U.S. Government spying on entire U.S., to nobody's surprise

[vta]

We all know that this Snowden/N S A spy shit is bad...it's not only against our natural rights, it's against the founding principals that this country was founded on. This scandal is only one of the many this Administration is responsible for. The cover-up of Benghazi, the I R S targeting, Obamacare and few more...these are all attacks on our liberty. They are chipping away at the Constitution and our rights. It is known and pretty clear the Democrats want Big Government and Social Dependency. The Republicans aren't any better. With guys like Lindsey Graham, John McCain and don't forget John Boehner and Mitch McConnell, the Republican party's establishment has no balls to stand up for true conservative ideals...think Libertarian ideals.

The Framers of the Constitution knew that one or more of the branches of the Federal Government may gain enough power to take away the rights of the people and run away from the Constitution. It boggles the mind when thinking about how much liberty we have lost...most of it during the last hundred years...the progressive years.

What are we to do? What can the people do stop this massive attack on our rights??? Well first you thing you have to do, is give a shit. If you don't care that your rights are going out the window or care about the militarization of our police forces or even the massive expansion of government, regulating and directing all aspects of our lives...then do nothing, like most Americans. Wait...I'm not going to sit here are tell people what they need to do...not my yob man. I will say though that people need to wake up and see what the fuck is going on around them. Unfortunately if you are under 30 you have no real idea, or can't really relate on how the way of life was before the onslaught or rather demise of the American way of life. People need to talk to other people...keep informed on what congress is doing, what the executive branch does...what the Supreme Court does. Only then will you know...know who speaks for you. Believe it or not, there are representatives out there that have the same beliefs that you do...support them...with your vote. We need to get these career politicians out of office. Until term limits are a reality...many that enter high levels of government...become corrupt, become part of the machine. Right now I can only think of a few that have it right...Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and Rand Paul are some of them.

I'll leave you with this....this country needs a major turn around...so much of a turn around that we cannot depend on our current set of representatives to do it. Of course we need to support those that are right...but they are too few. The Constitution has been molested, it's been twisted and distorted. We need to use the Constitution to fix the Constitution. Check out Article 5 of the Constitution. Mark Levin as just released a new book that you might want to check out as well, it's call The Liberty Amendments. Article 5 of the Constitution address the issue I have discussed. It says that the states can propose amendments to the Constitution and bypass the Federal government. Mark lays this out and proposes some new amendments that can help restore this country to what it was...what is was meant to be. If you have a couple more minutes...I suggest you read the fist chapter by clicking here.

 

[1TWISTEDTRUCKER]

vta
It blows my mind that while I was composing a long PM to you that you were writing this, now im going to finish reading your post.

Peace 1TT

 

[BrnCow]

That Gary dude from NM seems to get it also...Boner McCain and many others flat need to go...Bidet is a douche...

 

[Jericho Mile]

Why do they want to chip away at our rights? What is the big benefit to them for doing this? Legit questions

 

[Hydrosun]

Why do they want to chip away at our rights? What is the big benefit to them for doing this? Legit questions

To maintain an improper economic / social advantage for themselves and their chosen successors (their children).

It is better to be part of the group that controls the whip hand and is free from the lash of the injustice system; than to feel the sting on your own back as you try to mind your own business.

That is why these fucks seek to limit the natural rights of their neighbors (you and I).

 

[floralheart]

Why do they want to chip away at our rights? What is the big benefit to them for doing this? Legit questions

Psychologically preparing people for a theatre of war. It's what I like to call, the War Bubble.

Which should also be the name of a strain, lol. SourBubble x Warlock.

Back in serious mode. You need to break a people psychologially and mentally before you defeat them physically and force them to your will, be it a military draft, a major in-theater war where the homeland becomes a battlefield, pushing people from their housing or land by force or some other act of choraling a populace. Otherwise, the peasants would turn on you.

Lastly, once you have blinded the citizen with propaganda and put them into a deep hypnotic suggestion, you need to bring them out of that trance before you can beat them as your opponent. Why? Because they have to become consciously aware they have lost to concede victory to the victor. They are literally instructing the populace that they have been defeated.

I often laugh at the awakened movement as I puff and plot my course on the map. A hypnotist is bringing them out of the trance, they believe to their benefit, however it's to their detriment.

Inception, I'm Wide Awake, Good Morning Vietnam and The Dawn of a New Day to the Dawn of the Dead, subtle seeds planted in the mind.

Most battles involve the loser beating themselves mentally before facing the opponent physically to sling arrows, therefore the greatest enemy lies within.

Major war bubbles come once in every 5 generations for your clan, that way the generations can't teach each other to effectively defend against such treatment.

I'd advise anyone with the same mindset to simply step off of the game board and stay off of the black squares.

- Hippie mentalist wisdom, gnome sayin?

 

[frito bandito]

I don't give a shit whether Bradley Manning wants to be a girl or whatever. The dude has suffered for us all. He has been tortured for years on end, kept naked in solitary confinement and away from all human contact. He has been demonized by the government just for being who he is. When he made a statement at his "trial" telling everyone how sorry for he was for the terrible things he did, did you take that at face value too? He only said that because of the fucked up things that were done to him. This guy is a hero. And no I'm not gonna call him a her. I am not a big fan of trannys etc. In fact I think homosexuality and the like is an abnormal condition, a mental disorder, which is caused by our fucked up society, and definitely isn't anything to celebrate or be proud of. He's still a fucking hero.

 

[Hydrosun]

Frito,

I know way too many smart and productive gay people to buy into your initial belief. I suggest that you open your mind to the possibility that homosexuality is a fact of human existence and with 6 billion of us crawling the globe there are going to be some % born gay. This is a fact of human history, not just a sign of the times.

 

[Jericho Mile]

Psychologically preparing people for a theatre of war. It's what I like to call, the War Bubble.

Which should also be the name of a strain, lol. SourBubble x Warlock.

Back in serious mode. You need to break a people psychologially and mentally before you defeat them physically and force them to your will, be it a military draft, a major in-theater war where the homeland becomes a battlefield, pushing people from their housing or land by force or some other act of choraling a populace. Otherwise, the peasants would turn on you.

Lastly, once you have blinded the citizen with propaganda and put them into a deep hypnotic suggestion, you need to bring them out of that trance before you can beat them as your opponent. Why? Because they have to become consciously aware they have lost to concede victory to the victor. They are literally instructing the populace that they have been defeated.

I often laugh at the awakened movement as I puff and plot my course on the map. A hypnotist is bringing them out of the trance, they believe to their benefit, however it's to their detriment.

Inception, I'm Wide Awake, Good Morning Vietnam and The Dawn of a New Day to the Dawn of the Dead, subtle seeds planted in the mind.

Most battles involve the loser beating themselves mentally before facing the opponent physically to sling arrows, therefore the greatest enemy lies within.

Major war bubbles come once in every 5 generations for your clan, that way the generations can't teach each other to effectively defend against such treatment.

I'd advise anyone with the same mindset to simply step off of the game board and stay off of the black squares.

- Hippie mentalist wisdom, gnome sayin?

I would venture forth that...the population is already giving them everything they want...and that..it's more profitable for all...if the they keep the population thinking they are free. Consumerism relies on the subjects giving them money...and making the products...they sell to us. I'd suspect..it's easier to keep people happy if the are deluded into thinking they are free...and have choices

The population has been beat for a long time. Look at what the majority eat..what they wear..what they drink..and where they get these things. Killing themselves to live....here pop another pill...don't worry about that heartburn...

I can't take anything serious...i really can not

 

[Hydrosun]

Moochers are always happiest when there is sufficient McFood to mooch. If the average size of Merikans is any example, there is much happiness in Moocherland.

 

[bentom187]

......

 

[frito bandito]

I know way too many smart and productive gay people

So do I. I said nothing about their intelligence or productivity.

I suggest that you open your mind

My mind is about as open as open minds get.

to the possibility that homosexuality is a fact of human existence and with 6 billion of us crawling the globe there are going to be some % born gay. This is a fact of human history, not just a sign of the times.

Respectfully, I understand this a lot better than most people do. It's a fact of human history AND a sign of the times.

I have spent a lot of time thinking about WHY people (not individuals per se, but individuals within the context of a larger society) become gay. It is something that has happened throughout human history, and it IS also a sign of the times. What we're seeing today with the massive number of freaks appearing in Western civilization, is the result of an oppressive, rigid, formalized, ruled, regulated, and red-taped society, which is only becoming more oppressive by the day. It is becoming more and more difficult for a man these days to be an actual man, due to the power structure which oppresses real men at every turn. That's in essence why a lot of beta and gamma males turn gay, and some alphas, because they are unable to compete within the system set up by the elites to disenfranchise them of their manhood. I admit there is a lot more subtle detail to this big picture that I do not yet understand / have not become aware of, but that's the gist of it.

 

[frito bandito]

Look at Japan for another example. There are not a lot of gay people there, and will never be as it would never be accepted by Japanese. But there ARE a lot of FREAKS though. That place is home of the craziest sexual perversions on the planet. Instead of masses of dudes turning gay, we get masses of young men who shut themselves up inside their houses and never come out, preferring to live their lives out on the Internet. There is a reason for all this, it didn't "just happen."

 

[Jericho Mile]

Moochers are always happiest when there is sufficient McFood to mooch. If the average size of Merikans is any example, there is much happiness in Moocherland.

Affirmative. A cell padded by excessive fat and disease. It's insanity. I can no longer find sympathy...so if this is the dream...if this is what all the wars are for........no thank you. The collective state of our society is not for me....you can change the hierarchy...change the bosses...but it will change nothing. The sale is long over

All you can do is change your diet...fend for yourself..and stay out of the way of the crazies. That's the extent of my activism..so far...so good. Stay healthy

 

[floralheart]

They are slave masters we are chattel on the estate, meaning slaves. It benefits them because they don't actually work or produce anything for society except war and death.

lets begin by exploring the tail end of Unum sanctum,the worlds first express trust.

Good post. Only quoted part.

Where's Anthony J. Hilder and Jordan when you need them? Looking cool in those Coogi sweaters like it's 1995.

 

[bentom187]

I really don't follow them in fact i have never heard of Mr.Hilder until now. Jordan Maxwell, I have heard of but don't listen too presuming that is who you are referring too. so I cant comment too much on either of their positions.

coogi sweaters? yikes.

anyhow... we are not too far off from this if we are not there already. the state is the new religion in china.

China Bans Reincarnation Without Government Permission

In one of history's more absurd acts of totalitarianism, China has banned Buddhist monks in Tibet from reincarnating without government permission. According to a statement issued by the State Administration for Religious Affairs, the law, which goes into effect next month and strictly stipulates the procedures by which one is to reincarnate, is "an important move to institutionalize management of reincarnation." But beyond the irony lies China's true motive: to cut off the influence of the Dalai Lama, Tibet's exiled spiritual and political leader, and to quell the region's Buddhist religious establishment more than 50 years after China invaded the small Himalayan country. By barring any Buddhist monk living outside China from seeking reincarnation, the law effectively gives Chinese authorities the power to choose the next Dalai Lama, whose soul, by tradition, is reborn as a new human to continue the work of relieving suffering.

 

[Harry Gypsna]

So do I. I said nothing about their intelligence or productivity.



My mind is about as open as open minds get.



Respectfully, I understand this a lot better than most people do. It's a fact of human history AND a sign of the times.

I have spent a lot of time thinking about WHY people (not individuals per se, but individuals within the context of a larger society) become gay. It is something that has happened throughout human history, and it IS also a sign of the times. What we're seeing today with the massive number of freaks appearing in Western civilization, is the result of an oppressive, rigid, formalized, ruled, regulated, and red-taped society, which is only becoming more oppressive by the day. It is becoming more and more difficult for a man these days to be an actual man, due to the power structure which oppresses real men at every turn. That's in essence why a lot of beta and gamma males turn gay, and some alphas, because they are unable to compete within the system set up by the elites to disenfranchise them of their manhood. I admit there is a lot more subtle detail to this big picture that I do not yet understand / have not become aware of, but that's the gist of it.

Nobody "Becomes" Gay, you either are or you are not. There is no choice involved, other than the choice to live a lie, have a painful relationship with a cover spouse, maybe have some kids and fuck all their lives up with your misery, or be true to yourself and be who you are, fuck who you are attracted to and love who you love.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1JhjugqB0U

As for the "Only being gay because society won't let you be a real manly man" thing, I say Poppycock. Some of the most macho cultures in ancient History had lots man love going on. Many of the ancient Greek Tribes positively revered it. The Spartans were notorious for their widespread arse-fuckery.
Explain Rock Hudson (My grannies heart-throb), a well known "Power Bottom" surreptitiously taking it up the wrong un in a time when Men were definitely "still Men" Your pet theory, does not count as fact, no matter how long and hard (sniggers to self at unintentional double entendre) you have thought about it, until you have some real measurable, repeatable evidence to back it up with. The idea that homosexuality/transgender are mental disorders has been tested and shown to be horseshit decades ago.
My friend killed himself at 15 because some people can't just get the fuck over it. Don't like Gay sex? Don't have it.
The reason we have so many people "Becoming" gay now is because we in most of the Western world no longer burn them alive, put them in prison, or force them to undergo lobotomies and electro-shock therapy to "Cure" them.

Regarding Bradley Manning's Gender identity issues, the US Military knew about this, and the mental distress it was causing him long before he gave the dirt to Wikileaks.

If the US and UK governments had had the spying capability they have now, back when people were campaigning for homosexuality to be legal, all those gay rights groups would have been locked up as dangerous subversives and organised criminals. (That should keep my post kinda on topic )

 

[Storm Shadow]

NSA paid millions to cover Prism compliance costs for tech companies

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/23/nsa-prism-costs-tech-companies-paid

 

[bentom187]

Snowden: UK government now leaking documents about itself

The NSA whistleblower says: 'I have never spoken with, worked with, or provided any journalistic materials to the Independent'

The Independent this morning published an article - which it repeatedly claims comes from "documents obtained from the NSA by Edward Snowden" - disclosing that "Britain runs a secret internet-monitoring station in the Middle East to intercept and process vast quantities of emails, telephone calls and web traffic on behalf of Western intelligence agencies." This is the first time the Independent has published any revelations purportedly from the NSA documents, and it's the type of disclosure which journalists working directly with NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden have thus far avoided.

That leads to the obvious question: who is the source for this disclosure? Snowden this morning said he wants it to be clear that he was not the source for the Independent, stating:


I have never spoken with, worked with, or provided any journalistic materials to the Independent. The journalists I have worked with have, at my request, been judicious and careful in ensuring that the only things disclosed are what the public should know but that does not place any person in danger. People at all levels of society up to and including the President of the United States have recognized the contribution of these careful disclosures to a necessary public debate, and we are proud of this record.

"It appears that the UK government is now seeking to create an appearance that the Guardian and Washington Post's disclosures are harmful, and they are doing so by intentionally leaking harmful information to The Independent and attributing it to others. The UK government should explain the reasoning behind this decision to disclose information that, were it released by a private citizen, they would argue is a criminal act."

In other words: right as there is a major scandal over the UK's abusive and lawless exploitation of its Terrorism Act - with public opinion against the use of the Terrorism law to detain David Miranda - and right as the UK government is trying to tell a court that there are serious dangers to the public safety from these documents, there suddenly appears exactly the type of disclosure the UK government wants but that has never happened before. That is why Snowden is making clear: despite the Independent's attempt to make it appears that it is so, he is not their source for that disclosure. Who, then, is?

The US government itself has constantly used this tactic: aggressively targeting those who disclose embarrassing or incriminating information about the government in the name of protecting the sanctity of classified information, while simultaneously leaking classified information prolifically when doing so advances their political interests.

One other matter about the Independent article: it strongly suggests that there is some agreement in place to restrict the Guardian's ongoing reporting about the NSA documents. Speaking for myself, let me make one thing clear: I'm not aware of, nor subject to, any agreement that imposes any limitations of any kind on the reporting that I am doing on these documents. I would never agree to any such limitations. As I've made repeatedly clear, bullying tactics of the kind we saw this week will not deter my reporting or the reporting of those I'm working with in any way. I'm working hard on numerous new and significant NSA stories and intend to publish them the moment they are ready.

Related question

For those in the media and elsewhere arguing that the possession and transport of classified information is a crime: does that mean you believe that not only Daniel Ellsberg committed a felony, but also the New York Times reporters and editors did when they received, possessed, copied, transported and published the thousands of pages of top-secret documents known as the Pentagon Papers?

Do you also believe the Washington Post committed felonies when receiving and then publishing top secret information that the Bush administration was maintaining a network for CIA black sites around the world, or when the New York Times revealed in 2005 the top secret program whereby the NSA had created a warrantlesss eavesdropping program aimed at US citizens?

Or is this some newly created standard of criminality that applies only to our NSA reporting? Do media figures who are advocating that possessing or transmitting classified information is a crime really not comprehend the precedent they are setting for investigative journalism?

UPDATE

The Independent's Oliver Wright just tweeted the following:


"For the record: The Independent was not leaked or 'duped' into publishing today's front page story by the Government."

Leaving aside the fact that the Independent article quotes an anonymous "senior Whitehall source", nobody said they were "duped" into publishing anything. The question is: who provided them this document or the information in it? It clearly did not come from Snowden or any of the journalists with whom he has directly worked. The Independent provided no source information whatsoever for their rather significant disclosure of top secret information. Did they see any such documents, and if so, who, generally, provided it to them? I don't mean, obviously, that they should identify their specific source, but at least some information about their basis for these claims, given how significant they are, would be warranted. One would think that they would not have published something like this without either seeing the documents or getting confirmation from someone who has: the class of people who qualify is very small, and includes, most prominently and obviously, the UK government itself.

 

[Storm Shadow]

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/larry-summers-and-the-secret-end-game-memo

The Confidential Memo at the Heart of the Global Financial Crisis

When a little birdie dropped the End Game memo through my window, its content was so explosive, so sick and plain evil, I just couldn't believe it.

The Memo confirmed every conspiracy freak’s fantasy: that in the late 1990s, the top US Treasury officials secretly conspired with a small cabal of banker big-shots to rip apart financial regulation across the planet. When you see 26.3 percent unemployment in Spain, desperation and hunger in Greece, riots in Indonesia and Detroit in bankruptcy, go back to this End Game memo, the genesis of the blood and tears.

The Treasury official playing the bankers’ secret End Game was Larry Summers. Today, Summers is Barack Obama’s leading choice for Chairman of the US Federal Reserve, the world’s central bank. If the confidential memo is authentic, then Summers shouldn’t be serving on the Fed, he should be serving hard time in some dungeon reserved for the criminally insane of the finance world.

The memo is authentic.

I had to fly to Geneva to get confirmation and wangle a meeting with the Secretary General of the World Trade Organisation, Pascal Lamy. Lamy, the Generalissimo of Globalisation, told me,

“The WTO was not created as some dark cabal of multinationals secretly cooking plots against the people... We don’t have cigar-smoking, rich, crazy bankers negotiating.”

Then I showed him the memo.

It begins with Larry Summers’ flunky, Timothy Geithner, reminding his boss to call the Bank bigshots to order their lobbyist armies to march:

“As we enter the end-game of the WTO financial services negotiations, I believe it would be a good idea for you to touch base with the CEOs…”

To avoid Summers having to call his office to get the phone numbers (which, under US law, would have to appear on public logs), Geithner listed the private lines of what were then the five most powerful CEOs on the planet. And here they are:

Goldman Sachs: John Corzine (212)902-8281

Merrill Lynch: David Kamanski (212)449-6868

Bank of America: David Coulter (415)622-2255

Citibank: John Reed (212)559-2732

Chase Manhattan: Walter Shipley (212)270-1380

Lamy was right: They don’t smoke cigars. Go ahead and dial them. I did, and sure enough, got a cheery personal hello from Reed – cheery until I revealed I wasn't Larry Summers. (Note: The other numbers were swiftly disconnected. And Corzine can’t be reached while he faces criminal charges.)

It's not the little cabal of confabs held by Summers and the banksters that’s so troubling. The horror is in the purpose of the "end game” itself.

Let me explain:

The year was 1997. US Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin was pushing hard to de-regulate banks. That required, first, repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act to dismantle the barrier between commercial banks and investment banks. It was like replacing bank vaults with roulette wheels.

Second, the banks wanted the right to play a new high-risk game: “derivatives trading”. JP Morgan alone would soon carry $88 trillion of these pseudo-securities on its books as “assets”.

Deputy Treasury Secretary Summers (soon to replace Rubin as Secretary) body-blocked any attempt to control derivatives.

But what was the use of turning US banks into derivatives casinos if money would flee to nations with safer banking laws?

The answer conceived by the Big Bank Five: eliminate controls on banks in every nation on the planet -- in one single move. It was as brilliant as it was insanely dangerous.

How could they pull off this mad caper? The bankers' and Summers' game was to use the Financial Services Agreement (or FSA), an abstruse and benign addendum to the international trade agreements policed by the World Trade Organisation.

Until the bankers began their play, the WTO agreements dealt simply with trade in goods – that is, my cars for your bananas. The new rules devised by Summers and the banks would force all nations to accept trade in "bads" – toxic assets like financial derivatives.

Until the bankers’ re-draft of the FSA, each nation controlled and chartered the banks within their own borders. The new rules of the game would force every nation to open their markets to Citibank, JP Morgan and their derivatives “products”.

And all 156 nations in the WTO would have to smash down their own Glass-Steagall divisions between commercial savings banks and the investment banks that gamble with derivatives.

The job of turning the FSA into the bankers’ battering ram was given to Geithner, who was named Ambassador to the World Trade Organisation.


Bankers Go Bananas

Why in the world would any nation agree to let its banking system be boarded and seized by financial pirates like JP Morgan?

The answer, in the case of Ecuador, was bananas. Ecuador was truly a banana republic. The yellow fruit was that nation’s life-and-death source of hard currency. If it refused to sign the new FSA, Ecuador could feed its bananas to the monkeys and go back into bankruptcy. Ecuador signed.

And so on – with every single nation bullied into signing.

Every nation but one, I should say. Brazil’s new President, Inacio Lula da Silva, refused. In retaliation, Brazil was threatened with a virtual embargo of its products by the European Union's Trade Commissioner, one Peter Mandelson, according to another confidential memo I got my hands on. But Lula’s refusenik stance paid off for Brazil which, alone among Western nations, survived and thrived during the 2007-9 bank crisis.

China signed – but got its pound of flesh in return. It opened its banking sector a crack in return for access and control of the US auto parts and other markets. (Swiftly, two million US jobs shifted to China.)

The new FSA pulled the lid off the Pandora’s box of worldwide derivatives trade. Among the notorious transactions legalised: Goldman Sachs (where Treasury Secretary Rubin had been co-chairman) worked a secret euro-derivatives swap with Greece which, ultimately, destroyed that nation. Ecuador, its own banking sector de-regulated and demolished, exploded into riots. Argentina had to sell off its oil companies (to the Spanish) and water systems (to Enron) while its teachers hunted for food in garbage cans. Then, Bankers Gone Wild in the Eurozone dove head-first into derivatives pools without knowing how to swim – and the continent is now being sold off in tiny, cheap pieces to Germany.

Of course, it was not just threats that sold the FSA, but temptation as well. After all, every evil starts with one bite of an apple offered by a snake. The apple: the gleaming piles of lucre hidden in the FSA for local elites. The snake was named Larry.

Does all this evil and pain flow from a single memo? Of course not: the evil was The Game itself, as played by the banker clique. The memo only revealed their game-plan for checkmate.

And the memo reveals a lot about Summers and Obama.

While billions of sorry souls are still hurting from worldwide banker-made disaster, Rubin and Summers didn’t do too badly. Rubin’s deregulation of banks had permitted the creation of a financial monstrosity called “Citigroup”. Within weeks of leaving office, Rubin was named director, then Chairman of Citigroup – which went bankrupt while managing to pay Rubin a total of $126 million.

Then Rubin took on another post: as key campaign benefactor to a young State Senator, Barack Obama. Only days after his election as President, Obama, at Rubin’s insistence, gave Summers the odd post of US “Economics Tsar” and made Geithner his Tsarina (that is, Secretary of Treasury). In 2010, Summers gave up his royalist robes to return to “consulting” for Citibank and other creatures of bank deregulation whose payments have raised Summers’ net worth by $31 million since the “end-game” memo.

That Obama would, at Robert Rubin’s demand, now choose Summers to run the Federal Reserve Board means that, unfortunately, we are far from the end of the game.