Aero Clone to Coco - plants Wilt and die.

[Centrum]

I Have been doing this for awhile and never had problems the clones would droop for day then come back.
I Had been using the same coco for a few Grow recycling.


I Just changed coco from the same Batch of bricks, soaked them like normal, flushed the hell out of them. Added perlite and Cal mag 600ppm.

The Clones roots are anywhere from 3 - 9 inches, i did a test long roots verses Short roots and the shorter rooted clones seem to be Wilting up and just staying wilted with Barley if any recovery before i pull them out. out of 20 clones about 7 - 10 clones are wilting and not perking back up. When i pull them out of the coco the roots look dried up and dead. Not white and pretty like they where in the cloner.

I Have tried Pouring water on top of the coco and pouring water in the trays ( 3x3) for the water to soak up into the coco, the coco is wet, as wet as coco can get with perlite ( you guys know how coco is) . The temps are around 80-82 degrees in room.
I Just went and sprayed them with clonex and water hoping the mist helps them adjust to coco.

I Havent ever had them do this, I could always take from cloner put straight into coco grow one week and put right into flower.

But this is a new batch of coco and i think my old coco had broke down ( degraded) some and held water better, I have soaked some Jiffy pellets thats the old way i use to clone, pellets to coco and never a problem.


Anyone ever have this happen, i could really use some advice. Do i need to water a few times a day to make coco Stay REALLY Wet for clones to root, the bottom of the coco pots are pretty soaked the tops never stay as wet as the bottom.


Bummed Out.

Thanks for any help

 

[Johnny Redthumb]

Does you cloner have a dome? What is the humidity of where you transplanted em? How about light? Can you raise the light? Is the coco very course?

Really salty or bad pH coco will restrict water uptake and for sure kill babies. This coco might be more salty and requre more rinsing. Also, 600ppm of CalMag is pretty high for babies, even if the CEC in the coco isn't satisfied. I would do 300ppm, or 450ppm. Try measuring runoff EC & pH of this new coco.

All the problems with salty coco bricks is why I switched to the premium bagged coco.

 

[Johnny Redthumb]

Are the tops of the plants curling or wilting?

 

[Centrum]

Wilting, They look like a plant they hasn't been watered in days.. Like they are dying of no water.

Aero Cloner no dome.

Ill try and rinse another batch with RO Water.

 

[Johnny Redthumb]

Try rinsing with a chelated solution pH'd to 5.1-5.2. Or mix nutes to about 100ppm and pH to 5.1. That should rinse out sodium and any other crap in that coco. If you have any GH floramicro laying around, use that to bring RO water up to 100ppm.

 

[Granger2]

Go back to the coco you had good luck with. Try to give the transplants the same light, temps, humidity that they had before transplant. I used to use an AeroCloner, and I usually transplanted as soon as there were roots, even just nubs. No probs. It's hard not to damage long roots when transplanting into medium. Good luck. -granger

 

[Treetroit City]

Just a thought, lose the perlite.

I start seeds and root clones in 100% coco.

Trying my hand with an aero cloner right now and when rooted will go in straight coco. I never use perlite in my coco. Plenty of air in a pot of soaked coco.

 

[Snow Crash]

Just a thought, lose the perlite.

I start seeds and root clones in 100% coco.

Trying my hand with an aero cloner right now and when rooted will go in straight coco. I never use perlite in my coco. Plenty of air in a pot of soaked coco.

I totally agree. Pure coco is fantastic stuff, no need to mess with it.

The only other thing I noticed was the 600ppm of Cal-Mag. That's, um, a lot of Cal-Mag. A LOT!

I prefer to rinse my fresh/unused coco with pure, clean, water and then use a 0.6ec solution that has a balance of all elements to fulfill the coco's cation buffer. An unusually high EC in the media could be killing your new root tips.

 

[Centrum]

I only added the perlite becuase the ones with perlite ( my old batch Sky rocketed in growth) The new batch of Coco well they are wilting and dying. Like bad.

I did a Flush. To drain. See if that helps will know tommorow

thanks guys

 

[Treetroit City]

My only guess is salty coco or the 1.2 E.C. of Calmag you're giving them.

Hell I top out at 1.2 E.C. in flower so I'm not sure how that could be good for a young clone but if has worked in the past I'm not gonna say it's wrong.

Best of luck getting it figured out.

 

[headimonster]

I Have been doing this for awhile and never had problems the clones would droop for day then come back.
I Had been using the same coco for a few Grow recycling.


I Just changed coco from the same Batch of bricks, soaked them like normal, flushed the hell out of them. Added perlite and Cal mag 600ppm.

The Clones roots are anywhere from 3 - 9 inches, i did a test long roots verses Short roots and the shorter rooted clones seem to be Wilting up and just staying wilted with Barley if any recovery before i pull them out. out of 20 clones about 7 - 10 clones are wilting and not perking back up. When i pull them out of the coco the roots look dried up and dead. Not white and pretty like they where in the cloner.

I Have tried Pouring water on top of the coco and pouring water in the trays ( 3x3) for the water to soak up into the coco, the coco is wet, as wet as coco can get with perlite ( you guys know how coco is) . The temps are around 80-82 degrees in room.
I Just went and sprayed them with clonex and water hoping the mist helps them adjust to coco.

I Havent ever had them do this, I could always take from cloner put straight into coco grow one week and put right into flower.

But this is a new batch of coco and i think my old coco had broke down ( degraded) some and held water better, I have soaked some Jiffy pellets thats the old way i use to clone, pellets to coco and never a problem.


Anyone ever have this happen, i could really use some advice. Do i need to water a few times a day to make coco Stay REALLY Wet for clones to root, the bottom of the coco pots are pretty soaked the tops never stay as wet as the bottom.


Bummed Out.

Thanks for any help

cal/mag at 600ppm????!!! - that seems like an awful too much IMO - i usually go 150-200ppm, i use canna so i actually dont "precharge" when i transplant, clones from aero to canna, i just add 5ml dynagrow root per gal, and 25% full strength nutes, i was having the wilt issue when i was precharging, ....also pH at around 5.8, and you can swing as to where they see fit.

 

[guerilllataktic]

try keeping you coco on the dryer side they sound water logged, you said "Do i need to water a few times a day to make coco Stay REALLY Wet for clones to root, the bottom of the coco pots are pretty soaked the tops never stay as wet as the bottom."
very easy to over water when the roots arent established, giving them a wet/dry cycle causes the roots to grow outwards looking for water once the cup is filled with roots water water water

 

[Centrum]

Okay, I got my pens under control. Everything was fine.


FUCKING FUNGUS GNATS!!!!

I pulled up a wilting plant saw a bug looked like a gnat.
Then i looked at the dead dry roots.
There was little tiny tiny what at first looked like crystllized worm like table salt in a weird way. Then i pulled up another found some more mature maggots. Im guessing the crystal stuff is larvae ?

So I had a Container of GNATROL unopened powder form, Mixed it up as per directions. 5mm per gallon. But i used less then that. Prolly around 1/4 tsp per gallon.

This shit has been going on for a few months now. I have Hotshots around the room and saw flying gnat or two but thought it would take them out..


OMFG!!!

Has anyone ever recovered a wilted clone after killing fungus gnats ?>??

 

[Centrum]

This Explains why only the clones with massive roots where able to take hold and just grow at minimal growth. And the smaller rooted clones didn't make it at all.

 

[Trend]

As said above, lose the perlite and use dixie cups or something small. Dont worry about being charged or what not none of that matters until roots establish. Water til saturated and give a light preds/squeeze after watering. No light no fans for 12 hrs problem solved.

 

[Granger2]

If it were me, I'd use AT LEAST the recommended dosage of Gnatrol. Why skimp when you can't use too much? Good luck. -granger

 

[Centrum]

Hmmm... i ended up loading the whole container of gnatrol and putting Mosquito dunks in my water storage (drum of RO water). and have been feeding them with the water.

Still not one successful cutting has taken root. Im at a loss.

Im trying the pure coco and putting them in the dark for 12 hours to see if this does anything.

I Just dont know what to do anymore.

 

[Centrum]

Im gonna try and get my cam together and start documenting with pics.
Maybe start journal.

really scared of posting pics.

 

[chrondondalae]

There's nothing wrong with perlite. First thing is the 600ppm of CaMg. That's way too much IMHO. As far as the bugs go they sound more like root aphids to me. They are a much bigger problem than fungus gnats if that's the case. Whatever you do hit them with chemical wise use OgBiowar teas as a follow up. It'll keep the bugs at bay after you knock them down.

If the bugs are really bad just start over. It's easier to reroot some clones and put them in some clean coco than it is to fight root aphid problems throughout the grow cycle.

 

[Granger2]

Go to Cannabis Infirmary, see "Fungus Gnats or Winged Root Aphid."

Chron,
Lots of factors to consider on starting over. One big one is how much confidence does he have that he can eradicate them from the room. If he doesn't, he's likely better off taking a stand. It's not a lost cause. I'm bigger than RA's are. I've brought plants back a number of times to get successful crops. The fight for control of the Grow Room has to be fought either way. Good luck all. -granger