High CBD strains, gotta have em!

[G.O. Joe]

Theory is one thing, practice another. Have you run DL tests or TLC plates or Beam's tests on ditchweed and bred it? For most it will be heartbreak. I'm saving people time and people are philosophizing.

Try it and post back please.

I'm going to trust multiple different independent angles that suggest ditchweed is bad news from GW's paper related to Locus O, to qualitative description and first hand knowledge of the fibery flat properties of hemp. It is good for clothing.

I hate to see otherwise well wishing providers or caretakers and even hobbyists from spending a year or more messing around with fabric genetics. If you're smart and want to prove me wrong, give me some hard scientific data and results. Otherwise we're just talking in circles.

I have no need to rehash anything for your whatever that is, ghost of whoever. We all see through you easily enough.

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Speaking of wasting time:

It is with deep regret that I must announce that I will not only feed the troll, I will allow it to take minutes out of my life and the Fast Blue out of the refrigerator, and the big plates out of the basement and force me to do things. I concede - enjoy your victory before you're banned again.

I just want to state for the record that as recently as yesterday (like previous days) I was thinking of getting out the camera and Sensi's ersatz ganj and random ditchweed and maybe even the spectrophotometer and starting a Beam Illustrated thread, plus for over a year I've been planning a chromatography thread (focusing on homemade alumina and unusual technique, also including prepared silica TLC, and dry column flash) that average members here can do. I just don't have the time because I work twice as many hours as most people do (including this holiday weekend), since no one is paying me to do this. Other than the picture below, nothing else I ever do is in response to this guy. Don't think I'm waiting for the shipment to get here so that I can respond to some troll, I have everything except time. Wasn't planning on saying anything until there something worthy of showing.

 

[30years]

Resin Cannatonic is a quality plant. Big plant, lemony scent but again, maybe other people have different experiences. I have nothing but good things to say about the plant.

depends on pheno for sure with this one. when we did our first sift of the ct we ended up with 50 females to evaluate. extreme disparity between plants. funny thing was the high thc plants were the biggest and healthiest plants period. we kept a 1:1, a 2:1, a 3:1 and a 20% cbd .2 % thc.
this was maybe 4 years ago. jamie swung by the shop about the same time to talk about his breeding projects. he was a solid cat. the plants we sifted became the cannatonic cuts that dr courtney promoted. maybe now the lines are more consistent? but if you had a pack and only got the weird ones you would say the strain sucks too. people needed more numbers to sift to find the quality but few have that luxury.

 

[ICbuds]

Any one have pics of properly grown HQ? would love to see it's potential

 

[G.O. Joe]

BTW it's shown in The Inheritance of Chemical Phenotype in Cannabis sativa L. that when a mixed-pheno F1 of standard and boring German hemp and sort of lame "Duckfoot" is selfed, you can get the amount of THC and/or CBD you want, even above the usual +/- range of the parents. What new resin-producing genes were available to the F1 tripled the CBD from its hemp parent right off the bat. The F2 total cannabinoid content was 2X the pot strain parent more than half the time, so the crossing was best for both parents on that point. The genetic low total cannabinoid content of the hemp parent is shown to be easily overcome in dramatic fashion. There are only legal barriers for research.

 

[CrazyKoala]

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[CrazyKoala]

BTW it's shown in The Inheritance of Chemical Phenotype in Cannabis sativa L. that when a mixed-pheno F1 of standard and boring German hemp and sort of lame "Duckfoot" is selfed, you can get the amount of THC and/or CBD you want, even above the usual +/- range of the parents. What new resin-producing genes were available to the F1 tripled the CBD from its hemp parent right off the bat. The F2 total cannabinoid content was 2X the pot strain parent more than half the time, so the crossing was best for both parents on that point. The genetic low total cannabinoid content of the hemp parent is shown to be easily overcome in dramatic fashion. There are only legal barriers for research.

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I'm very familiar with that paper. Your point?

Does doubling or tripling from 0.5-2% say, get you to a desired 10-20%?

What I mentioned were problems not with just CBD per se but other attributes. I mentioned the null gene as a problem, and some people corrected me that it is not that common, a point I accept.

GW's papers make clear there is a locus O for the phenolic precursors that only when homozygous for the desirable "high" production do you get what you want (not heterozygous or homozygous for the undesirable allele). Hemp has the wrong gene at this locus, and feel free to prove me wrong with papers if your understanding is different. I would appreciate any elucidation.

That would mean hempxcannabis would be heterozygous on that locus, and only in the F2 will you find what you are looking for, and that is separate from finding the desired Bd/Bd for breeding purposes. This makes for 1 in 16 plants looking at just these two loci.

You also have to make sure you start with dioecious plants, with many of the popular hemp strains being monoecious. Then you also have to consider terpenoid profile, which I presume is on multiple separate loci, which is a very reasonable assumption.

There are many people who have smoked cannabisxhemp hybrids and the anectodatal evidence is not promising. You may argue there is promise in the F2, but I argue there are better routes than hunting through useless plants for that needle in a hempstack. Just my 2c. No need to get paranoid and cynical.

 

[CrazyKoala]

Any one have pics of properly grown HQ? would love to see it's potential

Lemony, nutty scent.

House of David always has it and provides it readily.

 

[CrazyKoala]

With all the unnecessary drama being passed around, I question if my friend is wise in giving me these photos. Seems people just want to lie, cheat, pretend, and when someone who's doing something comes along, they get harassed out with accusations.

It's OK. For my friend it's not about the money, not about the fame, and it's hard to be mad when you are doing cutting edge things with double haploid lines from femmed pollen, and 90% don't get it and 9% think you're full of it, and the sub-1% are people you know who are enjoying some one-of-a-kind medicine.

It's also hard to be mad vaporizing 12%-14% THC-CBD that has not been grown to full potential.

Here's some Harlequin from my friend. He grows 6 plants at a time, and it all sells out at top shelf prices to clubs. The club subsidized tests came in at 5-8% THC 4-5.5% CBD.

The plant has what look like odd distinct long 4 blade leafs. 2 weeks into flower. Background had to be edited for obvious reasons. Plant naturally lollipops or branches out down below and so needs support. Picture taking cost friend a branch, but that's ok, early microwave sample.

Height is ~6ft in a 25gal. Plant is for breeding purposes so not ran for maximum yield. In a 100gal, it goes 10ft-15ft depending on light conditions. Colas get girthy very early, and the plant is very resinous. High is disappointing to THC indica stoners, but very medicinal. Good for mixing in with other power strains.

Peace all! Off to church. Don't need canna-drama on a Sunday, and there is more to life than the herb.

 

[CrazyKoala]

Trust me when I say, it is hard enough getting a high CBD gene-pool that achieves total cannabinoids maybe 8-13% like Harlequin via stabilization, outcrossing, then making F1's to even achieve 20% total cannabinoid. I wouldn't even want to consider starting from hemp, breeding out several other problems as posted above, and then try to increase yield, structure, and desirability in vapor and smell.

Money is one thing. Time, we never get back, which is why my friend jumped into the deep end messing with biotechnological methods. Lots of mold on rockwool taught my friend how to clone right wearing gloves, changing solutions, wiping down surfaces. Lots of mold on plates taught my friend to get a cheap but separate drink fridge, to construct a custom glove box, and techniques to sterilize, and use a 2-stage process for in vitro growth.

 

[CrazyKoala]

depends on pheno for sure with this one. when we did our first sift of the ct we ended up with 50 females to evaluate. extreme disparity between plants. funny thing was the high thc plants were the biggest and healthiest plants period. we kept a 1:1, a 2:1, a 3:1 and a 20% cbd .2 % thc.
this was maybe 4 years ago. jamie swung by the shop about the same time to talk about his breeding projects. he was a solid cat. the plants we sifted became the cannatonic cuts that dr courtney promoted. maybe now the lines are more consistent? but if you had a pack and only got the weird ones you would say the strain sucks too. people needed more numbers to sift to find the quality but few have that luxury.

My friend had better uniformity, but this sounds like reliable information.

Friend ran 3 packs, and all were massive plants. A little different from alleged Dr. Whitney and club cuts that my friend saw up in Sebastepol. The distinct lemon was there though somewhat consistently.

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Garwhali Jungli

Garwhali Jungli

Garwhali Jungli,
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Himalyan Landrace very high CBD, almost no THC (very wild pheno)

Not my cup of tea at all however friends who suffer a little from depression, anxiety, panic attacks, etc found the smoke to be perfect for them.

The cool calm serene body high relaxed them and seemed to produce a great feeling for them but with none of the THC static or rush.

They could then smoke stronger strains that would usually have them whiteying but instead the jungli seems to provide a safe platform for them to journey from.

Would this be comparable to the Garwhali Shiva From RSC, I have some from the same region but never had it tested, it is not as lime green as the one in the picture but close.

Peace

 

[Karmic Farmer]

If you are in the Midwest try to find either Cannatonic #4 which tests at 1/2% THC to 15% CBD or Star Tonic which is Deathstar x Cannatonic X and tests at 9% THC to 16% CBD.

Peace,
KF

 

[CrazyKoala]

If you are in the Midwest try to find either Cannatonic #4 which tests at 1/2% THC to 15% CBD or Star Tonic which is Deathstar x Cannatonic X and tests at 9% THC to 16% CBD.

Peace,
KF

Cannatonic X and Cannatonic 4 are good pheno if you can find the real thing. I wouldn't trust clubs with these.

Cali has rebranded Cannatonics, and a mysterious and probably falsified history OGKxTBB cut that has tested high CBD at local clubs.

An acquaintance has a matanuska thunder that is bio-engineered for very high CBD. Can't talk about that though if I'm going to keep confidences.

Also a plant called Trident/Purp. Trident that consistently hits good CBD marks.

R4 is being passed out for free at Greenwerks. It is Creme x Soma Reclining Buddha, with Creme being a secret small-timer breeder secret.

I tried tracing down "Blue Cindy" and thought perhaps some CBD strain x Blueberry x c99 or Jack, but was unable to. If anyone has info, I'm interested (as if my friend needs any more than several dozen very high CBD strains).

If this place didn't reek bad vibes, it probably would be easier to solicit testers as there is too much genetics to run. Or maybe it is a few bad apples like GOJOE/Chimmie.

 

[CrazyKoala]

Forgot to mention, mysterious lineage Swiss Gold floating around in Santa Rosa, and an alleged VISC RX pheno or mutation or falsified history re-named Omrita RX3 that seems to show phenotypic spread, also floating around Santa Rosa.

My friend says orange peels on the Omrita, very light green plant. Swiss gold, darker foilage, more 'celery'. My friend once thought SG is a HQ inbred line, but is not so sure now. Lineage is a mystery, but source is traced to one Dr. Whitney via Mr. Lawrence Ringo is how these gained some exposure. They're out there.

 

[gloriabiologics]

Yup, I am blown away!!
As it turns out the ditchweed with 6%CBD/ 5%THC is enough to make HUGE differences in the response of my tumors!! After just two glasses of juice, the whole area is all dark like a tan and hot with no numbness. it's like it's trying to push it out of me, already feels like it's getting smaller. Hell of a time for my camera to go out, I need to document this quick before it goes away! So, I am humbling myself and turning from the chastisement of those that call RSO "hemp" oil, so far it seems to work better than some higher THC oil I've used. I am also seeing a HUGE argument for breading with it now. I am definitely going to be running some more test on some both from the same area and others to see what's up on the ditchweed scene. Should have known by the amount of improvement I got isomerizing that stuff back in high school.

Bless you. The only benefit I see of hemp is if it is low enough THC consistently, there can be a different legal treatment. That is why some entities have tried to make money in this area.

Not to be incredulous, but I would like to see that lab test on 6%/5% hemp. Are you sure it is not a worked cannabis strain? I ask with experience in this area.

 

[gloriabiologics]

I have no need to rehash anything for your whatever that is, ghost of whoever. We all see through you easily enough.

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Speaking of wasting time:

It is with deep regret that I must announce that I will not only feed the troll, I will allow it to take minutes out of my life and the Fast Blue out of the refrigerator, and the big plates out of the basement and force me to do things. I concede - enjoy your victory before you're banned again.

I just want to state for the record that as recently as yesterday (like previous days) I was thinking of getting out the camera and Sensi's ersatz ganj and random ditchweed and maybe even the spectrophotometer and starting a Beam Illustrated thread, plus for over a year I've been planning a chromatography thread (focusing on homemade alumina and unusual technique, also including prepared silica TLC, and dry column flash) that average members here can do. I just don't have the time because I work twice as many hours as most people do (including this holiday weekend), since no one is paying me to do this. Other than the picture below, nothing else I ever do is in response to this guy. Don't think I'm waiting for the shipment to get here so that I can respond to some troll, I have everything except time. Wasn't planning on saying anything until there something worthy of showing.
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For someone with nothing to prove, it's a bit comical that you posted a picture of fast blue salt to a person with a deep chemistry background.



I know Stoxx personally, and can say he is the one of the most compassionate, most honest, and intelligent people I have met. His lies on any forum have to do with security.

I also find it funny that some people like Chimera/GO JOE come out calling him a liar with no basis because he has tried to help people save time. He posted on MNS forum about Beam's test and it's complications, and a month later Chimera is 'schooling' him on Beam's test.

Pretty funny stuff. Stoxx's background is in chemistry. Mines is in structural biology, and proteomics. He may be new to cannabis, but he has surprised me with advanced technological methods accessible to the common individual. And yet like a tribe of superstitious people, the most vocal of you have ran him out.

I offered Stoxx the pollen of a hemp derived cross which was worked on for 4 years even in spite of advanced technological methods. We even offered to work with numerous large seedbanks, and were turned down. We have decided the technology is too precious, and that there is too much at stake to be haphazard at releasing these genetics. In the wrong hands, it will be patented, kept from those who need it the most. We are working to help people, and taking massive risks to do so. Some of us have put down a large capital outlay with no compensation. We could easily make D0 lines of the most popular poly hybrids like Blue Dream or GSC and make breeding stock parents to re-create the original. This technology is not future technology but is within our current capabilities.

We are working with technologies that accelerate breeding for THCV, CBDV, and CBD, shortening the cycle by over 3 years. It is not trivial work.

For people working antiquated methods, such as selfing or back crossing, accusing those making progress in leaps and bounds with doubled haploid and artificial seed technology is much like tribes people with spears saying they understand gunpowder technology and calling incoming settlers with guns as idiot liars, that guns have not been made yet.

In the end it doesn't matter what delusions you angry paranoid people hold. Stoxx didn't speak up despite the insult, but I had to step up and speak on behalf as his character was attacked. When we invite Stoxx to work in the lab, he has opted to re-creating some of the same advanced biotechnological methods accessible to those without access to world-class labs. You thank his donation of information and pointers and thoughts with pictures of reagents that can be bought by anyone online, with accusations, and with suspicion and hatred.

Stoxx once told me a lot of the people attacking him on various forums were probably sick, and so he refused to get too involved. I won't be so nice. It seems many here are sick, but not physically, but rather sick in character and personality.

 

[gloriabiologics]

Since I anticipate people crying 'Liar!' left and right, and Stoxx falling victim to confused individuals who can't tell truth from falsehood, I have to post this.

It will probably be deleted, and I will probably be banned, but I don't have any currency here. I have nothing to gain here. My thoughts to help the cannabis "community" will be deeply questioned after this and many negative experiences.

We are considering selling technology at hundreds of thousands to biopharmas, and letting the market dictate prices. It doesn't seem potheads in love with an intoxicant should be helped.



P.S. so there is no photoshop accusations, the photos show a 'fansign' for the #1 accuser with a bachelors in an unrelated science.

Even then there will be skeptics, so the fansign is a stack of papers. serials and background have been blocked for obvious reasons.

The machinery are things most of you will never ever, ever, work with. Automated protein crystallization machines, automated genomics equipment, centrifuges, -80 freezer, etc.

 

[gloriabiologics]

This is for GO JOE deceiving people about hemp.

 

[vapor]

We have a fuelly, great tasting Cannatonic, so they are not all hay. The guy I got it from didn't like the taste so he crossed her with a lotta stuff. Tastes much different when we do it, than when he does for some reason. Peace GS

Just finished my first cannatonic {gifted cutting}
I like it very much and it will have a place in my garden for some time to come. This cutting smells of fuel and grape to me great smoke....

 

[gloriabiologics]

Would this be comparable to the Garwhali Shiva From RSC, I have some from the same region but never had it tested, it is not as lime green as the one in the picture but close.

Peace

It is worth keeping preserved.

That region has produced some interesting plants for us but we had to narrow our starting points.

If CBD is your goal, what you are looking for is a low or no-high, but high-resin plant.

The benefit versus Cannatonic is, you know the lineage as truth, and it is a Cannatonic-independent CBD line which is desirable for heterosis and bio-diversity considerations.