Is Pot lawful in australia?

[gaiusmarius]

are there any successes on record of someone implementing the fee schedule on a cop when he was stopped for no real reason? seems an interesting idea, by presenting him with a notice fee schedule, it's like telling the cop, hey if you mess with me illegally this is what my time costs and you will be getting the bill accordingly. kinda seems like it would be full proof as long as the cop can not come up with probable cause for the stop.

 

[greenbeen]

I also wanna know if you had 1 pound of dryed MJ in the car would that would as well? would they be scared to search you even if you were smoking a j before they pulled you over? or even if you were on your way to a customer would that be consider a trade? or would they have to get you in the middle of a trade in the car to get ya?
but what he said above

 

[hard rain]

I have contempt fpr men whop have achieved nothing and lecture those that have.

no i dont smoke pot . I just grow it.
I'm a beer man.
Pot doesnt agree with my constitution..
Also grow tobacco, which I do smoke.

I want you to focus very carefully. Are you ready?
What is your motivation?
To reinforce the lies of government that we must do what they tell us to do?

If a man gets busted, which we never anticipate, I will stand behind him if he wants me to. And i will free him lawfully, And unconditionally. Because he has the right to grow and sell pot.

If he believes you, he should get ready to go to prison.\\

Correct?

theres no man in the British commonwealth , as far as I know who had grown pot openly in his yard.
Got busted , for a killo or 2 and maybe 100 plants.
And walked out opf court without conviction. Besides me.
(walked out of court 3 times in 2 states. Because they did not want to touch the issue)


If I was here theorising I could understand the oppostion.


Your moticvation that you "care about how the cannbis community is perceived by the general public" is bizzare


frankly i think you're a shill.

Men dont think theyre going to get busted, however it does happen.

And they can either go to prison by following Hardrain's advice.
\Or go home following mine.

Only policemen want marijuana growers in gaol.

and the fruits of your posts are to convince men to go to prison.

they are already. they don't need your help.

So you don't even use pot but grow it?

I am interested in history, politics, social issues, law, amongst many other things. I am motivated if I see people posting up stuff that I know not to be right (i.e. some of the historical stuff you put up). This thread was interesting to me therefore I looked into it. I hate seeing things like this that are so inaccurate being given free reign on a cannabis site as this reflects on the whole community.

Don't blame me if your arguments, history, and statements are so flimsy they can be pulled apart by a 5 minute google search.

Frankly we only have your word that you have walked out of court, what 3 times? Thought it was 2?

Of course I don't believe anyone should go to prison for anything to do with pot. I believe that change comes through changing legislation.

I believe that you and GE are using this site for you own agenda's. I am not sure what your motivation is; perhaps you make money defending people? I don't know. The fact that neither of you are cannabis users, yet you are on a cannabis site makes me wonder.

If you don't directly address me with anything else I will leave the thread alone.

 

[isaih520]

What I think youre doing is undermining a mens rea defence. Should someone read this thread and see the sense of it. (Which I have written over several weeks fully acknowleding liability for publishing my advice on a public forum.)

if anyone reads this thread and believes it. and acts on it. That in and of itself means you can't be convicted of a crime for growing pot.

Strange as that may seem. So read it, believe it and act on it. and then blame me if the treason defence fails. Because I 100% convinced you that the bible is real law and the bible gives you the right to grow pot .
It is therefore not only not criminal. But your right enshrined in law.
You have no guilty mind.
thus the importance of my saying this is lawful advice, and I will stand behind it. Or in other words, you can blame me if it fails and bring me into court as being responsible for your actions.

and the police or whoever that monitors this site know exactly who i am. And i have my email here if you want to know.

Mens rea is Latin for "guilty mind".[1] In criminal law, it is viewed as one of the necessary elements of some crimes. The standard common law test of criminal liability is usually expressed in the Latin phrase, actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea, which means "the act is not culpable unless the mind is guilty". Thus, in jurisdictions with due process, there must be an actus reus, or "guilty act," accompanied by some level of mens rea to constitute the crime with which the defendant is charged (see the technical requirement of concurrence). As a general rule, criminal liability does not attach to a person who acted with the absence of mental fault. The exception is strict liability crimes.

(look i used wiki so it must be true http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea)


If it was up to the police theyd put me in prison and throw away the key.
But the police dont have that power.
Theyre nobodies in the law.
They have to con us into believing its a crime and then when the decision is made in court, youve sold yourself out by believing in the police bullshit.

Dont believe them. It is not a crime.

 

[hoffman25]

Isiah-

could you explain a bit further how the KJV bible has effect in
oz laws?

 

[GeneralExecutor]

... and if someone could explain this too please, anyone who is a Christian would be great, Jesus spoken words are in red print/text, from the KJV:

(Pharisees are what we now today as the taxman)

Mat 22:15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.
Mat 22:16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.
Mat 22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
Mat 22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
Mat 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Mat 22:22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Rom 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
Rom 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Rom 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
Rom 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
Rom 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[GeneralExecutor]

We shall respond to the last quote in our previous post for the benefit of our brother hoffman.

could you explain a bit further how the KJV bible has effect in oz laws?

In reference to Mat 22:35-40 in our previous post, to "HANG" anything, means to stand over it, because anything which is hung has its hanging-point above its CENTRE of mass, therefore, whatever its hanging-point is/represents, stands OVER the majority of that which it hangs, therefore, that which is hung, UNDERSTANDS it, ie, is subordinate to its "hanger" or that which hangs it.

Effectively, what this single small phrase is saying is that ALL LAW (that means everything termed as "law", be it positive law, true law, natural law, statutory law, etcetera all) is derived from this simple and fundamental priciple spoken to us all by and in the true Jesus's own words:

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.".

NOTE WELL, that the words "Jesus", "Lord" and "God" appear in their Proper-case, NOT in all UPPERCASE letters. Therefore, those words that express WHO those entities are, are NOT all "Capitalized", which in turn means they are NOT fictional entities which any other man or persona can use for profit/capital-gain in commerce - that property is non-transferable, i.e., they are true entities, not fictitious, such as "CHRIST" "MOSES" "LORD" or "GOD" which are the property of whoever it was that originally created them and now their heirs and/or successors/benefactors (ie, the Roman Cult's property, whose military order is today known as the Jesuits).

We would like others herein claiming they are Christians to please explain the other TWO quotes of our previous post, it would be quite interesting, and thanks in advance to anyone who does.

 

[GeneralExecutor]

This is our 51st post, we hope we can NOW PM others herein.

 

[GeneralExecutor]

... and edit our posts...

 

[isaih520]

Isiah-

could you explain a bit further how the KJV bible has effect in
oz laws?

Hoffman, I'll try to put something together with laws that show the bible is foundational law. Beyond my say so.
I found a few a while ago and will try to look where ive stored them.

The gist of whats going on though , if youre a believer, is that we have been incrementally conned over generations to follow the law of Ba'al out of the London temple by satan worshipping freemasons.
Freemasons think lucifer is the real christ, in case you weren't aware.

And this process has become so advanced that even christians believe there is a law higher than the bible they must obey.

and feel foolish standing up for biblical law over parliamentary statutes. Where they conflict.

If you haven't seen The Lamp in the dark, this is a great doco , I found on youtube re: the importance of the bible historically from a protestants point of view.
so you can see the mindset of the men who won the revolution against papal monarchs at the time they made our foundational law.

This is the history most of us were made unaware of.

This is the purpose of the Matrix, to hide this history from us.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNZ-sOzXWEk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNZ-sOzXWEk


And this video explains who has usurped power regarding the law and who they serve

(the temple serving the pope for satan)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oELc3VV7pxo


Both videos are lengthy. 3 hours each.
But if you're curious about the way of the world I highly recommend investing 6 hours of your life.
Knowledge is power

 

[High Country]

I'm sick of having so called "christian" bullshit shoved down my throat.

I'm over it.

That freaking religion has done nothing for this planet except start and promote wars let alone what the child molesting priests have done.

Don't get me started.

 

[gaiusmarius]

I'm sick of having so called "christian" bullshit shoved down my throat.

I'm over it.

That freaking religion has done nothing for this planet except start and promote wars let alone what the child molesting priests have done.

Don't get me started.

the only reason the bible is quoted is because they are talking a strategy to use the bible as a defense for growing.

 

[High Country]

the only reason the bible is quoted is because they are talking a strategy to use the bible as a defense for growing.

The bible and religion are not legislation or laws. They are simple beliefs...of which I do not agree and will never support.

If legalising this shit was as easy as relying on religion the pope would be smoking a bong at the Vatican window.

Maybe he does in the bullet proof enclosed pope mobile when no one is looking?

Shows how popular the bible and pope are if he needs a bullet proof vehicle.

Rant over....shalom.

 

[greenbeen]

so how would one go about getting pulled over by the cops? like in my last post?

 

[GeneralExecutor]

The original Bible/Scriptures is a sacred and divine Constitution of the Kingdom of Heaven/God. All its citizens who are registered by the authorities as such are not obligated by any other Constitution, for their bodies already contain a soul and the spirit of God. Man makes Constitutions of his own which he uses to instill into what he deems "the soulless" which then in turn must serve him once constituted with the author's/grantor's "Will". This is why Constitutions are formed as a form of Temporary Testamentary Trust, also known as a Will.

Welcome to a world you never knew existed right beneath your very nose.

This may all sound strange to you and others HD but we can assure you that this is the case in reality.

The Archbishop of Canterbury holds the Roll of that list and anyone who they deem worthy enough to be placed on it is. Such people are taken OFF the public databases of "the system" and are placed in the private databases which very few minions have access to. Those people are not liable for any form of State taxes or fines but conduct themselves responsibly wherever they go. We, one GeneralExecutor, have written letters for THREE such people in Australia which they presented to their Parish priest and he acted on the matter accordingly, thereby organizing to take those three out of the system after a month long procedure involving the Archbishop of Canterbury and an hour long verbal test where these individuals were grilled on the various meanings of extracts within the Bible. All Priests are actually TRAINED to deal with such people/procedure but will NOT tell anyone that such a process exists. Once a man has realized what the scriptures really mean they will talk to their parish priest about it or to someone else who will know of this process. That is about the only way one gets to now about it, it is not something you will find in wiki etc..

It has already been discussed in this thread that Christianity as you and most others perceive by design it is NOT the true Christianity we talk about. True Christians are not those that seek bloodshed and war, those that do and claim they are Christian are basically what is termed as NEW AGE Christians (created by TV and other brainwashing media), not purist/orthodox type Christians such as the Protestants and other Orthodox Christian faiths. Those that use the word "Christ" to support any form of act of killing another are in fact the opposite of the word of Christ, no matter WHO they seem to be.

Ye shall know them by the fruits they bare.

The words "church" and "religion" do NOT appear anywhere in the Original Scriptures (Old Testament - Geneva 1599).

The word "church" appears over 100 times and the word "religion" 8 times in the original 1611 New Testament KJV.

Keeping in mind that the OT 1599 was the FIRST English interpretation (NOT translation) of the Original Scriptures, 17 years is not that long a time for such sweeping amendments to be made.

The truth can always be found in the seemingly irrelevant.

 

[GeneralExecutor]

so how would one go about getting pulled over by the cops? like in my last post?

GB, do not take this the wrong way. We have already mentioned one paramount prerequisite of establishing competence in law. That is one needs to firstly have reasonably mastered the Queen's English. Going by your previous posts, your manner/ability of expression in English is incoherent at least. We say this by the manner in which you have expressed yourself in your previous posts.

You best learn English expression a lot better than you now know BEFORE moving onto anything LAW.

Nothing against you, but if you express yourself in such manner as you now do when addressing the authorities in any way, you shall NOT succeed in your endeavor to establishing competence before them in anything you try. Others attempting the same thing will succeed and you shall be left wondering why you did not.

We wish we could say it in an easier manner, but being straight is often the best; no offense.

 

[greenbeen]

i take no offence I understand that there is terminology that is relevant in law but since i was born in Canada my English has not been the greatest since i have dyslexia, and my English is not as well as others that were in my school. i still wanna try and protect my self..
we shall start speaking as a king not a subject in the thread if that helps you understand our knowledge in court or what not. but was also looking for easy way to speak, and law is confusing because there is so many laws and for different events which is why it makes it confusing from our understanding. but i have been printing out pages from this and reading ever post well most of them still need to print a few more out.


would there be a book on how to talk like a queen or king? or what terminology to use in court? i know you posted we=me=i and our= my but would there be any very important details that we should all know about? like if none of us has been to court what goes on, and we are very determine to learn law in the way that you both understand it so fluently,
(i know you have to read lots and lots we have read the north American act, constitution act, bill of rights, and maybe some other ones) but, what other ones are more important to understand to put up a battle?

also do you think its possible to get a judge to write down what he or she says and than you would write something to counter that instead of talking? we ask just casue sometimes we hear what we want just like others and that, we believe could be a down fall for many people

(just like the i factor we may not mean to say it but it slips out all the time).
(i also use run on sentences when i don't mean to also) (we)

 

[isaih520]

greenbeans its not about how smart you are, or how good a reader you are.

Its about character.

If you know in your guts that you're nobodies slave, then stand up and say so.

In our real law , they're trying to surplant - the people are soverign.

That would be you. There is no authority you must respect, but god.

You can expect them to test your resolve. dont be bamboozled by legal nonsense.

Just tell them to get stuffed, you dont take orders . Endostory.

Be prepared to cop a beating or 2. And don't keep your money in a bank where they can steal it.


High country would do well to watch the Lamp in the Dark. He seems to be confusing Roman catholicism with christianity.

And these christians you have such disdain for did give you something. they gave you rights. Rights to say that the pope is a prick and priests are kiddy fiddlers.

iF You said what you said here. prior to them accessing those rights for you , you'dve been burned at the stake as a heretic along with millions of other decent white folks.

 

[GeneralExecutor]

GB,

We are not attempting to mimic a king by our manner of expression. We made mention that royalty and the like speak in such manner, but that does not mean that anyone who does is also royalty. We are far from that, very far, and intend to keep it that way.

Speaking in the context of the "3rd person" shows that the speaker is aware of who they truly are in this existence. Unlike the majority who are taught to speak ONLY in the context of the "1st person" by using words such as "I" or "my" which are designed to express a man or being that is SOULLESS and SPIRITLESS. ie, a being that exists only in the PHYSICAL realm, and not simultaneously in the Spiritual and Astral realms, which is the truth. You exist in 3 differing realms/dimensions/spheres simultaneously, NOT just in this physical. The indoctrinated authorities are taught to look for this carefully when addressing/talking with any people. It is part of their indoctrination to treat people who are aware of this better then they treat those who aren't. That simple.

So you wish to learn law you say. We provided you a link in a previous post of a Canadian guy talking about the Canada corporation. That was not a random pick. Did you investigate this bloke's Youtube channel? We would wager you didn't.

Here is another of his videos, watch it, and then GO INTO his channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lppUP5rgKMU

He is a Canadian who knows what is going on in law, he has the solution you seek for Canadians. He can assist you in preparing paperwork to file with the authorities that will alter your legal status to that of INTERNATIONAL jurisdiction. IOW, it will take you OUT of your Federal jurisdiction and you shall no longer be deemed a citizen/slave of the Canada Corp if you following and properly comprehend what he is saying/doing. Once you are under International jurisdiction and you have learnt HOW to enforce that verbally and in writing, then dope laws of Corporate Canadian shall no longer apply to you, and that is just a small benefit of what will come of such status.

He charges a very reasonable fee to prepare the paperwork and instruct you as to HOW to file it and what it means. It is not a rip off by any stretch of the imagination considering what you get for a few hundred dollar donation. There are guys in the States who do MUCH less for thousands of dollars more. He also holds seminars in Canada that you can attend. Once you get to know him, you can contact him as you need.

He may look a bit rough in the face, but we assure you he is more than just a pretty face. He is a very perceptive man, and a competent man in law. Any time you spend watching him and listening carefully to what he has to say in his videos will be well spent. He is as good a starting point as you will find in Canada.

We posted his video for you originally for good reason, but you weren't listening to what we told you. Hopefully this will do it.

See you later.

 

[isaih520]

Hoffman , here's an instance of the new testament mentioned as law.




"according to the wholesome laws of each commonwealth; so, for that end, they may lawfully, now under the new testament, "



"III. The civil magistrate .....he hath authority, and it is his duty,.....that the truth of God be kept pure and entire, "

The Confession of Faith of the Assembly of Divines at Westminster

CHAPTER XXIII.

Of the Civil Magistrate.

God, the supreme Lord and King of all the world, hath ordained civil magistrates, to be, under Him, over the people, for His own glory, and the public good: and, to this end, hath armed them with the power of the sword, for the defence and encouragement of them that are good, and for the punishment of evil, doers.

II. It is lawful for Christians to accept and execute the office of a magistrate, when called thereunto: in the managing whereof, as they ought especially to maintain piety, justice, and peace, according to the wholesome laws of each commonwealth; so, for that end, they may lawfully, now under the new testament, wage war, upon just and necessary occasion.

III. The civil magistrate may not assume to himself the administration of the Word and sacraments, or the power of the keys of the kingdom of heaven: yet he hath authority, and it is his duty, to take order that unity and peace be preserved in the Church, that the truth of God be kept pure and entire, that all blasphemies and heresies be suppressed, all corruptions and abuses in worship and discipline prevented or reformed, and all the ordinances of God duly settled, administered, and observed. For the better effecting whereof, he hath power to call synods, to be present at them, and to provide that whatsoever is transacted in them be according to the mind of God.

IV. It is the duty of people to pray for magistrates, to honour their persons, to pay them tribute or other dues, to obey their lawful commands and to be subject to their authority, for conscience’ sake. Infidelity, or difference in religion, doth not make void the magistrates’ just and legal authority, nor free the people from their due obedience to them: from which ecclesiastical persons are not exempted, much less hath the Pope any power and jurisdiction over them in their dominions, or over any of their people; and, least of all, to deprive them of their dominions, or lives, if he shall judge them to be heretics, or upon any other pretence whatsoever."


from the infallible and unbiased source wiki http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Confession_of_Faith_of_the_Assembly_of_Divines_at_Westminster


I dont agree with this law , by the way, I think its biblically inaccurate.
But be that as it may , as you can see magistrates are restricted to the "wholesome" laws of the commonwealth as per gods law.

And i do not subject myself to the authority of magistrates.
Only juries.
Doesn;t mean they don't try to impose it anyhow, naturally

So while the magistrate isnt to be the arbitar of biblical law, he is certainly subject to it.
The decision re: pot would require a jury.