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Seattle Hempfest

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CT Guy

Went to Hempfest this past weekend to check it out. Was pretty bothered by the whole experience so I just sent them this letter through their website. We'll see if I get a response....

Thoughts?


To Whom It May Concern,

I attended Hempfest this past year and have gone in years past. I have a couple of things that I'd like to bring to your attention for future events and also for the future of the legalization movement that your organization champions.

To let you know where I'm coming from, I have an organic hydro shop in ___________ and also have an online business selling organic gardening products. I've been in the industry for over 10 years and work with all types of growers on how to grow healthy plants without using chemicals. One thing I noticed about Hempfest, is that there is very little emphasis on growing plants, but rather more on food vendors, glass, getting medical cards, and memorabilia. Those things are fine, but are people even aware of the dangers associated with buying cannabis from growers or dispensaries they don't know? I know of many growers that are using products like 'Gravity' by Humboldt Nutrients, which contains known carcinogens. It's only allowed for use on ornamental plants, yet is being marketed to the cannabis industry and a bud hardener. The dept. of Agriculture has started to go around and pull these off the shelves, however I know some hydro shops that are just listing them on Craigslist for even more money.

Another product being used is called 'Eagle 20' and it's a systemic pesticide, meaning it remains in the plant and continues to prevent disease (in this case powdery mildew). This makes it much easier for the grower, however it also means that some of it will be in the final product, which people are then inhaling or ingesting.

If people need 'medicine' they shouldn't be subjected to plant matter that contains known carcinogens and recreational users shouldn't be putting their lives at risk unknowingly. I think there needs to be a greater education on this subject, as I've only listed a couple of examples above. There's also the issue of mold or other microbes on the bud. This is why testing or regulation is so important in my opinion. Right now, there's no way for the average consumer or patient to know what they're consuming. If you would like to chat further or want more information on this subject, please don't hesitate to contact me. We sell a water-only soil mix so that if a person with a medical condition came in and wanted to grow a plant, they wouldn't be overwhelmed with all these bottled nutrients and fancy marketing. They could literally just get the soil, and then water their plant, and not worry about chemicals, pesticides, and other poisons in their 'medicine.'

My second issue is of an entirely different nature. I have so say that when I was walking through Hempfest, rather than enjoying the experience I had trouble not getting angry or upset. I stood in line with a pregnant mother who was smoking next to me, and watched a 10 year old boy roll a joint. It seemed like it was predominantly teenagers this year, that were using the opportunity to get stoned in front of the cops. I think that if people want cannabis to gain legitimacy as a medical alternative, or even as a recreational option, then it is important that events reflect a level of public responsibility and don't condone underage drug use. I think that Hempfest should be an adult-only event. You would never have an event like this with alcohol, or allow a 10 year old boy to be drinking opening in front of police officers. Why not step up and regulate yourselves before public pressure or complaints force the city to do it for you?

To be clear, I'm all for the legalization of cannabis, I just wanted to bring these issues to light. Any response would be greatly appreciated, as these things have been weighing on my mind since the weekend. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
xxxxxxx
 

yortbogey

To Have More ... Desire Less
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well written~indeed, hope they listen the truth hurts....the very reasons
I DON'T DO HEMPFEST....
 

BOMBAYCAT

Well-known member
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Do you think it was about the money the festival brings in? I heard LEO was passing out Doritos which seems strange to me.
 

Jbomber79

Active member
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You should have signed a name any name really and cut the I'm a shop owner out, they really
don't have any business knowing anything other than your a concerned patron who noticed that hempfest is powered by vendors and the almighty dollar bill brah.... Isn't that what's it's always about? Mr. Benji..
 

Jbomber79

Active member
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WA has some really cool folks and some very heady ones at that but from what I have read and viewed it's a mess using mj as a double edged sword.

well written~indeed, hope they listen the truth hurts....the very reasons
I DON'T DO HEMPFEST....
 

DabSnob

Member
went to Hempfest once. never went back. too many kids, too much commercial advertising and not enough education. seems like its more of a fuck you to the police than anything else.

as for the quality control of peoples "medicine", up here in Bellingham both the dispensaries require a full lab test of any product to be distributed. any product found to contain ANY trace of pesticides/fungicides/chemicals or other health hazards is not excepted and that grower is flagged in their system.
 

dank.frank

ef.yu.se.ka.e.em
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Interestingly enough, I've been invited to HempFest the last two years to host a booth and give seminars on organic soil and PROPER techniques for producing REAL medicine vs the high show floss and gloss advertisements of the big leagues.

Both years I've declined...perhaps I should take the invites more seriously hearing such things...


dank.Frank
 
C

CT Guy

I'd come hear ya Frank! And I am glad I'm not the only one that thinks this is wrong. There was a Doritos thing this year where the Seattle Police handed out 1,000 bags of Doritos with the new recreational laws on the back, but it was more as a media gimmick than anything.

And the reason I used my information and name in the actual letter is because I felt it was important that they knew who I was and where I was coming from and also to create a level of professionalism regarding the use of chemicals in growing. Not sure if it was the right approach or not, but that was my logic.
 

dank.frank

ef.yu.se.ka.e.em
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I guess my thought is this - we have no right to complain about the influx of the recreational crowds - IF - we, the ones who KNOW what an amazing benefit cannabis can be to the medical groups, do nothing to make our presence at such events known.

I have been wondering how quickly "medical" would fade under full legalization...

Perhaps, the medical growers / patients / crowd needs to start back at square one again - distinguishing itself from the masses and starting it's own festivals / events.

Sounds crazy considering legalization was built off the sweat, blood and deaths of many true patients - but I suppose the reality is you don't go to the doctors office looking for a party - and it would seem that HempFest and many other 4/20 type events have become just that...

Like you CT_Guy, I'm NOT against recreational or full legalization - but there NEEDS to be a way for those seeking MEDICINE - who have a NEED - to find the information they are seeking. That is how the NSPB mix was born - compassion clubs and understanding that many medical patients didn't want to deal with (or rely on) some youngster to be in charge of what is literally their health and well being and in some cases, survival. As you came to understand yourself - the organic just add water approach allows others to produce quality far beyond the so called experts, with much less confusion and disambiguation, 100x purer, with all the independence and freedom they desire in their lives. It takes people to expert level in one or two cycles - with just a bit of proper dirt and a good water source...

Now - how do we make a dent into the mass media culture (and financial conglomerates) that are very rapidly leaching the benefits from our YEARS of hard work and completely undermining the medical community ...sigh...your letter only addresses the very tip of the iceberg...I know you know that!! :respect:



dank.Frank
 
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C

CT Guy

Frank,

I'm hoping the organizers of this event will be open to some sort of dialogue on the subject as a means to raise public awareness, but we'll see.

Here's the response I got from them so far:
Thanks for your good input. We cannot by law restrict by age as a free speech event. I have more to say, but in too much pain right now to type it out. I'll respond in a few days.



-Vv
 
C

CT Guy

Is there another name for this product???

Keep on growing :)

General Hydroponics has a product as well, I think it's called Bushload or Bushmaster or something like that. The way they get away with keeping it on the shelves is that they list somewhere on the bottle "for ornamental use only." It's a shady loophole in my opinion since most people that walk into a grow shop are probably growing cannabis.

There are many products like this. And I'm only mentioning the potentially dangerous ones. That doesn't address the 90% of grow shop products that are merely overpriced, worthless, or have false claims about their efficacy.
 

Microbeman

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Thanks for that CT Guy. Very well said.

As you know, I've long been an advocate for down toning the fertilizers, poisons and other commercial amendments used in the cannabis industry (and other growing) which have potential harmful effects.

A big eye opener for me was the research showing that plants with glandular trichomes retain residuals of some soluble fertilizers. This was revealed primarily in the tobacco plant which retains forms of phosphorus as radio-active substances which are imbued into one's lungs upon smoking. There are some theories that this is the main cause of lung cancer in tobacco smokers.

The forms of phosphorus utilized are no different than those often pushed by the cannabis fertilizer industry.

Hypothetically this is just the beginning of discoveries of harmful substances which are sequestered in cannabis plant tissue as greedy growers buy into the easy yield boost scenario.

Just as Washington is entering a new phase of regulation so is Canada, the difference being that in Canada it is still oriented strictly to medicinal. I have a great fear that when the contracts are awarded and the dust settles, it will be big money which wins the day.

I have been approached for advice by several big growers who are the ones likely to get the commercial licenses. I have been dismayed that their greatest concern is to push for the big yield and good healthy quality is secondary.
 
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OrganicOzarks

I applaud the effort, but it is wasted.

Would you go to a State fair, and then write the same letter about the food? Probably not as America just really does not care what they put in their bodies.

I eat an all organic vegetarian diet, and have done so for over 15 years. In those years the one thing I have learned is that everyone else does not give a fuck about what chemical laden products they ingest.

It is just a fact of life.

Would you go to Oktoberfest, and write them a letter about the quality of all of the beers? No you wouldn't.

I do agree with keeping it adult. When you start allowing pregnant woman, and children then all you are doing is adding fuel to the opposition's fire.

That being said marijuana use for morning sickness, sleeplessness, etc. in pregnant woman is just fine by me. As well as children that actually need to use it.

Again I commend the effort, but we are in the minority.
 

DabSnob

Member
Ozarks,
i can tell you that a Complaining about the food at a fair, or arguing the quality of beers at oktoberfest are not the same as complaining about the lack of marijuana education at a marijuana festival. in a state where we are trying to legalize recreational use you think they would try and reach out to patients and recreational users about the harmful chemicals some growers use. there are plenty of products on the shelf that contain carcinogens aimed towards ornamental plants that are still being used in nute lineups for growing cannabis. I believe if people knew these chemicals where being used they would be sure to check for them in their nutrients and in the quality of there medicine. This is the direct reason the dispensaries in my area require a full lab test before you can "donate" product to them, to keep the patients safe and educated on exactly what they are ingesting, inhaling.

i understand with food products 90% of people could careless about how there food is grown or what its grown with but with cannabis it seems to be much more important to people. i believe we could interest patients and recreational users if we educated them correctly. we cant loose faith! we have to push for education over commercialization!
 
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OrganicOzarks

I live in a small hippie town where just about everyone is health conscious. They all smoke outdoor Cali weed even after I go through the list of things that may have been used on it. People just don't give a fuck.
 
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OrganicOzarks

I agree with you. I feel in 20-30 years people will look back at us, and wonder why everyone wasn't questioning what was in all of that herb that they were smoking.
 

Hydrosun

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in a state where we are trying to legalize recreational use you think they would try and reach out to patients and recreational users about the harmful chemicals some growers use. there are plenty of products on the shelf that contain carcinogens aimed towards ornamental plants that are still being used in nute lineups for growing cannabis. I believe if people knew these chemicals where being used they would be sure to check for them in their nutrients and in the quality of there medicine. This is the direct reason the dispensaries in my area require a full lab test before you can "donate" product to them, to keep the patients safe and educated on exactly what they are ingesting, inhaling.

I'll bight, what are these terrible things being used by growers and causing cancer in cannabis consumers?

I'd like to be able to check for them in my nutes and understand how they are tested for in the medicine I produce.

:joint:
 
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