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CO2 MYTH BUSTED

devilgoob

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Say, if you were balacing on a bike....side to side, what if you leaned 10 more degrees over to one side?

It is a balance. Saying the Earth produces stuff, is not an arugment against anything.

The weather being hot today doesn't change it.


The fact then when you heat water up and it steams and the steam condenses, that it's not just a temperature change but the latent heat of steam.

The same for ice, that it holds temepature and doesn't just transition from ice to water with temperature, but the same very cold temperature that got it 32 degrees, is the temperature you'd think does it, but even further entropy of heat is needed to change it from water to ice.

That is called "latent heat of fusion."

So you see, things are not in temperature, they (average particle kinetic energy) are in stored in the energy needed for phase transistions.

C0^2, much like glass in a greenhouse, does trap heat, and does mean something. Tell me, when you release a single breath of co2, does it help it get hotter, or colder? Well. which?

Cars give off tons of heat, but the funny thing is, Earth naturally convects, emits and rids itself of excess heat, but something is trapping it. This is like a house having Aerogel foam insulation in a house, so that electronics, your body heat, and other devices could produce VERY little heat, but THE INSULATION OR REFLECTING BACK of that heat is the most important factor actually.

This is course, doesn't prove the Earth cycle that happened 70,000 years ago where a mini ice-age happened over North America.

Of course is does prove it doesn't cause it, but may cause it to cause faster. :)
 

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We got it wrong on warming, says IPCC

We got it wrong on warming, says IPCC

THE Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's latest assessment reportedly admits its computer drastically overestimated rising temperatures, and over the past 60 years the world has in fact been warming at half the rate claimed in the previous IPCC report in 2007.

More importantly, according to reports in British and US media, the draft report appears to suggest global temperatures were less sensitive to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide than was previously thought.

The 2007 assessment report said the planet was warming at a rate of 0.2C every decade, but according to Britain's The Daily Mail the draft update report says the true figure since 1951 has been 0.12C.

Last week, the IPCC was forced to deny it was locked in crisis talks as reports intensified that scientists were preparing to revise down the speed at which climate change is happening and its likely impact.

It is believed the IPCC draft report will still conclude there is now greater confidence that climate change is real, humans are having a major impact and that the world will continue to warm catastrophically unless drastic action is taken to curb greenhouse gas emissions.

The impacts would include big rises in the sea level, floods, droughts and the disappearance of the Arctic icecap.

But claimed contradictions in the report have led to calls for the IPCC report process to be scrapped.

Professor Judith Curry, head of climate science at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, told The Daily Mail the leaked summary showed "the science is clearly not settled, and is in a state of flux".

The Wall Street Journal said the updated report, due out on September 27, would show "the temperature rise we can expect as a result of manmade emissions of carbon dioxide is lower than the IPCC thought in 2007".

The WSJ report said the change was small but "it is significant because it points to the very real possibility that, over the next several generations, the overall effect of climate change will be positive for humankind and the planet".

After several leaks and reports on how climate scientists would deal with a slowdown in the rate of average global surface temperatures over the past decade, the IPCC was last week forced to deny it had called for crisis talks.

"Contrary to the articles the IPCC is not holding any crisis meeting," it said in a statement.

The IPCC said more than 1800 comments had been received on the final draft of the "summary for policymakers" to be considered at a meeting in Stockholm before the release of the final report. It did not comment on the latest report, which said scientists accepted their forecast computers may have exaggerated the effect of increased carbon emissions on world temperatures and not taken enough notice of natural variability.

According to The Daily Mail, the draft report recognised the global warming "pause", with average temperatures not showing any statistically significant increase since 1997.

Scientists admitted large parts of the world had been as warm as they were now for decades at a time between 950 and 1250, centuries before the Industrial Revolution.

And, The Daily Mail said, a forecast in the 2007 report that hurricanes would become more intense had been dropped.

Writing in The Wall Street Journal, Matt Ridley said the draft report had revised downwards the "equilibrium climate sensitivity", a measure of eventual warming induced by a doubling of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. It had also revised down the Transient Climate Response, the actual climate change expected from a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide about 70 years from now.

Ridley said most experts believed that warming of less than 2C from pre-industrial levels would result in no net economic and ecological damage. "Therefore, the new report is effectively saying (based on the middle of the range of the IPCC's emissions scenarios) that there is a better than 50-50 chance that by 2083 the benefits of climate change will still outweigh the harm," he said.

Ya'll niggahs be hatin' but on some real shit - My OP was on the money - that carbon tax money they want!

We got it wrong on warming, says IPCC
 
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RB56

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Even if you had provided proper attribution and not just plagariazed large chucnks of questionable material, your racist summary tells me all I need to know about you as a source of information.
 

LyryC

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Racist? More like lively. You are a problem to society. Open up... ease off the fucking IM ALWAYS RIGHT reigns would ya?

I didn't say anything racist lol - its your interpretation of the words I used and the context of that interpretation that is racist - the irony.

Now back to hte subject at hand - connect the dots and this makes sense and lets be real - if you been looking outside and actually caring about earth - you would notice that all these global warming claims are just not true and the science is there - sorry im not here to do your homework.

BUT chemtrails and HAARP are having devastating effects on us. and Oregon just burned 40 tons of GMO sugar beets and man theres so much shit going on right now that when you think about it - this whole global warming thing is a MAJOR distraction from the real issues.

Our top soil will be gone in 120 years.
Erosion and deforestation are plaguing mother earth and will bring about our demise if we do not stop and incorporate the greatest plant on earth - hemp into our lives as it used to be.

But all we talk about is bullshit Syria - they just want the oil people durka durka lets get over the bullshit and start this revolution already....

Fucking automated zombie apocalypse up in this bitch ass stupid ass weak ass country aka USA. Sorry but the real patriots in this country are considered conspiracy theorists... and demonized beyond logically acceptable margins.... BUT OMG LOOK AT MILEY CYRUS AND NO TWINKIES.... If only we cared about Japans radioactive mess that much or things like not spending 4-6 trillion dollars of TAX MONEY on war when it only takes 30 billion to fix global poverty annually.

So sorry your opinion of the vocabulary I used is going to negate any truth presented.

I was just being myself feelin good and happy because this reinforces my stance on this whole Co2 bullshit. Follow the money like everything else fool and this is purely the beginning of a means to tax the very air we breathe.

But thanks for stopping by and putting in all the time to read the article and then let my good spirits spoil it all :)
 

devilgoob

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.1C x 20 years = 2C

(Sounds of AA guns, mortars, bomb raid sirens)

I don't care.

(fires a hole into an old-lady holding an RPG)

All a distraction.

(Bashes baby bald eagles' skull into ground, while simulataneous sucking its cerebral contents)

Burps

(All that is known is forgotten. Power rules over loyalty. Our past not even a legacy. Worship of power instilled. All new ideas banished. All current ideas treated as holy magic)
 

LyryC

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.1C x 20 years = 2C

(Sounds of AA guns, mortars, bomb raid sirens)

I don't care.

(fires a hole into an old-lady holding an RPG)

All a distraction.

(Bashes baby bald eagles' skull into ground, while simulataneous sucking its cerebral contents)

Burps

(All that is known is forgotten. Power rules over loyalty. Our past not even a legacy. Worship of power instilled. All new ideas banished. All current ideas treated as holy magic)

I like the graphic replication of your thoughts and their process. Its sad how its all spiraling down like a pile of shit in a toilet bowl.

Well said.
 

GMT

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Can we please get a minimum age on this site? Or at least an IQ test on the sign up process?
 

devilgoob

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My "quantifiable intelligence" if it can be measured, is: 143 +-16 on the Stanford-binet scale.

I am 27.
 

Hash Zeppelin

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The earth itself produces more than 90% of all emissions. So...

^and it is contained in the ice caps. By melting the icecaps we are releasing c02 that has been trapped for millions of years. It could very well make the planet uninhabitable because the lungs of the planet aka the rain forests have mostly been cut down.

Human have trashed the planet, and it could render mankind extinct. Mother nature only created us to make plastic anyways. she has enough for forever. we can go. earth will stay.
 

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U.N. Report To Downgrade Climate Change Risk

In an apparent about-face from its most recent report in 2007, the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is expected to dramatically scale back previous dire predictions regarding the perceived threat of man-made global warming. The IPCC’s fifth such report, set to be released later this month, will reportedly address incorrect measurements used to calculate temperature change in the previous incarnation.

When the group issued results six years ago showing the earth’s temperature could rise more than 6 degrees Fahrenheit, the mainstream media naturally jumped on board by perpetuating the myth that we are responsible for our own inevitable demise.
Though specific details have not yet emerged, early reports show the IPCC will substantially downgrade its previous prediction, which was based on an inaccurate computer program.
Climate change activists already face their own “inconvenient truth,” as temperatures worldwide have not risen in recent years. Coupled with less-than-devastating predictions by the IPCC, the movement seems destined for gridlock.
Actual science, however, is largely disregarded by the green energy crowd, which will surely pick and choose portions of the upcoming report that support their flawed hypotheses. As more actual research replaces the wild speculation of Al Gore and his ilk, the doomsday shrieks will sound increasingly absurd.
Considering their adherence to a set of provably false tenets, leftists apparently fail to see the irony in calling conservatives climate change “deniers.”
 

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Canned sunshine!

Canned sunshine!

A Device That Converts Sunlight Into Hydrogen Fuel

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Canned Sunshine Trevor Johnston
Editor's Note Although batteries are great for some things, they aren't quite up to storing large-scale solar power for later use. That's why many people are trying to make fuel from light instead.
"The idea is to take the energy in light and store it as a fuel we can use later. So we made the GRAFSTRR (Gravity-Fed Solar-Thermochemical Receiver/Reactor)—a 1,000-pound cylinder of insulated steel, about 3 feet wide and 2.5 feet tall. In the lab, 10 lamps simulate only 10 to 20 kilowatts of sunlight. (In the real world, though, tens of thousands of small mirrors across a field would reflect sunlight into the reactor.) The light enters the top of the reactor and passes through a circular quartz window that keeps out air, which can contaminate the chemical reaction inside. At the light’s most concentrated and hottest point—3,000°F—it enters the reaction cavity.
Fifteen hoppers drop zinc oxide powder into the cavity. When the radiation there hits the zinc oxide, it breaks the bond between the zinc and the oxygen, making free zinc. In the future, a second reactor would use the zinc to strip the oxygen from water, making hydrogen gas.Theoretically, we could capture about 40 percent of the energy, but in lab experiments to demonstrate the design, we get less than 3 percent. Our reactor is mostly a proof-of-concept, but I think it could be scaled up in my kids’ lifetime.”
--Erik Koepf is a mechanical engineer. He worked on the reactor as a graduate student at the University of Delaware, in collaboration with the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich.
This article originally appeared in the September 2013 issue of Popular Science.
 

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Leaf Science

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Medical Marijuana Research Is Now Legal In Arizona, But Scientists Say NIDA Won’t Let It Fly

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In May, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed a bill into law that lifted restrictions on state colleges and universities interested in studying the effects of medical marijuana.

The new laws were welcomed by researchers like Dr. Sue Sisley, a practicing physician and faculty member at the University of Arizona College of Medicine, who has tried for years to conduct a study on marijuana as a treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder.

Despite the change, Dr. Sisley told the Arizona Daily Wildcat on Thursday that she has yet to make any real progress with her plans.

“That bill – even though it was a huge victory, it’s a huge symbolic victory because it only takes us about five percent of the way.”

Dr. Sisley says there are “two huge barriers” preventing her and other Arizona researchers from investigating medical marijuana: A lack of funding and the problem of what she calls the “NIDA monopoly.”

“The government has already decided the fate of marijuana.”
Indeed, resistance from the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) seems to hamper marijuana research across the country. Because while conducting a study involving cannabis is now permitted in Arizona, the government agency is still the only legal source of the plant for scientists in the U.S.

And that means – while the FDA is traditionally responsible for approving clinical research on drugs – the NIDA gets to decide who can or cannot study marijuana.

Dr. Sisley knows this problem all too well.

Her plan to study medical marijuana on 50 combat veterans with PTSD was approved by the FDA in 2010 and was warmly received by supporters of cannabis medicine.

Dr. Sisley explained why she felt cannabis could help sufferers of PTSD in an interview with Medical Marijuana 411.

“We have numerous anecdotal reports from our combat vets and even from other first responders – like police and fire[fighters] – talking about how valuable cannabis has been in managing their symptoms.”

But three years later, she has yet to convince the NIDA to let her move forward.
Dr. Sue Sisley is a specialist in internal medicine and psychiatry. (Photo: Medical Marijuana 411)
Dr. Sue Sisley is a specialist in internal medicine and psychiatry. (Photo: Medical Marijuana 411)

Dr. Sisley blames the NIDA and the DEA – which screens research applications for marijuana grown by the NIDA – for having a mandate to only provide marijuana to researchers who want to study the harmful effects or abuse potential of marijuana – and not the positive effects.

“The government has already decided the fate of marijuana… They decided that, in their heads, marijuana has no medical benefit. That’s why they put it as a Schedule I drug. People in law enforcement – the DEA – for some reason they’re allowed to make a decision about the medical properties of this plant.”

Indeed, if more studies came out in favour of marijuana – which a significant number have already – the DEA would be under even more pressure to acknowledge their overly restrictive classification of the drug.

And the pressure is already at an all-time high, with such prominent doctors as Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN’s chief medical correspondent, publicly labeling the DEA’s scheduling of marijuana as a “hypocrisy.”

Dr. Sisley is not impressed either.

“The DEA should have no business defining what class drugs are placed in,” she concludes.
 

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Having the National Institute on Drug Abuse as being the internal decider is like...

telling a dog to watch that steak while you're gone, so that nobody touches it.

Giving religious folks the task of investigating whether homosexuality is wrong or not.

Letting students grade their own papers.

Licking one's own ass and sucking government schlong.
 

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Share!!!

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U.N. Report To Downgrade Climate Change Risk

In an apparent about-face from its most recent report in 2007, the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is expected to dramatically scale back previous dire predictions regarding the perceived threat of man-made global warming. The IPCC’s fifth such report, set to be released later this month, will reportedly address incorrect measurements used to calculate temperature change in the previous incarnation.

When the group issued results six years ago showing the earth’s temperature could rise more than 6 degrees Fahrenheit, the mainstream media naturally jumped on board by perpetuating the myth that we are responsible for our own inevitable demise.
Though specific details have not yet emerged, early reports show the IPCC will substantially downgrade its previous prediction, which was based on an inaccurate computer program.
Climate change activists already face their own “inconvenient truth,” as temperatures worldwide have not risen in recent years. Coupled with less-than-devastating predictions by the IPCC, the movement seems destined for gridlock.
Actual science, however, is largely disregarded by the green energy crowd, which will surely pick and choose portions of the upcoming report that support their flawed hypotheses. As more actual research replaces the wild speculation of Al Gore and his ilk, the doomsday shrieks will sound increasingly absurd.
Considering their adherence to a set of provably false tenets, leftists apparently fail to see the irony in calling conservatives climate change “deniers.”

Well the report is out and here are some of the highlights.

http://www.ipcc.ch/

Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, many of the observed changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia. The atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amounts of snow and ice have diminished, sea level has risen, and the concentrations of greenhouse gases have increased

Each of the last three decades has been successively warmer at the Earth’s surface than any preceding decade since 1850 (see Figure SPM.1). In the Northern Hemisphere, 1983–2012 was likely the warmest 30-year period of the last 1400 years

Ocean warming dominates the increase in energy stored in the climate system, accounting for more than 90% of the energy accumulated between 1971 and 2010 (high confidence). It is virtually certain that the upper ocean (0−700 m) warmed from 1971 to 2010 (see Figure SPM.3), and it likely warmed between the 1870s and 1971

Over the last two decades, the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have been losing mass, glaciers have continued to shrink almost worldwide, and Arctic sea ice and Northern Hemisphere spring snow cover have continued to decrease in extent (high confidence)

The rate of sea level rise since the mid-19th century has been larger than the mean rate during the previous two millennia (high confidence). Over the period 1901–2010, global mean sea level rose by 0.19 [0.17 to 0.21] m

The atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2), methane, and nitrous oxide have increased to levels unprecedented in at least the last 800,000 years. CO2 concentrations have increased by 40% since pre-industrial times, primarily from fossil fuel emissions and secondarily from net land use change emissions. The ocean has absorbed about 30% of the emitted anthropogenic carbon dioxide, causing ocean acidification

Total radiative forcing is positive, and has led to an uptake of energy by the climate system. The largest contribution to total radiative forcing is caused by the increase in the atmospheric concentration of CO2 since 1750

Human influence on the climate system is clear. This is evident from the increasing greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere, positive radiative forcing, observed warming, and understanding of the climate system.

Climate models have improved since the AR4. Models reproduce observed continental-scale surface temperature patterns and trends over many decades, including the more rapid warming since the mid-20th century and the cooling immediately following large volcanic eruptions (very high confidence).

Observational and model studies of temperature change, climate feedbacks and changes in the Earth’s energy budget together provide confidence in the magnitude of global warming in response to past and future forcing.

Human influence has been detected in warming of the atmosphere and the ocean, in changes in the global water cycle, in reductions in snow and ice, in global mean sea level rise, and in changes in some climate extremes (Figure SPM.6 and Table SPM.1). This evidence for human influence has grown since AR4. It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century.

Continued emissions of greenhouse gases will cause further warming and changes in all components of the climate system. Limiting climate change will require substantial and sustained reductions of greenhouse gas emissions.

Global surface temperature change for the end of the 21st century is likely to exceed 1.5°C relative to 1850 to 1900 for all RCP scenarios except RCP2.6. It is likely to exceed 2°C for RCP6.0 and RCP8.5, and more likely than not to exceed 2°C for RCP4.5. Warming will continue beyond 2100 under all RCP scenarios except RCP2.6. Warming will continue to exhibit interannual-to-decadal variability and will not be regionally uniform

Changes in the global water cycle in response to the warming over the 21st century will not be uniform. The contrast in precipitation between wet and dry regions and between wet and dry seasons will increase, although there may be regional exceptions

The global ocean will continue to warm during the 21st century. Heat will penetrate from the surface to the deep ocean and affect ocean circulation.

It is very likely that the Arctic sea ice cover will continue to shrink and thin and that Northern Hemisphere spring snow cover will decrease during the 21st century as global mean surface temperature rises. Global glacier volume will further decrease.

Global mean sea level will continue to rise during the 21st century (see Figure SPM.9). Under all RCP scenarios the rate of sea level rise will very likely exceed that observed during 1971–2010 due to increased ocean warming and increased loss of mass from glaciers and ice sheets.

Climate change will affect carbon cycle processes in a way that will exacerbate the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere (high confidence). Further uptake of carbon by the ocean will increase ocean acidification.

Cumulative emissions of CO2 largely determine global mean surface warming by the late 21st century and beyond (see Figure SPM.10). Most aspects of climate change will persist for many centuries even if emissions of CO2 are stopped. This represents a substantial multi-century climate change commitment created by past, present and future emissions of CO2.

No apparent about faces, no dramatically scaling back of dire predictions, no downgrading of the risk of climate change, what happened? Don't you just hate it when the truth fails to live up to your view of the truth? My advice, find new sources for information because clearly the ones you've been using are wrong.
 

LyryC

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PALEEZ.

PALEEZ.

Well the report is out and here are some of the highlights.

http://www.ipcc.ch/
No apparent about faces, no dramatically scaling back of dire predictions, no downgrading of the risk of climate change, what happened? Don't you just hate it when the truth fails to live up to your view of the truth? My advice, find new sources for information because clearly the ones you've been using are wrong.

Didn't know this was a personal thing :wave:

You know what my source is? my heart, eyes and soul - my peers - and yes the internet.

You are a fucking tool to think global warming is an issue that is important and requires immediate action.

The fact that we care about global warming goes to show just how brainwashed we have become... a very distracted society all together.

Global warming... is not important... C02 levels are not causing problems and for crying out fucking loud - why can't we worry about deforestation or erosion half as much as we do about Global warming? THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY POTENTIAL GLOBAL WARMING. durka durka?

Or how about industrial agriculture - the #1 reason and #1 contributor to our pollution's. And roundup! That shit is found in pregnant women....

And if you eat fish - you are not eating the fish you think you are. Most fish are farmed - and most farms are maxed out if not already collapsed. Fish labeling has become very "fishy".... And our chicken from USA going to china then coming back with new regulations allowing even lower quality????

But instead we are distracted and have been manipulated with propaganda to think we are causing hte earth to warm up with "green house gasses" and inturn this is destroying earth... WITH OUR CARS LOL!!!!!

:laughing:

And we talk about these things - but aren't so quick to give up our luxuries that woudl be gone if we lived on earth how we are supposed to.

Problems larger than Global Warming :

Water shortage. Over abundance of food but a lack of equality through out earth to share it.... Fukoshima - 100000 billion times more important to discuss than Mythical Green House Gasses. HEMP WOULD REJUVENATE JAPAN BTW. Fix that radiation catastrophe.

The Garbage Continent.... Pacific Ocean pollution.... HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

What else - oh yeah deforestation - why can't we stop that... 1 acre of hemp produces more material in only 6 months vs 40 years for timber and consumes MORE CO2 than an acre of full grown trees...

And erosion.... all this agriculture has destroyed our soil - water - air - land - everything.... The mass chemicals - the destruction of hte land - the out of balance / lacking eco systems.... The food isn't even good too - fake milk - mad cow disease - feeding animals to themselves... are you a cannibal? what makes it right to force something else to be? All those pesticides fungicides shmogus cides.... CHEMTRAILS.....


HOW ABOUT ALL THE MEDICATION americans are on.... THE MOST out of the whole world... we are crackhead pill adict fucking idiots who don't want a cure but want to remain sick and increase greedy pigs profits.... While we pee so much estrogen into the water system that FISH have fucking ANTI DEPRESANTS IN THEM AND BIRTH CONTROL...... WHAT HTE HELL!!!! But oh no global wamring - TAX MY CAR PLEASE.

Co2 - global warming - those are distractions - jokes in our faces to prove how fucking stupid we really are....

Its so ironic... We care about earth dying - think we know why its dying - when really we are the ones killing it... we need to change asap. 120 years of top soil left - and its going faster than we expected. takes 500 years to reproduce 1 inch of top soil naturally.

Fuck theres so much to explain.

But piss off if your coming at me personally hempcat...

I'm part of Generation Y - a bunch of zombie idiots with diamonds in the rough here and there(me) but Its almost as if this generation is completely lost. Very few awake people my age who care and want to act. They are so sucked into the system and reliant on it that they can't even see past the illusions and deceit.

GOOD NEWS Generation X is so supportive - they call me a leader and charismatic - agree with what I say and motivate me thru help and encouragement. While my generation ridicules the truth - slanders love and knows not how to live as a human - but instead live as machines... The older folks praise my passion and listen to me - as well as teach me much.

Wheres the love? Wheres the love on earth between people - animals - plants and the elements... Wheres love in our schools - governments - friendships... We are so misguided with material consumerism we have lost our spirituality or are losing it rapidly.

I think the younger generation the 2000'ers are even more awake than Generation Y... some really bright young people aware of hte corruption and surprise me all the time...

Not all is lost and sure this shit sounds horrendous but we can fix it - change for hte better - instill love into life as it was.

Warriors of the Rainbow - great old native american saying. Thats me.
 

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