Bare bulbs

[DHF]

Thanks Big John.

Got another bare bulb question.
In a room that is 46sq ft (5'.10"long x9'widex 6'6" high) 303cubic ft, is it possible to exhaust/cool the bulbs with just inline fans? Or do you need an ac?
I want to have; X=plants o=600watt
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58watts pr sq/ft


Thanks

With everything covered in reflectix/orca/prodex of your choice including the ceiling , your biggest obstacle is only having a 2' space in between 2 lights and a plant on the end of said grow space that can only be offset by moving the lights out of the corners and closer to the middle of the room that throws off the most important factor in a 4 plant 5 light setup .......

Each plant gettin hit by 3 lights at all times tri-angularly FTW......IOW.....End plants will suffer and width plants will haveta compensate for said end plants.....but.....

With 58 watts per sq ft and everything not green covered in reflective material it`s possible to still pull a decent Harvey with dialed genetics and environment.....and yes.....A/C is a must for insurance even if running major air exchange twice per minute...

Inline fans are only as effective as the ambient temps will allow em to be..I grew in basements with lung rooms to pump conditioned air into and be sucked out of each flip room to be re-conditioned and pumped back in continuously.....

If that`s not possible , then you need to look into sealing said room with a/c , co2 , and all the controllers and equipment it takes to give the plants what they need as they need it.....and then.....

The 6'6" height will be a factor as well , so to say the least 5'10" x 9' with a low ceiling is not optimal for 4 bigger plants , but the only wayta find out is to do it and dial each aspect as it arises and presents itself.....anyways....

Good luck and holler if we can help.....

Peace.....DHF..........

 

[Mr Blah]

Thank you DHF.
Love your words of wisdom.

I was reading vert 101 last night and trying to grasp what you did for air exchange/lung room.
I don't understand a lung room. Wish someone could draw it out.

Trying to understand yours/use to have DHF. You had a 32' wall that was 12' deep but built 8x8 rooms. Kind of understand probably you had hallway the full length (32'x4') which led into the other veg/mother/cloning section 12'x16'. Is that where you had the ac?

I think I understand Lung room a separate room that has conditioned air than from that room brought into grow/flower rooms?

 

[Mr Blah]

I was originally going to section off a 10x10x10 section in my garage, lower the ceiling down to about 7'. But I all ready have 2 rooms in another section of the garage each 5'.10" x 4'5" x 6'6". Trying to think if break down the wall for a 9' x 5'10" room. hang the all ready 4-600's (overhead now) and add another in the center.

I guess I could break the wall and ceiling and make it larger.

AAAAh more thinking/ research/ decisions.

 

[DHF]

Thoughts to ponder my buddy.......Don`t make a move with a 4 plant 5 light setup unless it`s square and yas have the right 50/50 sat/ind hybrid to exploit that bitch and make it produce....

HL45`s love machine thread minus all the bullshit posts by me and others will help guide yas.....

Baby steps till all knowledge absorbed , then make your move from solid based research and best possible results from doin so.....

Lung rooms need to equal the sq ftg of each grow area , but what I always did was overkill to make sure where I live that environment could be controlled even in deep summer where ambient temps and relative humidity go through the roof......

My flip rooms had portable a/c`s and dehuey`s "thru-wall" and sealed so all exhaust heat was outside in the oversize lungrooms to b e compensated for if and when they hadta come on to help keep environment dialed for insurance during deep summer .....

The lungrooms also had wallbanger a/c`s and dehuey`s to keep environment perfect while bein pumped into and sucked out of each fliproom....anyways....

Keep readin and learnin Bro.....We`ll figure this shit out.....

Peace....DHF...........

 

[Mr Blah]

Thanks DHF

So if I had, for example a 300cft flower room I would need at least a 300cft lung room? And if I had to flower rooms on flip flop I would need a 600cft area as lung room?
Now the ac's in each flower room couldn't be exhausting in that lung room,...right? (defeats the purpose?)

But in that 600cft lung room I would need to cool and dehumidify so all air would be passing from lung to each flower room?
Now that lung room will eventually have stagnate air wouldn't it? and wouldn't have fresh CO2.

Yes....read/research and ask. I know.

 

[DHF]

Thanks DHF

So if I had, for example a 300cft flower room I would need at least a 300cft lung room? And if I had to flower rooms on flip flop I would need a 600cft area as lung room?
Now the ac's in each flower room couldn't be exhausting in that lung room,...right? (defeats the purpose?)

But in that 600cft lung room I would need to cool and dehumidify so all air would be passing from lung to each flower room?
Now that lung room will eventually have stagnate air wouldn't it? and wouldn't have fresh CO2.

Yes....read/research and ask. I know.

You`ve gotta provide fresh air from outside , and you can either exhaust flip room air back into the lungroom cuz it`ll be recycled with fresh air from outside as well as being re-conditioned by environmental equipment in said lungroom , or get rid of it elsewhere with new air constantly bein pumped in and sucked out to NOT be re-conditioned.....the choice is yours to dial your own environment the best and easiest way possible for your world.....

A/C`s in flower rooms are for insurance IF air exchange twice per min won`t control ambient temps inside each bloom room , mostly in deep summer is the only time mine ever kicked on.....and yeah....You`re getting there bout lung and growroom requirements Bro.....

Just takes a lil time ta wrap your head around the concept and dialage of said lungroom application.......anyways.....

Keep askin questions and figuring out if that`s a solid route for you to explore......if not you`ll HAVETA seal said rooms and provide CO2 supplements for the plants to survive , and provide all the other bells and whistles it takes to provide ambient temp AND RH control lights on and ESPECIALLY lights off when humidity spikes and temp control within a 10 degree variable FTW........regardless.....

Good luck....DHF..........

 

[bobblehead]

If you look at my flip pod thread below in my sig, I believe I laid out my whole basement including the lung room and 2 flip rooms... I was exhausting from the basement to the attic at that location.

I would suggest you foliar before lights on... Going in 10-15mins early won't hurt anything. If you do it at lights off your night time rh% will be even higher and cause your dehuey to work harder.

 

[Mr Blah]

Thanks DHF.

I'll check out and read BHead's thread. I'm sure I glimpsed at it but I will take another look and read closely.

 

[Mr Blah]

Ok been doing a lot of Google searching. Fucken a there is a lot of threads!

I think I've got a grasp of it.
I will redesign. I will reconstruct 2 areas that I am using right now into 10'x10' rooms. Which will leave space enough for a lung room.
Will start a thread of my own with pictures when kids go back to school and have some more me time.

I do have an upstairs to my garage and wondering if anyone had any ideas of venting up there through the flower rooms ceilings?
The only thing I don't get about that idea is creating some sort of negative pressure.

 

[DHF]

Negative pressure is as simple as speed controllers on active intake fans to slow down the air exchange and make sure the exhaust/scrubber combo doesn`t get over run with too much air or smell........

Gotta make sure yas keep more air sucked out than pumped in....

Simple .....babyshit.....

Peace....DHF..........

 

[Mr Blah]

Changing the air inside each flower room 2x a min. I will need;
Each room 10x10x9=900cft so I will need at least 2x8" for each room.
Intake 2 holes 12" pr room...I think. Or like DHF says use an intake fan with a speed controller. But that must change the hole size?

For the intake fan I was going to use a manifold (DIY) pvc pipe and make holes in it and mount it on the bottom corner of the flower room opposite the exhaust. Good idea?

 

[Mr Blah]

Reading Bobbleheads thread.

DHF Is what you said true on hydro as well?
Here`s the thing with Coco in a nutshell...If yas can dial how much juice your bitches need during lights on to allow the nutrient uptake through the roots , and the transpiration through the leaves for that dialed kinda shit while lettin rootzone dry out before lights out ? = money..........[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]






Shit can't copy and paste from another thread
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[Mister_D]

Find a fan that can move a minimum of 600cfm (800-1000cfm is more realistic to account for duct loss, etc.). This will give you twice per min air exchange, which as long as your outside temps aren't too high will cool any room.

 

[DHF]

Find a fan that can move a minimum of 600cfm (800-1000cfm is more realistic to account for duct loss, etc.). This will give you twice per min air exchange, which as long as your outside temps aren't too high will cool any room.

Dbro to the rescue....Thanks for the help my buddy.....now.....

Everything in Bobble`s thread was designed to get him everything he needed to dial his shit , and he even expounded upon the active intake with bigass pvc pipe all the way round the bottom of the rooms for well distributed fresh air constantly FTW......and ....

It`s not so much about letting rootzone`s dry out between feeds per se and by lights out , as it is about keepin coco constantly "moist" instead of wet.....so...

I admit for insurance purposes with my DTW coco setups , I used over sized #5 smartpots only fed once a day with more medium than I needed for the size plants I was finishin with , but.....

I only went to each location once a week and couldn`t risk feeding more times per lights on with smaller containers with too much shit that could happen than I was prepared to deal with , so ........

I settled on once a day feeds till end of stretch for drying out periods to grow as big a rootmass as possible , and then twice a day till end of cycle once full swellage was determined strain dependent...

I could've grown bigger plants with more feeds and smaller containers , but with my setup I only needed 1.5+/- oz plants to put me where I needed rotations at , so there`s plenty room for improvement....

Go dig up HGO`s donut thread bout feedin multiple times per day in smaller containers with coco FTW Bro....Think he pulled like an 8 oz Chem D off a 6 ltr/1.5 gal plastic pot......and yeah....lastly....

When environment and watts per sq ft are dialed with feeds as needed , the plants suck juice and sweat it out for that "circadian rythym" where yas can almost see em twitchin and jumpin once all ducks are in a row......

Especially during stretch and initial budset.....anyways....Get ta work and keep us updated.....

We`ll getchas there Bro....

Peace....DHF........

 

[Mr Blah]

Find a fan that can move a minimum of 600cfm (800-1000cfm is more realistic to account for duct loss, etc.). This will give you twice per min air exchange, which as long as your outside temps aren't too high will cool any room.

Mr D

Wouldn't I need 2 of those 800-1000cfm per room to exchange twice a min? Each room is going to be 900cft.

Thanks DHF

 

[DHF]

Mr D

Wouldn't I need 2 of those 800-1000cfm per room to exchange twice a min? Each room is going to be 900cft.

Thanks DHF

I ran 6"/450 cfm`s vortex intake and exhaust scrubber combo`s in 8x8 rooms with only actual 6 x 6 plant exposure with the intake dialed down so as to not overtake the exhaust/scrubber combo , so .....

.A lil over the 250 cu ' area with 7' ish ceilings after plants were off the concrete , that was well taken care of by air exchange twice per minute with a/c as auxiliary equipment on thermostats if needed during deep summer , but....the rooms were a lil less than required by Heath`s solid info yrs ago yet still produced accordingly.......

10 x 10 rooms need the wall banger "thru-wall" for solid environmental control IME.....Air exchange twice per minute works better for smaller rooms , but even then.....the smaller rooms...

STILL require auxiliary a/c and dehuey`s for optimum environmental control if and when needed .......

Peace....DHF..........

 

[Mr Blah]

Got a 12000btu all ready mounted in the area of the Flower room 1. Just got to make the wall. The room is all ready 9'10" tall with suspended ceiling. Should I make another ceiling below that one? Or just cover it with reflex and chix wire?

Room 2 will need a complete make over (same height on the ceiling as room1) There is two existing rooms 7'10" deepx 5'6" wide x 6.6 high. Originally I was just going to take the wall down between the two rooms and proceed. Now I will lift the ceiling to whatever the height is for room 1 and pull the wall out from 7.10- 10'.

Guess I am confused about the inline exhausting fans.
If room 1 is 900cft than to exchange 2x a min I would need double that....? But I can understand that it might not need that considering the intake fan and the environment inside room1.

School is starting for the kids in a few weeks I need these rooms flipping fast after that or my pt's are going to be without. I am starting to veg some...what I think will be a good candidate for tree room...Blue Hell.
Don't get me wrong I take care of my pt's very well but all pt's will be eating out of the same room for about a month.

 

[DHF]

Got a 12000btu all ready mounted in the area of the Flower room 1. Just got to make the wall. The room is all ready 9'10" tall with suspended ceiling. Should I make another ceiling below that one? Or just cover it with reflex and chix wire?

Room 2 will need a complete make over (same height on the ceiling as room1) There is two existing rooms 7'10" deepx 5'6" wide x 6.6 high. Originally I was just going to take the wall down between the two rooms and proceed. Now I will lift the ceiling to whatever the height is for room 1 and pull the wall out from 7.10- 10'.

Guess I am confused about the inline exhausting fans.
If room 1 is 900cft than to exchange 2x a min I would need double that....? But I can understand that it might not need that considering the intake fan and the environment inside room1.

School is starting for the kids in a few weeks I need these rooms flipping fast after that or my pt's are going to be without. I am starting to veg some...what I think will be a good candidate for tree room...Blue Hell.
Don't get me wrong I take care of my pt's very well but all pt's will be eating out of the same room for about a month.

Yeah Bro , you`re not confused about cfm`s , it`s just that most grow areas are 7'6-8' tall in residential settings , and when I ran 10 x 10 rooms the wall banger a/c`s were part of the environmental control 24/7 cuz they hadta be......

The bigger the room , the harder to control environment without insurance equipment on thermostats and air exchange twice per min.....

My biggest amperage draw from my setups livin in deep Hell were the fuckin dehuey`s with 80-90% yr round that exhausted heat like a mofo and added to a/c in the lung areas workin harder , but dialage comes at a price for total control wherever you live , so put it in the budget as budget permits.....

All about total control growin inside....bitches only swell as much as yas allow em ta do so....bet on it....

Peace....DHF..........

 

[D.C. Denali]

Do you wear gloves when you do this?
Or just dunk a rag in some alcohol and lightly wipe clean?

thought about using some sort of pulley system (I saw on another thread) and pull them up if I need to do work.


Good ideas guys.

I got exactly a penny and a half on this subject.

1.0 - Grow from seed, clone and mother or perpertually clone a couple weeks into flower to keep #'s down and then don't introduce any other specimines into the room that you didn't first grow from seed.

.5 - Upon completion of penny 1.0, simply be careful not to do stoner shit, like smell the powdery mildew (disclaimer, I've no idea whether pm grows on roses, but I think the majority of you smell the flavor) and them walk right into your room because that hella bomb full melt made you forget about shit like cross contamination.

Grow from seed, don't be a dumb ass = No Spraying, EvaR~ Unless you're one of those ninny's who foliar feed (jk, in blatant and quite blunt form this fine mother fucking evening.)

But yeah - xtra bonus, when you find that one, or two or thee truly special plants, you're the man. People jock hard nuts for unobtanium-nuggum, yo.


D.C. -

 

[Mr Blah]

...My biggest amperage draw from my setups livin in deep Hell were the fuckin dehuey`s with 80-90% yr round that exhausted heat like a mofo and added to a/c in the lung areas workin harder , but dialage comes at a price for total control wherever you live , so put it in the budget as budget permits.....

All about total control growin inside....bitches only swell as much as yas allow em ta do so....bet on it....

Peace....DHF..........

I got 3 smaller Dehuey's 60 or 70 lt. They are all hard piped in to drain pipe along with the control buckets for each room.