resistent mites vs triple threat (floramite, avid, forbid)

[Kcar]

I brush my teeth with avid, and then rinse my mouth out with floromite.

That's safe right?

No! Don't do it!
Brush with gasoline and rinse with bleach. Much safer!

 

[Kcar]

Listen, the OP has a bad Mite problem and is asking what he should do.
Does anyone have any help for him? If not, the mods should close this thread.

 

[MagniKhan]

I would use Azasol rather than Azamax or Azatrol. Azasol is oil free, causes no phytotoxicity, is more systemic, no smell after drying [to humans], no mess, similar price, dissolves instantly. In sum, more effective.

Best way is to mix in a bucket, cover top of root ball with a rag or cardboard and immerse everything above ground. That way you get 100% coverage, and dunking them washes off many mites and eggs. Also, spray walls, doors, floor, entire container including the bottom. Non messy since it's oil free.

The big key that has given me a once and for all kill [till I carry more in], is to do a second dunk 36 hours later, followed by another in 48. This kills any hatchlings before they have a chance to lay more eggs. Plus you're done in 4 days. I usually follow this procedure using Spinosad w/wetting agent the first 2 treatments, with Azasol for the 3rd.

What has worked well for me has been to spray the plants with Azasol during the first week of 12/12 as a preventive. No mites thru harvest. Haven't had mites in the 2 years since I started this one preventive treatment.

I've also gotten rid of mites using only Spinosad w/wetting agent for 4 treatments. Spray, again in 36, 36, 48.

Regardless of what you use, read label and pH water to label instructions before adding pesticide. Good luck. -granger

Listen, the OP has a bad Mite problem and is asking what he should do.
Does anyone have any help for him? If not, the mods should close this thread.

Granger did, he gave him great advice, unlike some of the others. I think that disputing dangerous recommendations is right on subject for this thread.

Why should the MODS close this thread? Cause you don't like being call out? Or is it, it doesn't fit your "opinion" and you don't agree so no one should discuss it?

Maybe, just maybe, post your thoughts and move along instead of taking it so personally.

 

[Cmobile9]

I know that this has probably been said but if your indoors keep your room below normal temps! It's hard for them to breed in cold actually they go dormant.
Then spray for eradication but if you keep your room nice and comfortable for them to breed then you just can't (or it makes thing a little harder) to rid of them.

Your plants can take cold you might have too watch them grow slower but that's minor to the bugs. Hope it helps.

 

[milkyjoe]

Check your sap pH...just how high is it? I would bet over 6.4...quit feeding so many nitrates. Problem solved naturally.

 

[Kcar]

Hi there,

I've had some really persistent mites over here and it's been bothersome. I've only ever used Floramite and they keep coming back. Yesterday I sprayed a whole lot of Floramite and today I came back to find that the mites are still there.

I also have Forbid and Avid.

So my questions are;

-- which one should I use now Avid or Forbid?

-- how does one use all 3 together? can I rotate between them? or do I have to wait to use one fully (26-28 days) then switch to the other? Can I use Floramite one day then 2 days later Avid 2 days later Forbid and just rotate?

-- Could it be something to do with the PH? the manual says when mixing the solution should be 5.5 to 6.5 -- I don't test it, should I be?

To answer your questions

1) Avid 2ml per gal.
2) No. Cocktails can be bad.
3) Yes. Too high or low PH can effect potency.

 

[Kcar]

Granger did, he gave him great advice, unlike some of the others.

In your opinion.

I think that disputing dangerous recommendations is right on subject for this thread.

Huh? Who disputed dangerous recommendations?

Why should the MODS close this thread?

Because some people have turned it into a CHEM vs ORGANIC fight.



Maybe, just maybe, it's you taking it so personally.

 

[MagniKhan]

In your opinion.

This is not only my opinion, it's the manufactures and the FDA's also.

Huh? Who disputed dangerous recommendations?

You did, when you advocated the use of AVID.

Because some people have turned it into a CHEM vs ORGANIC fight.

I did see that come up once, and I read all three pages before the MOD deleted two pages of insults and fighting.
I can only guess that you have read into something and made assumptions. I can confirm that you are "fighting", though.

Maybe, just maybe, it's you taking it so personally.

I've had the "nuuhhhh, so are you conversation", and I don't care to engage in it.

To be quite honest I have used Avid, once out of ignorance based on the recommendation of an "expert". Truly on the very first plant I grew.
I even mentioned using it in a thread a month or so ago as a last resort before moving my plants into a new room for white flies. I think I referred to it as the "thermonuclear" option. How ironic, the analogy was right on.
I took this opportunity to educate myself a little more about it and have come to a different conclusion. I will not be using AVID, ever, and will be more diligent in the future. I never use it after the first time and have used more organic means since. Does that mean I'm an "organic" grower? NO.
I'm just careful about what I put in my body and more careful about what I put in others.


MK

PS
I've never seen Snype or his post before a couple of days ago. I saw his thread needing help with a custom flip, and did so.
My point of bring him up (other then that is the thread you gave me negative rep on, god knows why) is his Sig.
Specifically, "[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] ....WHO DOES IS EITHER MISINFORMED, LAZY OR JUST DOESN'T CARE....... ", I took that as a call for introspection, and he's right. Somethings just take time and diligent work to do right.

[/FONT]

 

[Kcar]

I never advocated the use of Avid. And that Granger's advice was 'Great' was your opinion.
And, I'm done with you. Notice the OP has not returned? Wonder why.

 

[MagniKhan]

I never advocated the use of Avid. And that Granger's advice was 'Great' was your opinion.
And, I'm done with you. Notice the OP has not returned? Wonder why.

Yes you did, in this thread currently. You're beginning to contradicting yourself at this point it's hard to take anything you say as true.

And as for him not returning, maybe because you chose to turn his thread into some kind of personal fight in the two pages that the MOD deleted.
I guess it was more important to go on the attack then it was to help the OP out. You didn't type one word addressing his questions until just a few post ago and not till after you posted this [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Listen, the OP has a bad Mite problem and is asking what he should do.
Does anyone have any help for him? If not, the mods should close this thread.", [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]......so are you just helping ....or just trolling?
As far as the discussion, you also haven't brought anything to the table that warrants someone disregarding the manufactures directions and FDA guidelines on the use of AVID on consumables. Nothing, just opinion and when someone countered that opinion you retorted with put downs and name calling.


MK
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[Budley Doright]

I would use Azasol rather than Azamax or Azatrol. Azasol is oil free, causes no phytotoxicity, is more systemic, no smell after drying [to humans], no mess, similar price, dissolves instantly. In sum, more effective.

Best way is to mix in a bucket, cover top of root ball with a rag or cardboard and immerse everything above ground. That way you get 100% coverage, and dunking them washes off many mites and eggs. Also, spray walls, doors, floor, entire container including the bottom. Non messy since it's oil free.

The big key that has given me a once and for all kill [till I carry more in], is to do a second dunk 36 hours later, followed by another in 48. This kills any hatchlings before they have a chance to lay more eggs. Plus you're done in 4 days. I usually follow this procedure using Spinosad w/wetting agent the first 2 treatments, with Azasol for the 3rd.

What has worked well for me has been to spray the plants with Azasol during the first week of 12/12 as a preventive. No mites thru harvest. Haven't had mites in the 2 years since I started this one preventive treatment.

I've also gotten rid of mites using only Spinosad w/wetting agent for 4 treatments. Spray, again in 36, 36, 48.

Regardless of what you use, read label and pH water to label instructions before adding pesticide. Good luck. -granger

Im ready to go down the organic path...


But just one last thing before I do...


Do you have any safety studies of smoking azasol or neem oil for that matter....


Some links would be perfect thanks in advance.....


How about the same thing for spinosad????


Didn't I read somewhere that just because you can eat something safely does not mean you can smoke it....

 

[Budley Doright]

About azasol.....


Reproductive Effects
Male antifertility activity of neem leaf extract was studied in mice, rats, rabbits and guinea pigs by daily oral feeding of a cold-water extract of fresh green neem leaves. The infertility effect was seen in treated male rats as there was a 66.7% reduction in fertility after 6 weeks, 80% after 9 weeks, and 100% after 11 weeks. There was no inhibition of spermatogenesis. During this period there was no decrease in body weight and no other manifestation of toxicity observed. There was a marked decrease in the mortality of spermatozoa. The infertility in rats was not associated with loss of libido or with impotence and the animals maintained normal mating behavior. The male antifertility activity was reversible in 4 to 6 weeks. Neem extract also shows reversible male antifertility activity in mice without inhibition of spermatogenesis. In guinea pigs and rabbits, however, it exhibited toxicity as demonstrated by 66.6% and 74.9% mortality in guinea pigs and 80 and 90% mortality in rabbits at the end of 4 and 6 weeks, respectively (9).


Pretty nasty stuff.....and not a mention of the effects of smoking this stuff......


Maybe that 'great' advice is not so great after all.....


Huh???

 

[Budley Doright]

Does anyhone find it odd that some guy is recommending azasol when it kills guinea pigs and rabbits in a matter of a few weeks???


I can bet that neither forbid or floramite can do that trick....


I reread his post..... at least we can feel good about the lack of phytotoxicity

That's making me feel much better.....

 

[Budley Doright]

Hello??????

 

[Budley Doright]

I agree!
I thought, just on the outside chance that one of them was a Biochemist, that they could explain it to us....it been a LOOOOOONG time since my last class....maybe there was something I missed.

MK

I was hoping that someone who had taken a class or two could explain how something that is relatively safe being eaten is also safe to smoke......


Maybe its something I missed.....

 

[Kcar]

I never told anyone they should use Avid. Nor would I.
I believe everyone should make that decision on their own.
I answered the OP's questions. There were only two options for answering.
Avid or Forbid. I simply picked one that I know works.

I only replied to SNYPE's post because he was so absolute about these 3 chems never
being used on food crops. But that is not true. If you go on www.pesticideinfo.org and look up Avermectin (Avid) you will see all the food crops that it is sprayed on.
Same with Forbid and Floramite.

You really want to fight, don't you? I really am done with this now. Just felt like I had to defend myself, as you seem to like to put words in other mouths. Cheers!

 

[OrganicOzarks]

OGBIOWAR Foliar, Organic, and kills everything!

How does neem working as a birth control while it is being ingested at high doses make it nasty stuff?

Marijuana makes you higher than a kite. It must be really nasty.

You chemical guys are some funny mofo's.

 

[Kcar]

OGBIOWAR Foliar, Organic, and kills everything!

How does neem working as a birth control while it is being ingested at high doses make it nasty stuff?

Marijuana makes you higher than a kite. It must be really nasty.

You chemical guys are some funny mofo's.

Heard good things about this on another forum.

 

[Payaso]

Oy Vey, you all tax the patience of the mods... I cleaned this thread once already and asked you to be more respectful of each other, but this subject is obviously too passionate to be having here at ICMag...and so it is closed.