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We may all be Martians

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http://phys.org/news/2013-08-martians-theory-life-mars.html

We may all be Martians: New research supports theory that life started on Mars

New evidence has emerged which supports the long-debated theory that life on Earth may have started on Mars.

Professor Steven Benner will tell geochemists gathering today (Thursday 29 Aug) at the annual Goldschmidt conference that an oxidized mineral form of the element molybdenum, which may have been crucial to the origin of life, could only have been available on the surface of Mars and not on Earth. "In addition", said Professor Benner "recent studies show that these conditions, suitable for the origin of life, may still exist on Mars."

"It's only when molybdenum becomes highly oxidized that it is able to influence how early life formed," explains Professor Benner, from The Westheimer Institute for Science and Technology in the USA. "This form of molybdenum couldn't have been available on Earth at the time life first began, because three billion years ago the surface of the Earth had very little oxygen, but Mars did. It's yet another piece of evidence which makes it more likely life came to Earth on a Martian meteorite, rather than starting on this planet."

The research Professor Benner will present at the Goldschmidt conference tackles two of the paradoxes which make it difficult for scientists to understand how life could have started on Earth.
The first is dubbed by Professor Benner as the 'tar paradox'. All living things are made of organic matter, but if you add energy such as heat or light to organic molecules and leave them to themselves, they don't create life. Instead, they turn into something more like tar, oil or asphalt.

"Certain elements seem able to control the propensity of organic materials to turn into tar, particularly boron and molybdenum, so we believe that minerals containing both were fundamental to life first starting," says Professor Benner. "Analysis of a Martian meteorite recently showed that there was boron on Mars; we now believe that the oxidized form of molybdenum was there too."

The second paradox is that life would have struggled to start on the early Earth because it was likely to have been totally covered by water. Not only would this have prevented sufficient concentrations of boron forming – it's currently only found in very dry places like Death Valley – but water is corrosive to RNA, which scientists believe was the first genetic molecule to appear. Although there was water on Mars, it covered much smaller areas than on early Earth.
"The evidence seems to be building that we are actually all Martians; that life started on Mars and came to Earth on a rock," says

Professor Benner. "It's lucky that we ended up here nevertheless, as certainly Earth has been the better of the two planets for sustaining life. If our hypothetical Martian ancestors had remained on Mars, there might not have been a story to tell."
 

DevilWeedSeeds

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I would say that we know about .000000000000000001% of what is really going on in our Universe. Maybe less.
 

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I've always thought that We Are the Aliens on this planet.

We could've come from Mars or somewhere else. Any comet or asteroid from a destroyed planet could've brought life here too.

A lot can happen in a few billion years, eh?
 

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I agree that the building blocks of life all came from "out there" water, essential minerals, etc. etc. but our planet and solar system is an aggregate of stars past anyway... remnants of super and hyper nova... so nothing is indigenous to earth really... everything in the universe gets recycled and changes form

I'm as open minded as the next guy, but come on..

"The evidence seems to be building that we are actually all Martians; that life started on Mars and came to Earth on a rock," says Professor Benner


could an impact on mars BOTH, eject material into space outside mars' gravitational field so it could travel throughout the solar system.... and could life have survived on said material through such an impact with all the heat/pressures generated?

how else could this martian rock have gotten to earth?

matter coming to earth from mars seems implausible enough... but, that life would survive such an impact... AND make interplanetary space travel (with no use of technology)?... color me old fashioned, but I find that hard to believe... it seems like wild speculation being defined synonymously with "evidence"
 

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matter coming to earth from mars seems implausible enough... but, that life would survive such an impact... AND make interplanetary space travel (with no use of technology)?... color me old fashioned, but I find that hard to believe... it seems like wild speculation being defined synonymously with "evidence"

I believe there are over 100 known martian meteorites on Earth . These are rocks ejected from Mars after comet , asteroid impacts.
 

Infinitesimal

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I believe there are over 100 known martian meteorites on Earth . These are rocks ejected from Mars after comet , asteroid impacts.

that would have to be one HELL of an impact... I didn't say was impossible though, just hard to imagine it not only getting blasted into space, but escape orbit...

the hardest part to conceive is that, if such a large impact did take place, any life would have survived the initial impact... then traveling through space for who knows how long before burning through earths atmosphere before landing gently on earth surface.


is there any "actual real world evidence" of simple fungi/bacterial life surviving a DIRECT impact from a large asteroid/meteorite here on earth?
 

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I think a special thanks should go out to that big son of bitch, that ran into the Earth
& created the Moon. ..:moon:...normally, good help is hard to find.:tumbleweed:
 

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that would have to be one HELL of an impact... I didn't say was impossible though, just hard to imagine it not only getting blasted into space, but escape orbit...

the hardest part to conceive is that, if such a large impact did take place, any life would have survived the initial impact... then traveling through space for who knows how long before burning through earths atmosphere before landing gently on earth surface.


is there any "actual real world evidence" of simple fungi/bacterial life surviving a DIRECT impact from a large asteroid/meteorite here on earth?

These meteorites are found in multiple places on Earth and were dislodged from Mars at different times.

For example, Nakhlites is a grouping of meteorites. The first of these observed by us fell in Egypt in early 1900s, these particular rocks were formed on Mars over a billion years ago of magma from volcanic activity. Apparently they were suffused with water about 600 million years ago and were ejected from Mars around 10 million years ago thanks to an asteroid impact. These rocks have landed on earth in the last 10,000 years.



My point in bring this up was in response to you saying
"matter coming to earth from mars seems implausible enough... ".
Well not only is it not implausible we have a great deal of evidence for it , and much info about even the formation and rough ages of these rocks.

Now obviously there is no evidence of any microbial life surviving a trip from mars. I would hope that every single one of us would know if that were the case.


Also in recent years we have been finding microbes surviving under conditions just a few years ago would have seemed unfathomable.
 

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Some of us are from other planets. You can see us, but you cannot. We are pure consciousness, and travel on electrical invisible light arrays connected throughout the universe.

It was sir Walter Russell who brought us all here with his mental explosion.
 

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What's weird is that the "conspiracy theorists" have been saying for like 2 decades that the "rulers" of this planet will soon be revealing evidence that we came from mars. (Cooper, quail, etc...)
 

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traveling through space for who knows how long before burning through earths atmosphere before landing gently on earth surface.

Its the long time in space exposed to radiation that would limit the possibility of anything based on DNA surviveing , without an existing ecosystem a trace of virus/prion/bacteria would probably not thrive even if it arrived viable.

Reckon the best place to look for evidence would be in meteorites on the moons surface , that have avoided the heat of going through earths atmosphere and subsequent contamination and erosion , and cheaper than going to mars.
 
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No! it's true. we ARE martians ... at least I am. I know this because of my difficulty fitting in with most humans.
 

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