TerpeneDream
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Holy shit! That is the most nuggage per sq ft (literally!) that I've ever seen! Nice. What strain? I'd be curious to see some cured shots...
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The IC Organic Growers Community Thread.
- Thread starter VerdantGreen
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Holy shit! That is the most nuggage per sq ft (literally!) that I've ever seen! Nice. What strain? I'd be curious to see some cured shots...
I've taken the leap and started to reuse my soil.
I left my dirt in the beds and added back 1/2 of what I used for amendments in the first round, mixed them in lightly, and put fresh plants in.
I can't believe I hadn't done this sooner. Growing pot has never ever been so easy for me.
Straight water through blumats with a once a week molasses drench.
22 days in 12/12 -
I left my dirt in the beds and added back 1/2 of what I used for amendments in the first round, mixed them in lightly, and put fresh plants in.
I can't believe I hadn't done this sooner. Growing pot has never ever been so easy for me.
Straight water through blumats with a once a week molasses drench.
22 days in 12/12 -
Natural_Mystic
New member
Between blood meal and bone meal versus fish meal and fish bone meal , is there a difference besides the source of the products ?
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Carlos Danger
Hmmm, good question. I don't know if fish meal is water soluble, blood meal is. The combination of either should be sufficient but know that blood meal supplies a higher dose of N, and the fish more P and K than the blood/bone. Both bone sources should also supply calcium.
"hot" organic amendments can be kind of like chem nuts which are harsh on the micro-life
there is a thinking that one could get away w/o supplementing N if the right biology were encouraged to flourish {the old "tons of N in the air above it" adage}
besides that; i kind of like the idea that fish based products bring a lot to the table which; once you are using them ~negates the need for blood or bone meal {kind of the old "put a fish in the mound for the 3 sisters" adage}
there is a thinking that one could get away w/o supplementing N if the right biology were encouraged to flourish {the old "tons of N in the air above it" adage}
besides that; i kind of like the idea that fish based products bring a lot to the table which; once you are using them ~negates the need for blood or bone meal {kind of the old "put a fish in the mound for the 3 sisters" adage}
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Carlos Danger
Boss-man, I've seen that idea floated a couple times, re N, but I just can't see how it'd work. Most nitrogen fixation doesn't feed the soil but the host plants directly. You'd have to either green manure, which is feasible outdoors, or find(engineer) a nitrogen fixer capable of forming a relationship with cannabis the way legumes do. If you can make hemp fix its own nitrogen you've got an incredibly powerful plant, in terms of inputs saved and potential for green commercial uses. I don't mean to sound like a stoner, but I think if you get hemp to fix its own N you've changed the world.
Natural_Mystic
New member
I guess my main concern between both choices is which is more efficient to use and healthier for the consumer in the long run ; while maintaining the organic approach without the worry of some nasty disease being transmitted through the products. I assume the whole mad cow scare is just a fear tactic but with a lot of medicinal growers these days, they don't want to take the risk.
Obviously there is many choices in the organic world and diversity is key to a very rich mix that can be reused time and time again. Blood meal and bone meal give great results , I am just wondering if fish meal / fish bone do the same. I am personally not a vegan but at the same time I don't think we should waste products. That being said I could use either or but more concerned with the transmission of a pathogen or mad cow through the slaughter house industry. I guess fish products could be heavy in metals and such which could be an argument.
I am not sure if any of this matters since it is broken down by microbes and I'm not a microbiologist, but can something be transmitted to a human from plants that we use to medicate with and or eat as in vegetables ?
Obviously there is many choices in the organic world and diversity is key to a very rich mix that can be reused time and time again. Blood meal and bone meal give great results , I am just wondering if fish meal / fish bone do the same. I am personally not a vegan but at the same time I don't think we should waste products. That being said I could use either or but more concerned with the transmission of a pathogen or mad cow through the slaughter house industry. I guess fish products could be heavy in metals and such which could be an argument.
I am not sure if any of this matters since it is broken down by microbes and I'm not a microbiologist, but can something be transmitted to a human from plants that we use to medicate with and or eat as in vegetables ?
amendments different sources of npk give different results. so i like abit of each.example a little rock phos a little bat guano a little bone meal. some times soybean meal and neem seed cake.etc. I did individual grows of just bat or just rock phos and just bonemeal. and they all made different end products with qualities of there own....
i use some 'hot' guano as a part of my recycled mix - always gets added on the re-amend.
i dont use a microscope, neither do i use compost tea - but my soil seems to work just fine so i doubt its hurting the micro life.
personally i have my doubts about using legumes such as clover, from my reading it only accumulates N from the atmosphere when N levels in the soil are very low. also from my experience of putting different plants in the same space, they more often than not compete rather than help each other along. that said some seem to get good results using living mulches etc. not enough light gets through my canopy anyway to support anything underneath
i dont use a microscope, neither do i use compost tea - but my soil seems to work just fine so i doubt its hurting the micro life.
personally i have my doubts about using legumes such as clover, from my reading it only accumulates N from the atmosphere when N levels in the soil are very low. also from my experience of putting different plants in the same space, they more often than not compete rather than help each other along. that said some seem to get good results using living mulches etc. not enough light gets through my canopy anyway to support anything underneath
my post is something of a "food for thought" post as myself i use fish bone meal; neem seed meal and even; alfalfa as significant N sources
i don't find anything wrong w/ bat guano other than the potential for it to be un-sustainably sourced and histories of ugliness ~some will recall my own bat guano compost {quite pleased w/ the results}
i found that clover can over-supply N in flower & totally agree that it tends to fail under the canopy ~i like the idea of rotating clovers {or even alfalfa according to scale} for nourishment in off-cycles/to keep soil biology thriving in a ley-rotation type config
there has to be a lot of "to each their own" w/ this subject and variance according to scale & i tend to lean to rotations and plant-based sourcing ~esp living plant based {which is kind of my "own" in this regard}
i don't find anything wrong w/ bat guano other than the potential for it to be un-sustainably sourced and histories of ugliness ~some will recall my own bat guano compost {quite pleased w/ the results}
i found that clover can over-supply N in flower & totally agree that it tends to fail under the canopy ~i like the idea of rotating clovers {or even alfalfa according to scale} for nourishment in off-cycles/to keep soil biology thriving in a ley-rotation type config
there has to be a lot of "to each their own" w/ this subject and variance according to scale & i tend to lean to rotations and plant-based sourcing ~esp living plant based {which is kind of my "own" in this regard}
There are nitrogen fixing bacteria inoculants available commercially, but I'm leery of N being produced when I don't want it. These strains aren't picky about the plants growing in the medium like those that form symbiotic relationships [root nodules] with legumes. -granger
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Carlos Danger
Hey VG - the pollen took - big seeds already forming on that cheri f2
good stuff carlos! what was the male you chose in the end?
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VG
Hey folks, haven't been around in a while had some free time on this rainy day so I thought I would Join the conversation.
My thoughts on Bone/Blood meal Verse fish meal is this. Unless you are getting blood/bone from grass raise cows prepare for GMO's, pesticides, herbicides, Growth hormones and what ever concoction was given to the animals while the were in a CAFO.
My preference is a nice top dressing/ mulch of Compfrey and homemade nutrient dense worm castings. I have been doing this to all of my plants for some time now and My soil just keeps getting better with age.
While I am not vegan by any means (nothing like a grass fed steak.) I like using plant material for nutrients, they are free, have no impact on the environment (CAFO blood meal, or the over fishing of our oceans) and they always improve soil structure.
There are countless nutrient rich "weeds" all around (compfrey is my favorite) ready for the picking and ready to be broken down into worm food or used for mulch (also worm food).
Natural mystic- I don't believe any pathogen can transmit to you from the plant unless you foliar with a raw product and then consume soon after. Microbes break down everything in time..
As far as heavy metals in fish, I guess that is debatable. Most likely the fish you use is from a lower class of fish. They say mercury accumulates in large top of the food chain fish. From my understanding products like Organic Neptune's uses the Hydrolyzed talipa and other bottom fish so probably lower in mercury and not much of a concern.
Just my thought
Timbuktu
My thoughts on Bone/Blood meal Verse fish meal is this. Unless you are getting blood/bone from grass raise cows prepare for GMO's, pesticides, herbicides, Growth hormones and what ever concoction was given to the animals while the were in a CAFO.
My preference is a nice top dressing/ mulch of Compfrey and homemade nutrient dense worm castings. I have been doing this to all of my plants for some time now and My soil just keeps getting better with age.
While I am not vegan by any means (nothing like a grass fed steak.) I like using plant material for nutrients, they are free, have no impact on the environment (CAFO blood meal, or the over fishing of our oceans) and they always improve soil structure.
There are countless nutrient rich "weeds" all around (compfrey is my favorite) ready for the picking and ready to be broken down into worm food or used for mulch (also worm food).
Natural mystic- I don't believe any pathogen can transmit to you from the plant unless you foliar with a raw product and then consume soon after. Microbes break down everything in time..
As far as heavy metals in fish, I guess that is debatable. Most likely the fish you use is from a lower class of fish. They say mercury accumulates in large top of the food chain fish. From my understanding products like Organic Neptune's uses the Hydrolyzed talipa and other bottom fish so probably lower in mercury and not much of a concern.
Just my thought
Timbuktu
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Carlos Danger
VG - the strongest of the males in a pack of Casey Jones x Sour Bubble outcrossing. I suspect it's (CjxSB) x either CJ or SB f2s. I was too quick to be pure SB. Lou chose for drought resistance too so I'm pleased.
Ghostmade- I gave you two links in the recycled soil PT2 thread.
Oh and there is http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/ you can get the chemical make up of just about any plant.
Hope it helps.
Timbuktu
Oh and there is http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/ you can get the chemical make up of just about any plant.
Hope it helps.
Timbuktu
StayBlazinDawg
Member
So this is where the organic nerds babble sweet! I'm trying to build nitrogen in my soil by using plant based nutrients like comfrey etc. Anyone one every heard of comfrey meal or something I should probably Google it .
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vonforne
you can do a google search with your state that you live in.
