The IC Organic Growers Community Thread.

[VerdantGreen]

great stuff guys, i'll have to work out how to give the Cherry Bomb seeds away to the best pics at some point - any suggestions let me know... maybe nominate the best pics and a vote?
some old pics of my Cherryjuana cross (cherry bomb x herijuana)
done under my 104watt LED

VG

 

[vapor]

loved the cherry bomb i had from mr grreengenes was awesome! tall lanky and small nugs all over the plants! great high! try'd the herijuanan a couple times smoking one of them was uber strong the other just good. Sound s like interesting cross. peace

 

[xmobotx]

VG maybe start a nomination thread then a poll thread

FTM; maybe do a "methods" thread or start a discussion on your particular brand of organics? i dont care what anyone says; you can't argue w/ your results :shrug:

 

[Carlos Danger]

Indoor or outdoor, final product or living plant beauty? Lots to gauge on. Just glad I already have some Cherry Bomb, I don't think I'll be beating some of you in photos.

 

[VerdantGreen]

carlos, i think its just got to be a great photo that encapsulates the beauty of organic growing

hey xmo, i was thinking a similar thing with the nominations/poll

as for a thread, ive been meaning to start one for a while, but have been hesitant because of the disagreements it might cause - my methods arent anything particularly ground-breaking... but people do like to pigeon-hole everything and then make big sweeping generalizations about it my organic soil doesnt quite fit into rols, or living soil, or supersoil - but it uses elements of all of them. this has caused some arguments in the past which get a bit tiresome.
you're right though i should try and throw something up in the organic soil forum, i tend to talk about it more in my grow threads where people are less likely to cause trouble.

thanks xmo

VG

 

[Carlos Danger]

VG, you know my take. Fuck the -isms and walking the straight and narrow of a system. Take what works from them all and fuck the gurus. Most of them aren't being honest anyway.

I'm still waiting to hear something more about the radioactive dangers of CalPhos. I want a higher soluble phosphorus source for foliar and for conditioning manure. Currently using 2-4-2 Neptune's Harvest (no one remind me there are other elements than NPK, I know, sorry to be snippy) as the phosphorus catalyst for my current foliar, but for the price it is incredibly hard to beat calphos. If only I had a time machine to get the good quality guano the 19th century wasted.

 

[vonforne]

carlos, i think its just got to be a great photo that encapsulates the beauty of organic growing

hey xmo, i was thinking a similar thing with the nominations/poll

as for a thread, ive been meaning to start one for a while, but have been hesitant because of the disagreements it might cause - my methods arent anything particularly ground-breaking... but people do like to pigeon-hole everything and then make big sweeping generalizations about it my organic soil doesnt quite fit into rols, or living soil, or supersoil - but it uses elements of all of them. this has caused some arguments in the past which get a bit tiresome.
you're right though i should try and throw something up in the organic soil forum, i tend to talk about it more in my grow threads where people are less likely to cause trouble.

thanks xmo

VG

Here is something from the late, great Gasman. He was critical of using bottled nutrients but had a great understanding of soil and soil science in his own way from years of experience.

The thing is....every soil mix becomes something different for each user. Inputs may be source related,one user may not be able to source what another can. It's a custom thing based upon what you understand about basic soil biological processes and what materials are used.

If you reach that point and come here and ask..."hey,what do I do now that it's time to re-amend,this is what I have.???..."...someone will help you,but it is here in the thread..all the little things each grower does to sustain the soil for repeated indoor cannabis cycles.

I have some boring veg pictures of your stuff VG. They are hitting about week three. I just transplanted them into 1 gallons of re-amended mix that come out of the flower room about a week ago. I will have them sexed and in 7 or 10 gallon smart pots to get ready for the flower room.

They are all growing great. We have a few different phenos showing. Looks to be a good one.

 

[VerdantGreen]

cheers carlos

von, that a good quote. i think the hatred of bottles that some people have comes from the fact that they were previously a 'slave' to the bottled nutes and having problems with them. Others seem to use bottled nute lines and get great results.
myself i have always grown pretty much the same since before i started posting my grows on the net... the biggest change i have made was to start recycling my soil for the same crop (cannabis) rather than use it for my tomatoes etc... but i use largely the same ferts/amendments as before anyway. i do love to try out new things though so its great to read what everyone else is doing.

VG

edit - von, good to hear the FB are doing well!

 

[vonforne]

cheers carlos

von, that a good quote. i think the hatred of bottles that some people have comes from the fact that they were previously a 'slave' to the bottled nutes and having problems with them. Others seem to use bottled nute lines and get great results.
myself i have always grown pretty much the same since before i started posting my grows on the net... the biggest change i have made was to start recycling my soil for the same crop (cannabis) rather than use it for my tomatoes etc... but i use largely the same ferts/amendments as before anyway. i do love to try out new things though so its great to read what everyone else is doing.

VG

edit - von, good to hear the FB are doing well!

Growing methods vary along with the inputs one can get. I don´t think it was a ´slave´ type of thing but rather a freedom from the grips of Bayblon and the misinformation and fleecing done to people by using their products. We all know that using the materials in their ´raw´ form benefit the plants better. Or better in a way we think.

I use a similar soil make up that I did originally. I just use an expanding clay (bentonite) opposed to a non expanding clay (vermiculite). Added some different mineral inputs and have now lessened my aeration input. Oh and I use coral calcium for a calcium carbonate in put.

 

[Carlos Danger]

It's the sheer markup and the snake oil salesmanship that pisses people off about the bottled stuff. Call something by a ridiculous name but it's just diluted molasses. If the marketing and price on the stuff was honest people would have less problems paying for the convenience of the bottle.

 

[vonforne]

It's the sheer markup and the snake oil salesmanship that pisses people off about the bottled stuff. Call something by a ridiculous name but it's just diluted molasses. If the marketing and price on the stuff was honest people would have less problems paying for the convenience of the bottle.

That is true! When we started the OFC some of use were trying to copy Liquid Karma that is how I got into using Yucca extract. I could get all the stuff to make a few thousand gallons for pennies. lol Most people do not know how to read labels and if they do then they don´t care what they put on their plants or what they give to their patients and or customers. There are some decent bottled companies I see no problem with new growers using like Earth Juice and Neptunes. But some of that other shit. lmao is pure junk.

Our society has been structured around convenience in every form. Sad.

V

 

[Granger2]

The epitome of this is Advanced Nutrients. Hype, hype, hype. Good results can be achieved, but at a super high price. Causes resentment that has foamed over on all other bottled nute lines. Even the good ones that are reasonably priced.

There are many ways to grow great quality bud organically. To each his own. Good luck. -granger

 

[OrganicLearner]

What would be the outcome from using ewc steeped in water with mollasses or a week? Would any harm occur from this? Not bubbled just sitting in a milk jug and shakedown every once in a while..

 

[stihgnobevoli]

it will still make tea.

 

[OrganicLearner]

I know it will still be a "tea" although I wouldn't consider it a tea, what I'm asking is if any problems would occur by pouring this anaerobic concoction on soil..

 

[stihgnobevoli]

if you shake it up it shouldn't be that anaerobic. if you look up compost tea on google the basic directions for making it are a bag of compost in a gallon milk jug of water. shake it up a little everyday.

 

[vonforne]

What would be the outcome from using ewc steeped in water with mollasses or a week? Would any harm occur from this? Not bubbled just sitting in a milk jug and shakedown every once in a while..

That is basically a ´slurry´ let the EWC and water sit for a period and then shake......repeat every few hours and then water in.

V

 

[Lapides]

A little peak inside one of my rooms.
I have 4 Casey Jones trees in there under 2kW.
They've been getting, for the most part, nothing but water, with a little bit of molasses for 8 weeks.
This is fresh soil, but I am on the recycling bandwagon from this point forward. My other room is on it's second run, using the same dirt from the cycle before, reammended with 1/2 of my usual ammendments. Love this thread!

 

[Granger2]

The tea could be beneficial, but I wouldn't use it if it starts smelling bad. For a slurry, you wouldn't need to steep it more than 24 hrs to get the benefit. It shouldn't start smelling bad in that time. Good luck. -granger

 

[vonforne]

Here are some that just went into the flower room. It is a C99 cross that came from my selection after the first run with these.

I have revised my soil mix to exclude the Napa 8822 and perlite and to use less amount of it in the mix. I am now using just 10 to 15% aeration. I am now using only Lava rack....crushed for an aeration amendment. It is something I had read that MM prefers so I thought I would give it a run or three and see how it works for me. These are in 7 gallon smart pots and will be no-till as we go along. The smart pots are hooked up with the Blumats and are doing fine. I still need to do some tweeking on them but so far so good. It is my first time using the Blumats.

They are in the first week of 12\12 and this morning before lights out have received a folair of Kelp and alfalfa meal with Aloe Vera.