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Terpenation at Terpene Station
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mr. durden
Member
the caresaver is but it is like 2400. GW said that the butane will lubricate the appion, but tech support said butane will eat the seals or dry them out. he was giving me a lot of info so i'm not sure i am getting it all totally correct. but the guy i spoke with was well aware of problems associated with reclaiming butane.
run steel lines from the mastercool 50lb tank to the terp.
you could run the unit empty, it just will take a lot of butane. after you've cleaned everything with soap and water and wiped down with alcohol, then assemble, you'll want to run it till you get all the oil out. i used activated carbon and some use old material.
mr. durden
Member
a cps mt-69 for recovery.
i would also recommend not running a fine screen with the buna triclamp gasket. if you use too fine a mesh, you have the potential to blow the seal due to it clogging. people will sometimes cover the 20 mesh screen with something finer in case material gets past the coffee filters. i'd recommend running more coffee filters. we picked up some cheap 10-12 cup filters and run 2 sets of 4 before each gasket.
FE, ill let you know how accurate that gas meter is mine arrives early next week.
bringing some cold extract with me up to the cup, time for radars fury to be unleashed. and a chunk of bubba/obama/chemd/checkmate mixed run
bringing some cold extract with me up to the cup, time for radars fury to be unleashed. and a chunk of bubba/obama/chemd/checkmate mixed run
furrywall11
Member
can anyone recommend a good butane detection system? thanks
Thanks
Thanks
Durden,
I run 400 mesh with my buna gasket and have never clogged it. I dont understand how you could clog a finer mesh if its able to run through a coffee filter. Blowing a buna gasket is unlikely if you have your clamps tight. My Terp stays in full production and have run plenty of kinds of material. The only way I could see a clog happening is running straight kief or maybe some gooey bubble hash. I still dont see blowing a gasket even with clogged mesh. The PSI would have to climb pretty high and I would hope someone would shut the system down before that.
Regis,
I understand about the charging scale. My thing is the only time I refill is when I cannot get a tube to fully fill up. IE when butane does not reach the top of my sight glass after having the butane valve open of close to 1 minute I know Im low. I tried using a bathroom scale to get an idea of what was going on. I used a fire extinguisher to check the accuracy of the bathroom scale. The extinguisher weighs 35.lbs 15oz total, as it states on the side in the safety check. My scale said it weighed 35. 7lbs It was a bit off but close enough as Im not filling it near capacity. When I weighed my tank, it said I had 29.5lbs!? On the side of my tank it states that the tank weighs 28.3lbs by itself! Which means Ive been running my terp with somewhere around 2lbs until it would not flood anymore. I added 3lbs of butane and things moved right along again. Im not advocating people use a bathroom scale or go without a charging scale, just that it CAN be safely filled to the amounts we are using without a charging scale. Although I agree its best to err on the side of caution, and whats a hundred bucks when we are invested this far already. Ive ordered a scale, thanks for keeping me on my toes.
Sneaky,
Now with that sweet setup all you need is a good camera, lol
Respectfully,
FE
Thanks
Durden,
I run 400 mesh with my buna gasket and have never clogged it. I dont understand how you could clog a finer mesh if its able to run through a coffee filter. Blowing a buna gasket is unlikely if you have your clamps tight. My Terp stays in full production and have run plenty of kinds of material. The only way I could see a clog happening is running straight kief or maybe some gooey bubble hash. I still dont see blowing a gasket even with clogged mesh. The PSI would have to climb pretty high and I would hope someone would shut the system down before that.
Regis,
I understand about the charging scale. My thing is the only time I refill is when I cannot get a tube to fully fill up. IE when butane does not reach the top of my sight glass after having the butane valve open of close to 1 minute I know Im low. I tried using a bathroom scale to get an idea of what was going on. I used a fire extinguisher to check the accuracy of the bathroom scale. The extinguisher weighs 35.lbs 15oz total, as it states on the side in the safety check. My scale said it weighed 35. 7lbs It was a bit off but close enough as Im not filling it near capacity. When I weighed my tank, it said I had 29.5lbs!? On the side of my tank it states that the tank weighs 28.3lbs by itself! Which means Ive been running my terp with somewhere around 2lbs until it would not flood anymore. I added 3lbs of butane and things moved right along again. Im not advocating people use a bathroom scale or go without a charging scale, just that it CAN be safely filled to the amounts we are using without a charging scale. Although I agree its best to err on the side of caution, and whats a hundred bucks when we are invested this far already. Ive ordered a scale, thanks for keeping me on my toes.
Sneaky,
Now with that sweet setup all you need is a good camera, lol
Respectfully,
FE
furry wall I posted one a couple pages back ....
ICdog,
Possibly. I also have some pics of the packing process you requested, just have yet to post em up...
Durden,
what temperature are your hoses rated for? All the SS braided hoses I could find were only rated to -40
The best hoses were low temperature hydraulic hoses by parker rated for -70F but the ID was too large. I guess as long as I could get my fittings attached its not too big though... Anyhow I am still running dry ice just with much more attention to the placement of the blocks and the temps its getting to. Using my laser thermometer to monitor the tank and hose temps and keeping the tank hovering around -2 - +4 degrees, no ice on the valves or hoses.... On the idiot comment, I guess running the terp inside speaks for itself. If you read back through the SP pages you can see your entry questions were not all that long ago. Thanks for sharing your experience. No need to start name calling so quickly we are just getting started. Talk without pictures is just that, talk. Post up! Lets see your intelligent indoor design and overly outstanding oils that can only be produced with such intellect.
Respect-fully,
FE
ICdog,
Possibly. I also have some pics of the packing process you requested, just have yet to post em up...
Durden,
what temperature are your hoses rated for? All the SS braided hoses I could find were only rated to -40
The best hoses were low temperature hydraulic hoses by parker rated for -70F but the ID was too large. I guess as long as I could get my fittings attached its not too big though... Anyhow I am still running dry ice just with much more attention to the placement of the blocks and the temps its getting to. Using my laser thermometer to monitor the tank and hose temps and keeping the tank hovering around -2 - +4 degrees, no ice on the valves or hoses.... On the idiot comment, I guess running the terp inside speaks for itself. If you read back through the SP pages you can see your entry questions were not all that long ago. Thanks for sharing your experience. No need to start name calling so quickly we are just getting started. Talk without pictures is just that, talk. Post up! Lets see your intelligent indoor design and overly outstanding oils that can only be produced with such intellect.
Respect-fully,
FE
icdog
Member
I was looking at one of these to detect the butane. it has a ppm led.
http://www.wfgear.com/p-35-sensit-hxg-2d-combustible-gas-leak-detectors.aspx
http://www.wfgear.com/p-35-sensit-hxg-2d-combustible-gas-leak-detectors.aspx
mr. durden
Member
they are all pretty good... we have this and a handheld http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0017Z5DZO/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
basically you want something that is LEL
mr. durden
Member
Durden,
I run 400 mesh with my buna gasket and have never clogged it. I dont understand how you could clog a finer mesh if its able to run through a coffee filter. Blowing a buna gasket is unlikely if you have your clamps tight. My Terp stays in full production and have run plenty of kinds of material. The only way I could see a clog happening is running straight kief or maybe some gooey bubble hash. I still dont see blowing a gasket even with clogged mesh. The PSI would have to climb pretty high and I would hope someone would shut the system down before that.
Regis,
I understand about the charging scale. My thing is the only time I refill is when I cannot get a tube to fully fill up. IE when butane does not reach the top of my sight glass after having the butane valve open of close to 1 minute I know Im low. I tried using a bathroom scale to get an idea of what was going on. I used a fire extinguisher to check the accuracy of the bathroom scale. The extinguisher weighs 35.lbs 15oz total, as it states on the side in the safety check. My scale said it weighed 35. 7lbs It was a bit off but close enough as Im not filling it near capacity. When I weighed my tank, it said I had 29.5lbs!? On the side of my tank it states that the tank weighs 28.3lbs by itself! Which means Ive been running my terp with somewhere around 2lbs until it would not flood anymore. I added 3lbs of butane and things moved right along again. Im not advocating people use a bathroom scale or go without a charging scale, just that it CAN be safely filled to the amounts we are using without a charging scale. Although I agree its best to err on the side of caution, and whats a hundred bucks when we are invested this far already. Ive ordered a scale, thanks for keeping me on my toes.
Sneaky,
Now with that sweet setup all you need is a good camera, lol
Respectfully,
FE
that is where i got the idea, was when i saw your pics and my partner didn't always double up coffee filters.
see this: http://www.glaciertanks.com/TriClamp_Screen_Gaskets-TriClamp_BUNA-N_Screen_Gasket_150_mesh1_1_2.html
it doesn't blow, rather it leaks oil. it is tight, although there is always a chance it might not have been crazy tight. interestingly the two times it happened, it was on the third cycle. never sooner. pressures are very low.... 25psi on a dump would be high for me.
the scales are handy for knowing your dry weight of your tank, etc. i sometimes put it under my iced up tank as it'll go up to 220lbs.
mr. durden
Member
the stainless hose i have is rated at -320. airgas sells pellets which are easier to use. otherwise you have to break up the blocks. if you are using dry ice, i wouldn't worry about temps. it'll be cold enough.
i think idiot might have been harsh... made a lack of attention to detail. given that my partner and i have over 5 years of combined experience, i'm not too worried. and you sometimes come across a bit judgmental given some bonehead mistakes you've made.
posting pics is more work than i care to put into it and i don't need the validation nor do i have anything to prove. besides, how can one compete with the 20 million pics of some scoped crystals? the thing is, there is nothing i can learn from how you process material, as i've seen how you do it via your posts.
Nothing to learn, nothing to share.. I see...
I guess making bonehead mistakes and admitting it isnt ok if Im trying to prove something...Im sharing my own experience and learning along the way while trying to help others in the process. Im not worried about it, Im learning and still have much to overstand in the field of extractions. I am by no means a professional. 5 years of extractions sure thing. I can certainly claim 10+ years and a variety of extractions. That certainly doesn't make me an expert. Nobody said it was a picture contest, I was curious to see if your game was as nice as your talk. Like they say 'a picture is worth a thousand words'..
Just checking, lol.
Ill leave it at that.
lol
20 million crystal pics from different samples and magnifications,... eh what can I say? I got more if you want to see em
I guess making bonehead mistakes and admitting it isnt ok if Im trying to prove something...Im sharing my own experience and learning along the way while trying to help others in the process. Im not worried about it, Im learning and still have much to overstand in the field of extractions. I am by no means a professional. 5 years of extractions sure thing. I can certainly claim 10+ years and a variety of extractions. That certainly doesn't make me an expert. Nobody said it was a picture contest, I was curious to see if your game was as nice as your talk. Like they say 'a picture is worth a thousand words'..
Just checking, lol.
Ill leave it at that.
lol
20 million crystal pics from different samples and magnifications,... eh what can I say? I got more if you want to see em
Back to our regularly scheduled program:
So I did a dry ice cold run with trimmed buds and held off on the vac down at the end. Just got it to zero and called it good.
So is the high vacuum what makes the oils get dark as well as the heat? Notice the bright white oil on the walls of the collection...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7AMzwR9PfU
So I did a dry ice cold run with trimmed buds and held off on the vac down at the end. Just got it to zero and called it good.
So is the high vacuum what makes the oils get dark as well as the heat? Notice the bright white oil on the walls of the collection...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7AMzwR9PfU
You can run it empty, it just takes more butane and longer to recover.
mr. durden
Member
Nothing to learn, nothing to share.. I see...
I guess making bonehead mistakes and admitting it isnt ok if Im trying to prove something...Im sharing my own experience and learning along the way while trying to help others in the process. Im not worried about it, Im learning and still have much to overstand in the field of extractions. I am by no means a professional. 5 years of extractions sure thing. I can certainly claim 10+ years and a variety of extractions. That certainly doesn't make me an expert. Nobody said it was a picture contest, I was curious to see if your game was as nice as your talk. Like they say 'a picture is worth a thousand words'..
Just checking, lol.
Ill leave it at that.
lol
20 million crystal pics from different samples and magnifications,... eh what can I say? I got more if you want to see em
i've shared for sure, i just don't do what you want or expect. you seem to assume others are as careless as you are, which isn't always the case. i think if i did the things you did, i would only work outside too.
obviously we are all learning... especially with a new system such as the terp. closed loops of this type are just coming to market, so there isn't a lot of people to connect with who have experience.
the problem with you is that you assume. i don't claim to be anything other than someone who wants to do quality extractions.
our stuff is just as good, if not better depending on starting material, as any big name in SF.
mr. durden
Member
if your collection vessel ices over, assuming you are using no bottom heat, i'd use a heat gun to tell where the butane actually is before pouring the butane off. i hit a spot below where it has frosted till it is free of ice, wipe that spot off and then blast cool air on it with the heat gun to see where the butane actually is. we usually leave about 2 or 3" left of butane.
the oil will usually look lighter before you start applying heat and vac
When my vessel starts to ice up I put it in cold water so it doesnt halt the recovery.
I would not want that much butane left in the pot. I tried your pouring method before and didnt like it...My level of carelessness would certainly blow something up, lol... There was more oil than butane left in the pot but the oil was still puddle-ish due to the leftover butane. Easily scraped but would have been a pita to pour.
I was reading in another thread where personal experiences were showing that deep vacuum was contributing to darker colors..GW confirmed this occurrence.. I had that notion a few times but dismissed the possibility for reasons previously mentioned. Now Im reevaluating the possibility and altering my methods. . .
I would not want that much butane left in the pot. I tried your pouring method before and didnt like it...My level of carelessness would certainly blow something up, lol... There was more oil than butane left in the pot but the oil was still puddle-ish due to the leftover butane. Easily scraped but would have been a pita to pour.
I was reading in another thread where personal experiences were showing that deep vacuum was contributing to darker colors..GW confirmed this occurrence.. I had that notion a few times but dismissed the possibility for reasons previously mentioned. Now Im reevaluating the possibility and altering my methods. . .
Burden
Burden
Ok Durd, cool. You are of superior intellect and do not make mistakes, and your extractions are top notch in SF. You dont do pictures. Got it.
I will refrain from asking to see pictures or asking how you do all this work safely indoors. Lets keep the bickering or complaints or whatever you want to call them, in PM and stay focused. " Ill leave it at that" means Im done, moving on, throwing in the towel, have lost interest. You win, lets keep it moving.
Thanks,
FE
Burden
Ok Durd, cool. You are of superior intellect and do not make mistakes, and your extractions are top notch in SF. You dont do pictures. Got it.
I will refrain from asking to see pictures or asking how you do all this work safely indoors. Lets keep the bickering or complaints or whatever you want to call them, in PM and stay focused. " Ill leave it at that" means Im done, moving on, throwing in the towel, have lost interest. You win, lets keep it moving.
Thanks,
FE
