First Grow! General Hydroponics Flora, K.I.S.S or Bottle directions? and other Q.s

[stikypete]

Hello everybody.

I am starting my first grow, I have been using the K.I.S.S Method with the General Hydroponics Flora 3 Part, all of the plants are from seed in red beer cups and some of them seem to be flowing (are), one is going full out. Lights are in 16/8. Should I use the bottle Directions of 1-1-1 , 3-2-1 for aggressive veg ect... vs Lucas Formula? I want to be able to veg them out into monsters but and unable to transplant them for a week to 10 days, into larger pots.
Im going to take clones to save them..hopefully they wont flower in larger pots when their not so stressed. Only one strain is flowering the other are doing their thing.
How much water should be running out of the cups?
How often should i feed once every other watering or twice a month?

 

[medicalmj]

Hello everybody.

I am starting my first grow, I have been using the K.I.S.S Method with the General Hydroponics Flora 3 Part, all of the plants are from seed in red beer cups and some of them seem to be flowing (are), one is going full out. Lights are in 16/8. Should I use the bottle Directions of 1-1-1 , 3-2-1 for aggressive veg ect... vs Lucas Formula? I want to be able to veg them out into monsters but and unable to transplant them for a week to 10 days, into larger pots.
Im going to take clones to save them..hopefully they wont flower in larger pots when their not so stressed. Only one strain is flowering the other are doing their thing.
How much water should be running out of the cups?
How often should i feed once every other watering or twice a month?

GH recently tweaked their Flora series (3 pt) feed chart, which I use almost exactly. Sounds like you're in soil/soilless, I'm in coco. I'd suggest the drain to waste simple.

The veg feed is 5ml/gal grow, 4ml/gal micro, 1ml/gal bloom, 1ml/gal rapid start and 1ml/gal floralisious plus.

The bloom feed 1ml/gal grow, 4ml/gal micro, 5ml/gal bloom, 1ml/gal rapid start (until about 4wks in to flwr), 2.5 ml/gal liquid Koolbloom and 1ml/gal floralisious plus.

There is a transition feed of 4ml each for about 1 week, with all other stuff but no koolbloom. And the rate of kool bloom goes up last couple weeks to around 5 ml/gal.

Since I'm in coco I use 2.5 ml/gal CalMag + from botanicaire.

I use this everytime I "water". I feed twice per day using drip emitters on a digi timer. I like to have 10-15% run off per feed. I set my timers accordingly and adjust length of "on" to keep run off at that level.

They shouldn't flwr on 18/6 unless their auto. I grow some pretty huge plants(2 sometimes 3 per 1k +-3'x4' each) in 5 gal airpots using this recipe. And I've left em the red cups for longer than deisred w no problems.
This works better for me than Lucas and is pretty affordable compared to some other lines. I've tried many and this is as good as any.

 

[Snype]

Hello everybody.

I am starting my first grow, I have been using the K.I.S.S Method with the General Hydroponics Flora 3 Part, all of the plants are from seed in red beer cups and some of them seem to be flowing (are), one is going full out. Lights are in 16/8. Should I use the bottle Directions of 1-1-1 , 3-2-1 for aggressive veg ect... vs Lucas Formula? I want to be able to veg them out into monsters but and unable to transplant them for a week to 10 days, into larger pots.
Im going to take clones to save them..hopefully they wont flower in larger pots when their not so stressed. Only one strain is flowering the other are doing their thing.
How much water should be running out of the cups?
How often should i feed once every other watering or twice a month?

I've been using the Flora series for years. The Grow is not needed at all and I never use any grow because the Micro has what you need in it already. It sounds like 1 of your plants went into flower either because it is root bound or you do not have adequate light. Wait a minute, 16/8 is a light schedule that I would not personally use in VEG. I would go to 18/6 instead. 16/8 could put your plants into flowering over a period of time. I would never use the directions on the GH bottle. That is for them to make money from you using excessive nutrients. With my 55" bushes I use 6mL Micro and 9 mL Bloom. That is 1 part Micro to 1.5 parts Bloom. With smaller plants I use less. The amount of water that runs out of the cups should be very minimal and it would depend on what medium that you are using. If you were in Soil, you would not want to add nutes every watering at all. For soil you would go Nute, Water, Water, Nute, Water, Water, etc.

 

[medicalmj]

Wait a minute, 16/8 is a light schedule that I would not personally use in VEG. I would go to 18/6 instead. 16/8 could put your plants into flowering over a period of time.

Yeah, I misread that as 18/6, so up it to 18/6 or even 20/4.

I would never use the directions on the GH bottle. That is for them to make money from you using excessive nutrients. With my 55" bushes I use 6mL Micro and 9 mL Bloom. That is 1 part Micro to 1.5 parts Bloom. With smaller plants I use less. The amount of water that runs out of the cups should be very minimal and it would depend on what medium that you are using. If you were in Soil, you would not want to add nutes every watering at all. For soil you would go Nute, Water, Water, Nute, Water, Water, etc.

GH has a new chart not on bottles. The dtw on new chart seems a much better approach as it will give about 1.0-1.2 EC, vs the 1.6-1.8 EC most nute companies want you to use (same results from plants more $ for them). With a lower EC you can feed everytime in any medium. My soil buddies do feed, water, water, feed,..., but at an EC of around 2.4 or higher. Keep an eye out for burnt tips (too much) or defs/pale leaves/slow growth/etc.

 

[stikypete]

@medicalm I am using soil. I have some super thrive I havent been adding to it really, i see you have Cal-mag... is it needed for soil.
Thx for the info.

@snype lol ya am at 18/6 not 16/8 i just double checked the timer(faded), I only have 2 4ft flour n light from hd(for the time being...) the flowering seems to be from the lack of light and being rootbound. Very they stared to flower. Can i take cuts if they have a couple of flowers poking out, their are some lower branches that do not have flowers can i take cuts from them.( I read that taking cuts from the tops will be better for cuts as lower branches are harned off and will not grow as big?) Should i take cuts from the lowers if they don't have flowers or go for ones on the top with a cpl pistols poking out.
Im using ProMix HP, ive been letting them get mabey 15-20% run off to clean them out, i didn't have my ph on point. They seem to be better and stopped yellowing (as much). Should i lower the amout of h20 run off? Ill get the team on that feed, wata, wata fed regime.
I have some SuperThrive should i start adding it, or anything else? want to keep it pretty basic.
thx for the pointers Snype.

 

[stikypete]

Just peeped snyped cloning guide, daum those got sume buds on her, u can veg that beast?

 

[medicalmj]

@medicalm I am using soil. I have some super thrive I havent been adding to it really, i see you have Cal-mag... is it needed for soil.
Thx for the info.


thx for the pointers Snype.

No you shouldn't need cal-mag. The three part is the only one that doesn't require as long as not coco. Superthrive supposedly conatains gibberellic acid, most likely GA3. This will cause elongation and rapid growth. Some studies claim it lowers potency in cannabis if used in flower. And its pretty well accepted that gibberellins decrease potency in Cannabaceae Humulus, aka hops, and in same family as Cannabis. It's used with the low AA% and low yield hop Fuggles as the potency is not an issue compared to increase in yield.

 

[stikypete]

How come you use a 1 : 1.5 ration instead of the 1:2 ratio? @Snype

 

[plato]

16/8 won't flower your plants. I know several people who use 16/8.
I in fact ran a 16/8 for 4 months and not 1 plant acted like it was gonna bloom.
I read about an 8/4/8/4 being successfully used by a grower here.
And, the ''gas lantern'' routine works well with 12/5/2/5
Long light schedules just run up your bill, and increase heat. Plants need dark hours to do the work they spent all day storing up energy for.

 

[medicalmj]

How come you use a 1 : 1.5 ration instead of the 1:2 ratio? @Snype

I cant answer for him but the new GH feed chart has a 1:4:5 (veg)or 5:4:1(flwr) Grow:Micro:Bloom which correlates to 0:4:6 or 0:1:1.5 if shifting to all bloom no grow.

 

[Some old dude]

35 year grower

35 year grower

Use Gh 1-2-3 and use liquid karma. Use but don't over use Gh magi-cal. And sometimes you can add even a little epson salt when you use the Magi-cal for extra Mag just maybe an extra 1 tsp per 5 gals. Up to forth week of flower use these directions. Then use GH 3 part from forth to fifth week appox grow-1 micro-1 bloom-3 . Then fifth week drain rez (if hydro) then run powder Kool bloom only 1/4 tsp per gallon.last weeks just water only. Do not use anything else especially super-thrive or Floralicious plus or any other snake oil. keep ph around 5.6-5.9..(If hydro).I don't really care what other people use this is what I use . keep ppm's around 1000 at most during full on flower 850 is better (strain dependent). Young clone's ppm should not be more than around 350-500 ppm. GL.Your welcome.

Sorry, forgot to add ....add "Liquid kool bloom" to nutes week 3-4.

 

[stikypete]

Took some clones. I have them in a humidity dome, how wet should they be? been misting the top dome piece to give them fresh air. should they get prayed down with food as well as water?
@Someodude, so you use 1-2-3 right up till the 4th week? and then swith to 1-1-3 for the 4 to 5th even in soil?

 

[SilkSecrets]

I always liked doing lucas with at least flora licious plus and liquid kool bloom for flowering. Bare minimum. Feed every other water for some huge chem rock buuudzz that are sure to satisfy.

 

[stikypete]

Got some roots 3 out of the 25 ish. How long can they stay in the dome before transplanting?

 

[stikypete]

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[medicalmj]

Got some roots 3 out of the 25 ish. How long can they stay in the dome before transplanting?

You said there in red beer cups? if so long enough for the others to catch up. Open some vents on the dome. I often transplant rooted clones (in cubes) into beer cups w coco and keep in dome for an extra week or so. The early rooters may stretch a little but the humidity doesn't bother em. I actually think the perform better when left in dome for that extra week or so...