Dr Sanje Gupta BLASTS U.S. WAR ON POT ON CNN NEWS!

[DIDM]

my first thought, forgive me for being a pessimist

so Physer of some other HUGE multinational pharma fuck paid for this, it's so main stream it makes fun of the folks who put in all the work, and shows us again the brothers from CO whose TV show was a joke.

Although it had some touching points, I think we need a show that shows that not only is marijuana medicinal, it's also recreational, along with a fun hobby, growing it/breeding it.

as long as it is looked at as strictly medicine, anyone who uses it who "isn't sick" will be looked at like a pill popper per say, someone who abuses medication.

 

[oldchuck]

I think your pessimism/cynicism is fully justified.

 

[DIDM]

I think your pessimism/cynicism is fully justified.

only real reason i chose pessimist is the glass really looks 3/4's full ATM

at least where I stand, where a fuck could not be given about pot

 

[m314]

as long as it is looked at as strictly medicine, anyone who uses it who "isn't sick" will be looked at like a pill popper per say, someone who abuses medication.

It obviously has major medical benefits. As more people learn more about it, they see that recreational use is no big deal. My dad (who was always anti-weed and hasn't tried it as far as I know) now says smoking a joint is on the same level as having a beer or a cocktail. It's no big deal. He said he was always taught that smoking pot is the first step to cocaine or heroin addiction. Now he knows better. I've met several other people who never tried it or didn't like it but still think it should be legal for adults.

The majority of Americans now support full legalization for adults, even if they don't get high personally. Public opinion is changing, and it's changing for the better. It's only a matter of time before prohibition is gone for good.

 

[Gert Lush]

I think your pessimism/cynicism is fully justified.

Really?

I think this sort of pessimism is proof that some stoners are their own worst enemies, and could acheive Prohibition even if they were put on a desert island by themselves.

Gupta may not be a saint, but he has just handed over one of the biggest victories the pro-pot movement could hope for, viz. proof positive that even "experts" seldom bother to check their facts, even in their own fields of supposed expertise, if the guv'mint says otherwise, even when it's clearly, blatantly obvious that the government is fibbing.

Essentially Gupta has rubbished all those 'experts', including those of the UN, who were happily sat on the Single Convention for Narcotics, without ever bothering to check its validity, quite comfortable with bullying everyone from a position of unassailability. I mean, the UN says so, it can't be wrong, can it? This is very important, and the first chip in the armour of the UN stance.

What more do you want?
If your moral standards are so bloody high that this is not enough for you, maybe I should be calling you flippin' Jesus....

 

[oldchuck]

I don't really disagree with you, Gert. I'd love to have weed legal. However, take a look at this: http://www.chicagonow.com/wild-side-chicago/2013/08/monsanto-ready-to-enter-medical-marijuana-war/

Might give you an idea why legal, or what will pass for legal, weed would have a big downside.

You don't think the good people of earth would buy that shit? Well for over seventy years the propaganda machine has successfully demonized weed. I suspect they can turn their propaganda machines in a slightly different direction and successfully turn your hippie green into black ash.

 

[Gert Lush]

I don't really disagree with you, Gert. I'd love to have weed legal. However, take a look at this: http://www.chicagonow.com/wild-side-chicago/2013/08/monsanto-ready-to-enter-medical-marijuana-war/

I really don't see that as a problem.
So long as there are idiots who see GM as a good thing, Monsanto and every other "Monsanto" will have a clientelle that they can pursue in a good capitalist way. We can't legislate against idiocy, now, can we?

Half the people on this board would go for a GM bud, if they were told it would wreck them enough. Even the ones who are whining about Monsanto. Maybe they'll even be the first! Then they'll whine that it's not cheap enough - or something. Anything. So long as it's a whine.


My concern is that the people who give a damn about quality are not made criminals, and can grow in peace. We will always be a minority. But who cares? You do your best and let the rest get on with it...

 

[Gert Lush]

Not to mention that a large amount of the scaremongering on that "chicagonow" blog is pure twaddle.

By why let twaddle get in the way of a good victim-moan, eh?

 

[LayedBack]

Agree with Gert Lush on one thing, and that's the cynicism and inability to forgive of some marijuana users is kind of messed up in its own way. I mean the guy confessed to fucking up, and then he apologized in front of a huge audience and tried to correct his mistake as vocally as possible. You just don't see that happen very often, if ever, and I'm happy about it.

 

[oldchuck]

Yeah. It's rare For a public figure to admit they made a mistake. Gupta gets good credit for that.

 

[quitelost]

I really do see gmo cannabis as any gmo crop as a problem, we do not yet fully understand gene expression, these companies alter genetics and then use conventional breeding to fix the expression of the desired traits, if they can, many of these experiments fail and many of their products dont do what they say on the tin. Cannabis is a very gentically diverse plant as the recent decoding of its genome shows and has a very long history of use as medicine, fiber, food etc...

I dont think that its a good idea to spread around genetically altered pollen that could contaminate the genetics that have hundreds if not thousands of years of human use and breeding. I dont think it would be good if these multinationals began sueing poor growers for theft because the companies genetics have contaminated said growers cannabis as is done to cultivators of other crops. They might make the seeds fem but someone just showed me a 100% male that came out of feminised seeds the other day, Plus there are studies showing that genetically altered genes can transfer from crops to totally unrelated wild plants near to the field. In my opinion this is a serious issue that people should be talking about. That blog article seems to be full of what if's and provides no sources but that doesn't take away from the reality of the issue being raised.

As cannabis moves further into the mainstream and normalization becomes a reality many new developments or new spin's on old issues will arise. Personally I don't think anything that comes with legalization is "all good" and the time is now to talk about these potential problems. Do we want big tobacco? Small wine producers and micro breweries? How much regulation is too much? What about all those allready locked in jail and the other damage caused by this war? What about other drugs? These questions and many more are some things to think about as those who lead throw us a bone.

 

[iBogart]

I really do see gmo cannabis as any gmo crop as a problem, we do not yet fully understand gene expression, these companies alter genetics and then use conventional breeding to fix the expression of the desired traits, if they can, many of these experiments fail and many of their products dont do what they say on the tin. Cannabis is a very gentically diverse plant as the recent decoding of its genome shows and has a very long history of use as medicine, fiber, food etc...

I dont think that its a good idea to spread around genetically altered pollen that could contaminate the genetics that have hundreds if not thousands of years of human use and breeding. I dont think it would be good if these multinationals began sueing poor growers for theft because the companies genetics have contaminated said growers cannabis as is done to cultivators of other crops. They might make the seeds fem but someone just showed me a 100% male that came out of feminised seeds the other day, Plus there are studies showing that genetically altered genes can transfer from crops to totally unrelated wild plants near to the field. In my opinion this is a serious issue that people should be talking about. That blog article seems to be full of what if's and provides no sources but that doesn't take away from the reality of the issue being raised.

As cannabis moves further into the mainstream and normalization becomes a reality many new developments or new spin's on old issues will arise. Personally I don't think anything that comes with legalization is "all good" and the time is now to talk about these potential problems. Do we want big tobacco? Small wine producers and micro breweries? How much regulation is too much? What about all those allready locked in jail and the other damage caused by this war? What about other drugs? These questions and many more are some things to think about as those who lead throw us a bone.

Lots of things to consider. I saw a documentary put out by House of Seeds called Strain Hunters, ya'll might be familiar, but they go around the globe looking for old school genetics from local growers. Thing is, as they collect the seeds from plants that are considered landraces, they give the growers dutch hybrid seeds, thus eventually tainting the genetics of the region. House of Seeds then grows out the landraces it collected and sells the feminized only seeds. So basically, they're trying to lock up the genetics in a vault by selling feminized only seeds. Some shady, greedy fuckers. Now I wouldn't be so critical of these guys if they sold some pollen from these landraces, but so far, it's only feminized seed.

 

[1TWISTEDTRUCKER]

Unfortunately we are all ways going to have these kind of greedy pricks.
The only thing I want My Gov ment to do is acknowledge that We have a bsisic Human right to treat ourselves as we see fit. I mean Medically, and recreationally.

Any of the Mmj, or mj Laws are full of Regulations,with the same thing in common,,, maintaining CONTROL of our most basic Liberties.

We have Free Will as human beings and that is all I want these ASSHOLE politicians to recognize.

If they cant, or wont recognize this,,, the rest is ALL BULLSHIT.

Peace, and LOVE is ALL We NEED to HEAL, ALL Our Governments want
Us to do Is NEAL!!!

Peace, & Love;Twisted

 

[DIDM]

they may as well have had Oprah speak instead of him


it was good for what it was, mostly BS with a sympathy card thrown in, be it a HUGE sympathy card

IMHO it felt WAY too creepy interview show, the Doc looked odd, his general look, the way he looks with his eyes at things is odd, almost like Abed on that TV show, like he is not looking at something we all can see.


trust me, it is something my parents will watch and second guess themselves, but it was no where near what could have been done, really, if you think it was mind blowing, you missed the boat