My molasis comes in a 2.5 gal or so container that is around a 100 bucks{shipping},neem oil in a plastic bottle biowash in a gal jug{enough for many many years} everything else comes in a feed bag, make me own compost and ewc....rols or not i like to source things like no gmo organic products sometimes i run out and have to use things i normally would not but not a huge deal, just a blurp...
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What Bottles do you use in ROLS?
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OrganicOzarks
Organics means you have to actually learn how a plant grows scientifically to become proficient at growing them. When this is done you realize that the base ingredients needed to grow are extremely cheap to source, and purchase for cheap in bulk.
With this education your realize that the guys that go to the hydro store are paying waaaaaayyyyyy to much for shit in a bottle.
I did not know being educated on a subject made you a certain way. If this is true then I suppose being uneducated would be the same.
As far as bottles go I just ran out of pro-tekt, and I am not going to buy anymore. I now will be bottle free. Amazing what a little knowledge will do for you.
With this education your realize that the guys that go to the hydro store are paying waaaaaayyyyyy to much for shit in a bottle.
I did not know being educated on a subject made you a certain way. If this is true then I suppose being uneducated would be the same.
As far as bottles go I just ran out of pro-tekt, and I am not going to buy anymore. I now will be bottle free. Amazing what a little knowledge will do for you.
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vonforne
Revision........
Protekt, Fish Hydrolysate, Ful-power, Coconut water, Neem seed oil and will be getting the Karanja oil soon.
My KIS consentrates are about gone. They have been replaced with TM-7 and raw Kelp meal.
And of course I still use the Agsil h 16 and 200x Aloe.
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I wish someone would/could point out the apparent 'lording over or purist' attitude or attacking which supposedly took place. I also never heard/read any 'mantra'
What I recall was fact based information which allowed one to choose an alternative for much less expense. Also noted was exposure of products, inaccurately called 'organic'.
I believe this is the Organics forum, is it not? Why then would one propose the use of salts (soluble non-organics)?
What I recall was fact based information which allowed one to choose an alternative for much less expense. Also noted was exposure of products, inaccurately called 'organic'.
I believe this is the Organics forum, is it not? Why then would one propose the use of salts (soluble non-organics)?
lucidinsanity
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Quick new-to-organic question, but do you guys water in the fulvics and all that? I'm not talking about the molasses, but all the other ones?
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vonforne
Fulvic acid.....I go with slightly less than recommended. Water in. Molasses I use solely with ACT. Aloe vera....water in and folair. SST water in once a week. Alfalfa and kelp water in and folair and top dress.
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Well my definition personally is quite different from most but in my statement I was referring to commercial amendments. It is generally accepted in the organic gardening world that to be organic an amendment must be certified by one of the designated agencies. There are a few.
I guess some mistake sarcasm as "attacking" & possibly felt undervalued in the presence of ALS members & rol's gurus
who from my understanding were simply repeatedly & yes sometimes understandably sarcastic about over stating what was spelled out in the OFC thread, let alone the many threads, images, post/contributions of members who practice what was shared
shame that all the members who dedicated so much time and effort to help create such huge detailed discussions have left, no longer care to share much or get painted in such obnoxious views
who from my understanding were simply repeatedly & yes sometimes understandably sarcastic about over stating what was spelled out in the OFC thread, let alone the many threads, images, post/contributions of members who practice what was shared
shame that all the members who dedicated so much time and effort to help create such huge detailed discussions have left, no longer care to share much or get painted in such obnoxious views
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vonforne
I guess some mistake sarcasm as "attacking" & possibly felt undervalued in the presence of ALS members & rol's gurus
who from my understanding were simply repeatedly & yes sometimes understandably sarcastic about over stating what was spelled out in the OFC thread, let alone the many threads, images, post/contributions of members who practice what was shared
shame that all the members who dedicated so much time and effort to help create such huge detailed discussions have left, no longer care to share much or get painted in such obnoxious views
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Not all of us have left..........we are the original OFC crew and we remain as we always have.
i use some bottles today but not so sure whether i really need to or not ~just experimenting w/ them
ful-power and pro-techt
probably move to agsil once the pro-techt runs out & i feel like i have good fulvic properties already {it didnt seem to make much difference for me} but; i havent tried using it for cuttings/seedlings
we'll see
another thign i feel like can be a good amendment which negates some of the bottled nuts is wood ash
ful-power and pro-techt
probably move to agsil once the pro-techt runs out & i feel like i have good fulvic properties already {it didnt seem to make much difference for me} but; i havent tried using it for cuttings/seedlings
we'll see
another thign i feel like can be a good amendment which negates some of the bottled nuts is wood ash
I use leonardite gives me both and the microbes do the work.horsetail{some nicotine} is a ok source of silica,Bamboo is better 6 or 7 times, if you have it around. I like diatoms.nettle tea is good too for silica..
first off i would say that the most important thing was that we had some people here, and their followers, that were/are doing their thing and inspiring others to try organics - and that was a good thing, a GREAT thing.
But alongside that did come a hostility towards other organic methods that did not fit into their 'rules', and if someone had a view that certain of the 'big players' disagreed with then you might be on the receiving end of some pretty childish behavior - like the cracking of 'in jokes' at your expense in unrelated posts, or others putting snide comments in their signatures etc. silly little things like that but they would serve to discourage some people from being a part of the organics forum.
Also, in some cases i think some people just dont understand how their comments might come across to others, being an expert at some aspect of organic gardening doesn't necessarily mean you are either tactful or a good communicator.
Personally i found most of it either amusing or pathetic when it was directed at me, but it would exasperate me when some n00b turned up and asked an innocent question about something like cal/mag and became the butt of a load of 'in jokes' and sarcasm - and then not bother coming back.
Like i said, the main thing was that some peeps were being inspired - but as we move forward perhaps we should be more mindful of being a bit more approachable and realizing that, even though you may have heard a silly question 50 times, the person asking it is probably asking it for the first time.
sincerely,
VG
i do recall this being brought up in private discussions
members telling each other to tone it down, this was something as a whole the rols group was working on
im not to active on the main but i honestly rarely saw much hostility towards newbs or methods unless suggesting information out of conduct, like a living soil thread..
for those who have yet to realize, working with living soil and feeding the soil approach is bit different then the norm
3lbs coined recylcing Soil heresy
ALS had two main guru's along with dedicated followers
& ive personally seen these guys hash it out for years on the main, to get a simple messages across
as other admires of canna growers such as subcool, the rev, veganics etc were advising debatable information on certain views. to me it was the activity of these members and there dedication that really made this forum what it is now..
individuals have flaws but in respect, it was those two who most cared to hear from & im sure lots of stuff rubbed off.
the snowball effect started with the OFC thread & within certain private groups, i recall much broad frustration with getting the living soil message across
a subforumn, many threads & now a third group were created to help direct discussions
we had soil threads for beginners, list of great helpful books/pdfs, links to details on everything you can think of but these guys got it out there and made it amusing..
they showed there frustration in private discussions & this reflected on the main imo
newbs were directed to stickys and links for the most part but if asked in larger active "aimed" threads, the in jokes would begin as most of the time those topics were discussed several times just a few pages back or off topic
none the less this is a new page & I feel most still hear are going to shape things for the better
members telling each other to tone it down, this was something as a whole the rols group was working on
im not to active on the main but i honestly rarely saw much hostility towards newbs or methods unless suggesting information out of conduct, like a living soil thread..
for those who have yet to realize, working with living soil and feeding the soil approach is bit different then the norm
3lbs coined recylcing Soil heresy
ALS had two main guru's along with dedicated followers
& ive personally seen these guys hash it out for years on the main, to get a simple messages across
as other admires of canna growers such as subcool, the rev, veganics etc were advising debatable information on certain views. to me it was the activity of these members and there dedication that really made this forum what it is now..
individuals have flaws but in respect, it was those two who most cared to hear from & im sure lots of stuff rubbed off.
the snowball effect started with the OFC thread & within certain private groups, i recall much broad frustration with getting the living soil message across
a subforumn, many threads & now a third group were created to help direct discussions
we had soil threads for beginners, list of great helpful books/pdfs, links to details on everything you can think of but these guys got it out there and made it amusing..
they showed there frustration in private discussions & this reflected on the main imo
newbs were directed to stickys and links for the most part but if asked in larger active "aimed" threads, the in jokes would begin as most of the time those topics were discussed several times just a few pages back or off topic
none the less this is a new page & I feel most still hear are going to shape things for the better
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If I had to choose bottle nutrients for organics, I'd consider Earth Juice
