead in any sort of frost conditions, otherwise we'd have them all over I suspect.

 

[milkyjoe]

Not from the world world famous UC Davis but

http://bionutrient.org/audio/2013_soil_nutrition_conference/2-Crop-HEALTH-Transitions-John-Kempf.pdf

John Kempf's take on plant health. I know for a fact nutrition alone with beat root aphids...never seen a broad mite, but when I do my plan will be a simple one

 

[Dr. Purpur]

Chopping block

Chopping block

My first fully ripe plant. Jacobs ladder is coming down in a few minutes. Had a cup of coffee, and just had a bong hit of some of Kangas Mullim mixed with NH for energy and to get me " all in to it" .
Fat ,super early, dense, donkey dong colas.

Have a great day all!

 

[Carlos Danger]

Good harvesting, doc! Just starting to get that mirror glisten here.

 

[Cep]

Sticky that is wat im trying to say with all the wrong words but it goes way beyond that! Its the entire industry!!!!!! Adios

Goodbye and thank you for contributing nothing to this thread.

Getting a degree in botany has little to do with growing cannabis. I say this because I have one and it required a bunch of systematics or taxonomy courses. It's somewhat of a dying science. Plant phys and a few other courses teach the basics. The rest of what I know came from this forum (a humble thank you to those who take time out of their busy days to contribute knowledge). Smells like a troll.

To confirm statements about nutrient density made recently here:

My brix for most of the season was hovering between 14.5 and 17. I didn't see a single mite until yesterday. Took some measurements and sure as shit my brix dropped to 10. I'm not getting my panties in a bunch because the plants are still doing very well. My weather here turns south quick and those new visitors to my plot won't fare well when it does anyway.

A few questions if anyone can answer:

Ever used mycostop as a foliar for botrytis prevention?

How often are you guys spraying spinosad and is it a pH specific product. I couldn't find anything about pH on the label...

 

[DungeonMaster]

He dropped a lot of knowledge on me, and some I can share for sure. The coolest concept he had was harvesting your crop by the harvest moons. He said plants go in and out of growth spurts, about 3-4 in flower. The bud swells, then the hairs grow long, then swells ext. This coincides with the harvest moons, and your product reaches full potency during the harvest moons.

good one. Org.Buds. i will have to give that a go this year. i usually look at the buds near the flowering time for each strain under a microscope to see when the trichomes are the most milky. going with the harvest moon seems to coincide way more with centuries of hands on work. if wouldnt be called the harvest moon otherwise i suspect. i will give the flushing a try this year as well.

at this point i feel i am only still toying around with the true potential that i can achieve with the plants. a lot of is capital and time based. once i save up some dough and can quit a job i would really like to put all this knowledge to work. thanks again.

DM

 

[FatherEarth]

Seahawk is a bioterrorist that works for the GOV and Big Pharma. They let loose the broad mites on the regions where the most ganja is produced in an effort to try and take the market before everything goes legit. They want to control it all, and the best way is to put famers out of business. Seahawk fiend you dont make any sense. There are droves of conventional farmers who lack the knowledge to produce healthy crops this is why they farm veggies/fruit the way they do. MJ is no exception. This thread is full of the 1% who know whats up. Although now there are more newbs just learning here than ever, the base here comes from good organics. You are much better off taking your comments somewhere like the hydro forum. We are at a pivotal point in agriculture right now. There is a younger generation of farmers that are taking over with the best of the old knowledge combined with the new x technology.. Resistance to change is futile, evolve or get left behind.

For the record healthy plants dont get sick or have infestations. Milkyjoe is saying get your soil right and your plants wont need life support to make it to harvest. Throw away your insecticide and dial your soil/knowledge.

http://bionutrient.org/

http://advancingecoag.com/