Get some Screens make some kief forget any way you have seen or tried and play around someone has to figure it out.
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For me ,what Essence is doing, is like getting a cut that you are asked not to share. You can either keep your promise and get to puff it, or you don't get to puff it at all. Easy choice to me. Peace GS
in the end thats the truth
even if we don't like it, we can respect him not just spilling the beans after promising not to. he has shared some tips already anyway, people need to just start to experiment. as soon as i find a good local supplier of screens of different sizes i'm on this like a pitt, lol. i want to make full use of DSW's method and explore on other clean up methods, it's like the start of an adventure, can't wait.
@ Sam Skunkman-do you really grind up the whole plant? i mean; stems and fan leaves too? if so the 1% yield would look a bit better
I was just having some fun with the guy. SHEESH! Anyways, as a peace offering, we might consider these rather than DVD cases with DSW's method, maybe.
DrySiftWizard
Member
Yeah a few of my friends use the screw in feet, they work pretty well.
I learned on the dvd cases way back so I keepz it real, haha.
I learned on the dvd cases way back so I keepz it real, haha.
Hi,
According to DSW's technic, it could also be possible to clean some raw dry sift with the same principle.
I mean, his method/technic is based on density and morphology. Same density and morphology happens in raw dry sift with the addition of green material which has lower density that thricome heads.
So, I suggest to give a try. Just one sieve needed, 87. Take a spoon of raw dry sift and gently sprinkle on the mesh at, let say a few inches high from the mesh. Gravity supposes to do the same effect.
Peace.
According to DSW's technic, it could also be possible to clean some raw dry sift with the same principle.
I mean, his method/technic is based on density and morphology. Same density and morphology happens in raw dry sift with the addition of green material which has lower density that thricome heads.
So, I suggest to give a try. Just one sieve needed, 87. Take a spoon of raw dry sift and gently sprinkle on the mesh at, let say a few inches high from the mesh. Gravity supposes to do the same effect.
Peace.
DrySiftWizard
Member
I've tried, it doesn't work that well.
Others might get better results, but I kinda doubt it.
No I strip off the bud from the stems, I don't really try to manicure it is way to much work and I don't need to. I will toss in the trash any shade leaves I can, as well as most shake unless it has small buds, I have several rotary sifters, one I can stick foot long buds still on small stems and the machine will toss the trash (Leaf and Stems) in one bag, put any seed in another bag, and vacuum up most of the farmers hash to another bag. As well big professional rotary sifters that use different custom metal screens both for separating the resin from the pre-stripped from stems plant materials, sifting, and for re-sieving the resin to get rid of the smaller then resin trash that is no good. I have a walk in freezer for sumer time sifting, I just freeze the dry stripped buds over night in the freezer and sift them the next day. I also have a lot of big 10 foot by maybe 5 feet flat screens stretched on aluminum frames, I have them in many many hole sizes.
So yes I do grind up the whole plant leaves and all, but the hash produced is farmers hash, maybe a third resin at the most, say a little over 30% THC, all the rest is leaf particles, resin stems, and other non-resin heads.
I only get maybe 1% partly because I am using sifting machines for farmer hash collection that use rotary brushes that get so fouled up with resin I change them every day and toss the gunk, I have several sets so I can soak them in alcohol to clean them over night.
I know my method is inefficient, I have said that from the beginning but I do not care. I know I lose resin in the process of collection as well as then cleaning up the 30% resin to 99.9% I lose more again. I do not care. My method is really for big growers or legal cheap Cannabis if the dry plants of good quality are $100 a kilo then making hash is possible, that is why so many today use shake to make hash, it is available and cheap now. If whole plants were available and cheap, hashish would really take off. Until then...
-SamS
So yes I do grind up the whole plant leaves and all, but the hash produced is farmers hash, maybe a third resin at the most, say a little over 30% THC, all the rest is leaf particles, resin stems, and other non-resin heads.
I only get maybe 1% partly because I am using sifting machines for farmer hash collection that use rotary brushes that get so fouled up with resin I change them every day and toss the gunk, I have several sets so I can soak them in alcohol to clean them over night.
I know my method is inefficient, I have said that from the beginning but I do not care. I know I lose resin in the process of collection as well as then cleaning up the 30% resin to 99.9% I lose more again. I do not care. My method is really for big growers or legal cheap Cannabis if the dry plants of good quality are $100 a kilo then making hash is possible, that is why so many today use shake to make hash, it is available and cheap now. If whole plants were available and cheap, hashish would really take off. Until then...
-SamS
@ Sam Skunkman-do you really grind up the whole plant? i mean; stems and fan leaves too? if so the 1% yield would look a bit better
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wow thanks for all the insight, very interesting. would love to be a fly on the wall when you are working your sifters and making your 99% heads
specially the seed collecting machine sounds fascinating. where these devices designed for your use, or are they industry standard?also would you share the process for making the farmers hash? i mean after sifting, whats next? what has to happen before it can go on sale theoretically speaking?
i will never forget a rotary sifter that was a 3m by 3m by 3m big. we were setting up a new grow and the one neighbors on the same floor of this industrial building as us were by total coincidence a group of guys that were buying outdoor plants off farmers with fields and making hash. they brought in 6 huge packs one time, they were the size of those round huge bails of hay you see on the fields sometimes. not the rectangle shape bails of hay, those much bigger round ones. man when i saw them dragging that shit out of the industrial elevator my eyes nearly popped out of my head. there we were setting up the first of planned 3x30 lamp boxes and we had neighbors like that lol. mind you it was worse for them i think. they moved out very soon after realizing what we were doing.
but that was one hell of a sifter, was home made with wood simple but effective. quite primitive though, they just surrounded it with tarps to catch the trichomes, so the whole room got full of dust from the process. when we went in after they left there was layers of hash dust on nearly everything, lol.
it was a magical time i tell you, i still look back with longing at the selection of clones that were available on order in good grow shops. if it wasn't the original WW it was as close to it that it really doesn't matter. we had Skunk Haze too right in the middle of the 90, was a 3 month flowering plant, but my oh my that was some amazing bud. non of us appreciated how good we had it in those days, you could literally build your grow knowing that you could order clones to fill the room every time. and that they would do exactly what that strain always did. i didnt even know about pm for 10 years of growing because the genetics were just not pm friendly. who ever selected the original mothers was very skilled or had contacts to get the originals.
Depends on the machines and process, with a crew of 3 people say 100 Kg a day of plants maybe more.
-SamS
-SamS
meltybubble
Member
Laser'd holes in screens,after some use the holes would become clogged with the glands,gently lifted to let the stalks fall then tapped to release the glands.
Thread is amazing.
I imagine a machine oval in shape with concentric mesh's getting smaller towards the outside.The inner chamber loaded with herb.
A small door on each end one for emptying the glands the other for collection?
Precision bearings so it can be spun on its axis forcing the glands outwards using centrifugal force?
This would need cleaned after some use,the holes should only be clogged with glands as they are round.
The expense here would be the laser or to make the holes in the metal.
Can anyone see this working well?
Cheers.
Thread is amazing.
I imagine a machine oval in shape with concentric mesh's getting smaller towards the outside.The inner chamber loaded with herb.
A small door on each end one for emptying the glands the other for collection?
Precision bearings so it can be spun on its axis forcing the glands outwards using centrifugal force?
This would need cleaned after some use,the holes should only be clogged with glands as they are round.
The expense here would be the laser or to make the holes in the metal.
Can anyone see this working well?
Cheers.
Laser cut or photo etched metal screens are more selective than wire/filament simply due to being circular rather than square .
The ones i have are not worth the extra expense in practice , as trichomes vary in diameter too much.
Discovered that tilting an optical diffraction grating retains a high percentage of trichomes in the grooves , not got one to hand but the grooves on a vinyl LP might be of suitable depth , around 100 mic could work for cleaning up small amounts , with or without static.
The ones i have are not worth the extra expense in practice , as trichomes vary in diameter too much.
Discovered that tilting an optical diffraction grating retains a high percentage of trichomes in the grooves , not got one to hand but the grooves on a vinyl LP might be of suitable depth , around 100 mic could work for cleaning up small amounts , with or without static.
Dang, used to clean pot on an LP album cover to sort out the seeds. Now I need to find my LPs so I can sift my kief?
S
sourpuss
Im thinking compressed air, since carding seems to be the best way. Imo the pollen or garbage needs to be forced through the mesh. Only other way I see quick and easily is compressed air. Funny cause those little canisters for your keyboard, when used shoot cold air. Im sure its compressiom thing, butane as well. I thinkbpropane also, anyway, not talking about chemicals....
Proper design could be a good portable mass produced unit. Or any size..... if the idea even works.... im thinking drum roller along with compressed air. Wouldnt want to blow 2 pounds of pollen into the air
Proper design could be a good portable mass produced unit. Or any size..... if the idea even works.... im thinking drum roller along with compressed air. Wouldnt want to blow 2 pounds of pollen into the air
