HH Spray 2.0 + LED Tubes + BrandX Seeds

[PetFlora]

As the title suggests, I will cover 3 distinct bases in this thread

Not sure which to begin with as they are all rather exciting. Well, since this is an LED forum I suppose LED tubes a good place to start

In my current grow I added 4 iBright i58 4foot tubes @ 20w late in veg which I am very pleased with BUT they are 3000K and I think the plants would be happier with some 2700K and possibly 2400, too.

Here are a couple pics of the leds and the HH system in action but under 324w HOT5.

Next post will have pics of LED tubes

 

[PetFlora]

iBright tube leds

I chose these after extensive research

The 4ft (1200mm) are 18w; one NW for veg- late flower + 3 WW (2800- 3200K), 1750-1850 lumens

http://www.atgelectronics.com/tube/E58i-LED-Tube-%28HO-Version%29.html

Finishing up first grow , looks like plants want some 2400-2700, but those tubes are not easy to find.

I am supplementing with Cree A19 household bulbs- 2700K @ 9.5w . Cree's new 2700K Flood Lights offer down firing light for above canopy

There is one company making 2400K A19. They are a bit pricy, and currently must be special ordered. In conversations with their sales manager and local distributor, they have ZERO clue about the indoor horticulture market

Here are pics from current grow

Since taking the side-by-side, I added my ufo 90 (R/B 7:1) to see what effect the deep reds will have on calyx production, which has been lacking compared to the same strains grown under my HOT5 using mostly deep red spectrums

 

[PetFlora]

Seeds: BrandX polycross G13xWW-pollinated with Bubblegum

Seeds: BrandX polycross G13xWW-pollinated with Bubblegum

I will be using BrandX polycross G13xWW-pollinated with Bubblegum seeds for my upcoming grow, so I decided to research the 3 strains.

http://www.seedsman.com/origins-of-g13


White Widow numerous seed companies sell WW and may have slightly differing characteristics http://sensiseeds.com/en/cannabis-se...el/white-widow

White Widow is known for its abundance of THC and high potency. Its bud glistens with a high volume of trichome crystals.

At first White Widow provides an euphoric and energetic type high. After a while, the high level of Indica in the strain causes a tiredness and "couchlock" that Indica is famous for.

White Widow is a smaller, more compact plant, and is suitable for growing both indoors and outdoors.or this indicating Sat dominant

There was a time when nothing could touch White Widow. There’s been quantum leap forward in marijuana genetics in the last 10 to15 years, but White Widow was once the Mia Ham of marijuana, and is still regarded as a heavy-weight contender. And she should be. White Widow has won more awards than Nelson Mandela, including the coveted Cannabis Cup in 1995. And in a field ripe with world-class buds, the Widow still stands tall. The big pine-cone buds are iridescent green pinstriped with orange hairs. At full bloom the buds are covered in a white coating of sugary sativa trichomes. It’s an experience for the White Widow rookies. White Widow thrives indoors, but does well outdoors, too. The bouquet is skunky with undertones of spice. The high is pure sativa psychedelica, a pulsing, high-energy cerebral effect.

Bubblegum copied from marijuana Compare site

The original Bubble Gum is from the US. In the 1970’s it had the name Indiana Bubble Gum. It has been taken to Amsterdam during the 1990's where a stabilized strain was developed and was named Bubble Gum.

If you grow the Bubble Gum properly it will, according to its name, fill the entire house with a bubble gum aroma. Even when you smoke the plant you will taste a little bit of bubble gum.

The plant offers nice, dense and frosty buds. The plant height can be considered short 90 cm -120 cm (3-4 feet). The yield for this strain is medium. The strain is extreme potent with THC levels reaching up to 30%. While growing the plant can get a reddish color.

Bubble Gum is widely known to be the best tasting strains and logically has won the High Times Cannabis cup for 4 times.

 

[PetFlora]

Magnet Experiment

Magnet Experiment

I have been playing around with strong iron magnets after following Trichrider's thread

Magnet Experience https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=5893395#post5893395

I only started using them on 7/22. The clone I placed them around seems to be ~ 10% fuller, with fatter buds and calyxes

I added 6 smaller magnets in a Merkaba shape (6 sided star) surrounding the base of the main stalk. This will be better than the 3 magnets surrounding clone #2. By placing them in repulse the idea is to create an energy vortex at the base that should supercharge the plant

Will employ these once G13 seedlings are moved to HH2.0

Clone #1 I added my ufo 90 (R/B 7:1) in order to see whether it would help with calyx production, which is lacking under the 2800-3200 tubes

 

[PetFlora]

The following are from my 3g bubbler buckets, under ~ 70 WW watts (10 diodes burned out on one tube) + a few A19 led bulbs. Taken for comparison purposes. Not too shabby for a budget system, but 3g is not enough during lower to absorb the acid runoff

Clone #1 also has ufo 90, hence the pink hues

The yield from HH1.0 was significantly bigger ( some of which could be from a lot more 630-650 nms+ 3xs the wattage), but more involved and more expensive to assemble. But once you have the hardware, repeat, repeat, repeat...

 

[PetFlora]

BrandX G13 polycross seeds are soaking.

FYI, they went through wash and dry, as did the WoodyHaze; fortunately 3 of them survived, and I got ~ 40 seeds for another day, or maybe this grow should the G13s not crack

 

[PetFlora]

Seeds 100% cracked, now in starter cubes. Breeder hasn't gotten back to me so I dropped 6 WH polycross in water. These are BrandX WHxWW-pol with Bgum, as I am growing now, but from seeds I harvested from the mother + same strain male

Hydro v Organic Soil http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsqPwNnxGDg&list=PLpkPidxYLju-pU86TfBHYSfIq0MQ9iNZg

In their videos they mention what I call a dry flush to get more O2 to the roots at various critical stages. Probably too late for this grow with ~ 5 days left, and next 2 tents will be HH2.0, so I can't do it, but if I was doing DWC again, I would modify their idea, and cover the airstones with just enough cool water to create powerful O2 and see how long before wilt, but no more than one day each time

Clones

Just changed nutes ~ 340/6.0

Can't see any sig difference between clones with ufo added, BUT, it was added very late, so benefits likely negligible



+ ufo

 

[Firebrand]

I went to the link for the tubes.
http://www.atgelectronics.com/tube/E58i-LED-Tube-(HO-Version).html

A few questions if you don't mind.

It says it is a direct replacement lamp but it also show a driver, did you have to replace the florescent ballast with an LED driver?

Do you or have flowered under exclusive white lights? If so what was total wattage per square foot and how would you rate your results in comparison to similar wattage HID?

 

[PetFlora]

All leds currently available have either internal or external drivers

IMHO, the external drivers are the way to go- easier to replace should they fail

I got rid of 400w HID 4 years ago. I have a completed thread on IC and several over on RIU- same UN. I like to share the love.

Yes one half of my current RIU grow is under only white led tubes + led globes, as ill be this one.

I probably waited too long to introduce ~ 60 red watts to one side, as there is very little difference between them to date

My WW tubes are 3000K, which I think is not enough red. I am in search of 20-22w 2700K tubes at a reasonable delivered price

My comparison is to HOT5, using aquarium bulbs for better spectrum balance than using 6500 for veg and 2700 for flower, although those work quite well

Based on those results the tubes I am using (assuming 2700Ks bring it) is ~ 60% LED watts compared to HID. Probably want 200w leds to get comparative yield to a 400 hps

 

[PetFlora]

1/5 G13 seeds already popped out of the starter cube:yay:

The WH seeds I put in water yesterday already cracked. I can see tap roots

Clones under my LED tubes within a few days of harvest, so just in time to put seedlings under one NW + one WW tube

 

[PetFlora]

Seeds transferred to starter cubes were placed in south facing kitchen window, but after 2 days only 2 have popped, so this morning I decided to move them to the tent where clones are almost done.

This is a temporary fix. I will move them later so they can get 20/4

Tent Temp Woes

I figured out why my night temps were barely better than day. When I added the insulation I covered the air inlet down low. Last night temps were 74, which is ~ 7* lower than day, so decent at least



Almost there.

 

[PetFlora]

Honey to increase success of cuttings/clones.

FYI I have > 90% using water + a few grains of sea salt + lots of air stones

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8GW9hCrfZo

 

[Firebrand]

Honey to assist result when taking cuttings/clones

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8GW9hCrfZo

Nice video, I gave it a like.

 

[PetFlora]

Lift Off

Lift Off

Sadly, only 2/5 G13s have popped (foreground). I am still trying to coax the others (in clear egg case). Poor result is due to seeds accidentally going through wash/dry, so I am happy to have 2. Now, if only one is a male

All 5 of the second gen WHx have popped

The seedlings temporary home consists of a Rubbermaid Rubberneck tote inside a larger tote which is being used to position the light bar.

I am using one 7w NW led + one 12w WW led. The warm white helps with root development

I am using a dual air pump/airstones, which is barely enough. I was expecting the 2 clones to be finished by now, but they are still producing trics, so not yet able to use my 4 stone 35L/M pump... I may need to buy another pump ASAP

 

[PetFlora]

Testing My Sig Link Not Opening to Actual Thread

Testing My Sig Link Not Opening to Actual Thread

I just asked for mod help, but in the mean time, I decided to see if this correctly directs visitors

Well this works, but if you click on this title in my sig, you are pointed to an old KISS System thread.

edit: I went back into my sig and erased the supposedly correct url then closed out. Then reopened and pasted it in. Now seems fine.

 

[exploziv]

Yeah, now it works!

 

[PetFlora]

Odd, for sure.

I am far from being a geek, but it seemed like my original link was like a shadow in the background. I copied the new url over the old url, which I highlighted

Maybe that left some kind of shadow that took precedence over the new link

 

[exploziv]

I think you just edited the displayed text and not the link part of the hyperlink.

 

[PetFlora]

Young Root Porn

Young Root Porn

I changed nutes today, so root pics were warranted

ppm ~ 100, pH 6.4

I will be trimming longest root tips next week, which will promote others to develop

 

[PetFlora]

Brain Fart- Cascading Nutes Cascade over River Rock Inside Rez en Lieu of Air Stones

Brain Fart- Cascading Nutes Cascade over River Rock Inside Rez en Lieu of Air Stones

Brain-Fart

I have been thinking about how to do this for a long, long time

I came up with 'how' while helping someone else with their rez issues

Plus, I have been thinking how to swap my 4 head 35 L/M pump feeding my 2 DWC pails (without compromising the plants), so I could use it to double the air stones in the seedlings tote. The more oxygenated the nutes the better. The airspace between the water line and the bottom of the net pots becomes super saturated with microscopic nutes, which are very bio-available

I have 2 small 160 gph pumps on hand, awaiting the seedlings to get bigger. These pumps will be used in each HH rez to pump nutes through 3 @ 6" HH Spray Rings.

Also, I think cascading the nutes over river rocks will provide a constant supply of CHI (energy) to the nutes

Here are the pics, I had to cut the tubing from the first pic to clear the bottom of the net pots. It would be much easier and better if I had 5 G pails instead of 3g.

Roots are amazingly small compared to size of plants

Brain-Fart 2.0: [Wooop here it is Wooop here it is,...

After about an hour the tubing popped off, while I was cleaning that up I started to think how I could improve it, I made the riser taller so the water would have farther to fall, which should create lots of cool energetic shit that roots should love. Right... Anybody? I'm pretty sure I'm right, but the net pot kept getting in the way: drilling a hole in the net pot lip would work, but I will be harvesting in a few days and prefer the lids intact for my next HH grow...and then it hit me. Probably hit you guys awhile ago, but it took me awhile to figure out all that was missing was...

a HH Ring. A couple snips of tubing and some elbows and walla - one self-contained bucket/plant HH system that is easily expanded into 3 maybe 4 plants off one pump. AND due to watering from the top, I am watering the roots well above the rez water line, which is the bottom of the net pot, which is ~ 6" deep. I think if you start the HH with a young plant it will grow like a mo'fo, not sure there will be any benefit at this late stage (tapering nutes now 240), but it certainly can't hurt

In preppin for my next grow I tested 3 Rings with the 160 gph (a measly $10) I would have to buy a 2 x 4 F & D table to accommodate 4, and those puppies are expensive, might also require a slightly bigger pump

I would love for a small personal use grower to try this and report back.

Hmm come to think of it the asyetunnamed led that I will be beta testing (I was told should be ready in a couple weeks) only covers ~ 2 x 3, and my tent is 2 X 4. Soooooo... I can use the other ft and hang my Vanity Fixtures and use my led globes. I'm imagining my 2x 2 @ 4ft fixtures flooding that space with a ton of lumens. Plants will go in at the same time, could even be run off one rez

Might just do a thread.









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