Plummeting Marijuana Prices for Growers

[Yes4Prop215]

Funny stuff.

The complete opposite is about to happen in Canada. Our conservative government has passed new laws making mandatory minimums for cannabis production. 5 plants or more and you do a minimum of 6 months and with our federal MMAR program ending on March 31,st 2014 pot prices are set to skyrocket in 9 months time.

Growing dope may mean serious time. With the risk comes the reward.

what up VP havent seen you around here lately! crazy to hear about canada reversing its MMAR program thats insane....pretty fucking ridiculous they are passing mandatory minimums now...what are the penalties for growing 1000s of plants?

also alot of you folks talking about growing thousands of plants in your backyard when its legal with zero licensing or fees are dreaming.....LEGALIZATION MEANS THAT ONLY A SELECT FEW CAN GROW AND SELL HERB, you will need to pay out the ass to legally sell herb. ive been preaching that for a while now, its going to be heavily regulated and taxed. dont believe me just look at washingtons new laws...big money wants to hijack the commercial production and sale of cannabis, and they are making HOME GROWING ILLEGAL.

prop 19 looks like fairies and daisies compared to WA new legalization....god only knows what will happen in california. they will most definately have limits of some sort to cull as much competition as possible.

 

[VagPuncher]

what up VP havent seen you around here lately! crazy to hear about canada reversing its MMAR program thats insane....pretty fucking ridiculous they are passing mandatory minimums now...what are the penalties for growing 1000s of plants?
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Hey Bud. Just been super busy running around the great north.

Here's a list to show what plant numbers mean how much time you'll do.




The federal legislation (Bill C-10) includes the following new measures:

Mandatory Minimum Sentences for Schedule II Drugs
(CANNABIS AND MARIJUANA)

• Trafficking: 1-2 YEARS minimum

• Possession for the Purpose of Trafficking: 1-2 YEARS minimum

• Importing/Exporting: 1 YEAR minimum

• Possession for the Purpose of Exporting: 1 YEAR minimum

• Production of 6 - 200 plants: 6 MONTHS minimum
With Health and Safety Factors: 9 MONTHS minimum

• Production of 201 - 500 plants: 1 YEAR minimum
With Health and Safety Factors: 18 MONTHS minimum

• Production of more than 500 plants: 2 YEARS minimum
With Health and Safety Factors: 3 YEARS minimum

• Production of oil or resin: 1 YEAR minimum
With Health and Safety Factors: 18 MONTHS minimum

* Above sentences are minimums, and will be increased with aggravating factors.

 

[Chamba]

Vag.....yep, that's severe, but I was in Canada not that long ago and when discussing this a friend in Vancouver said that although penalties are harsh now, these laws are rarely acted upon..he said the law and what actually happens in many cases is miles apart, but that's just from a Vancouver perspective, though I'm sure other provinces are filling up jails.

But he also said that bud is so cheap and with the high cost of electricity and the potential risk involved, he wonders why anyone would bother growing commercially as the profit is not that great now.....have prices risen in Canada recently due to these harsh laws?

 

[Neekz]

Interesting study by RAND, supposedly getting into the Industrial Production in Washington... http://www.rand.org/pubs/working_papers/WR764.html

 

[JKD]

Under prohibition alcohol was the sole domain of bootleggers. Now it is legal it is a huge taxable industry run by legitimate big business with only a handful of bootleggers. Brewing your own alcohol is as simple as growing your own cannabis and people still do it - the vast majority however buy through liquor stores. How and why would a legal cannabis industry be any different?

 

[theJointedOne]

Last year I had a buddy who was getting more than 1k per p wet in early sept (imo that was low but it was in butte county and the dudes stuff wasnt the best tbh, too many guerrilla old school mentality guys still up there thinking they need to heavy nitro till chop and are so unaware of proper curing and drying that the buds turn brown by december, good thing theres some excellent growers up there too to make up for the bad ones hehe)

But the smart guys hold out for much nicer donations at the right time..

As far as prices, even if high to highmid grade organic outdoor is going for 8 hundo a peice, imo its still cost effective to have a scene going, in norcal at least. U just have to crop more

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

No, if you want to sell it what you say might be true. Anyone can grow their own, like making your own beer or wine. If you want to sell then you will need to follow the laws.
Beer and wine are legal can they only be made by a select few?
If I did not know better then I would think you are trying to scare people from legalizing to ensure prices stay high?
-SamS

what up VP havent seen you around here lately! crazy to hear about canada reversing its MMAR program thats insane....pretty fucking ridiculous they are passing mandatory minimums now...what are the penalties for growing 1000s of plants?

also alot of you folks talking about growing thousands of plants in your backyard when its legal with zero licensing or fees are dreaming.....LEGALIZATION MEANS THAT ONLY A SELECT FEW CAN GROW AND SELL HERB, you will need to pay out the ass to legally sell herb. ive been preaching that for a while now, its going to be heavily regulated and taxed. dont believe me just look at washingtons new laws...big money wants to hijack the commercial production and sale of cannabis, and they are making HOME GROWING ILLEGAL.

prop 19 looks like fairies and daisies compared to WA new legalization....god only knows what will happen in california. they will most definately have limits of some sort to cull as much competition as possible.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

fuck this fuckin thread

 

[oldchuck]

Sam, I respect your opinions but I think your vision of "legal" may be a little myopic.

I tend to share Yes4's point of view. Who knows how the laws will shake out? Right now the various state laws on medical and recreational use are all over the place, inconsistent and downright stupid in a lot of cases. I am dreading what kind of serious legislation to "legalize" will sooner or later come up in Washington.

Take medical for example. If people were allowed to grow and formulate their own medications and these medications actually moderated symptoms, prevented diseases, or cured conditions that they would otherwise have to pay for who would lose money? There's no money for big pharma in free market weed. There would be huge loses for them. The only way big pharma (or big anything else) would make money off weed is to write themselves into the law in some kind of exclusive way.

So called legalization is not looking like a very good deal to me right now.

 

[OLDproLg]

^^it would if you have spent time in jail,for this little green plant?

Nothing in the world can hurt so bad for NOTHING!@ya..
Going to JAIL for a little green plant that never hurt nobody.

its just mind boggling how uninformed the people are,and any legalization
will end up in commonization an exceptance,that yes its not only harmless
but a medicine!!

Then you have people fucking up a good thing i dont care what it is????????
BHO/Home fires an all the idiots that cant take a little high,an act like dumb asses
making the whole weed thing look like a methlab thing now.
How can you control people to keep shit strait?

it will be a rollercoaster threw HELL before shit get straitened out................
Lg

 

[BushyOldGrower]

We don't want monopolies making chimps out of us all.

Sam is correct in most of his points and even though it could harm me legalization has to come eventually.

Some of our differences stem from our preferences. Outdoor growers sometimes get to like hash better. I can't live on just hash. To me it's all I get from smoking whole, raw and unprocessed indoor organic buds.

We don't want a couple big tobacco companies stealing our livelihoods. We have a right to protect our jobs so get involved in figuring out how to pass laws that will legalize but keep it a cottage industry. Bog.

 

[Slip Kid]

That's crazy about Canada, I was just reminiscing about running into growers in Nova Scotia in the late 80's.I really felt like an ass when I realized how nice the climate was in places.I hope things change for the better up there. Canada has done so much for the whole biz, there's always been so many growers.Our American schoolbooks had everything north of the border colored white.
I like this thread because it's bringing up a whole bunch of ideas about where this is all going.If any of us want to continue to do this we have to be open to new ways and mind sets.Sometimes I feel like a gopher, coming out and running back into my hole in the ground and repeating.I thought Canada would be 100% legal now, I really did, 10 yrs back anyway!

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

To me it is not normalized until anyone, big biz included, can legally grow, sell, or smoke Cannabis.
I will go further and say when big biz can legally be involved in the Cannabis market, that will assure that Cannabis will stay legal. Once big biz and the government get their share of profits, they will find a way to keep the profit coming in.
You say you have a right to protect your jobs, where were you when most American jobs got outsourced to Mexico, China, India? Or is it just the Cannabis jobs that deserve to be protected?
I really do not want Cannabis to be special, I want it normalized, like beer, wine, tobacco or food. As long as you can grow your own, like you can make your own beer, I will be happy. I want it legal, but not a cash cow for producers, it only makes for problems.
PS I am more of a greenhouse grower, but outdoors is great as long as the weather is good for the variety.
BTW, Big tobacco is interested, they have the infrastructure to get it grown, processed, packaged, and distributed to retail sellers, I bet it is the same with alcohol producers.
I have talked to several big tobacco companies, they are still scared of the negative publicity and will not speak publicly but you better believe they are interested.
Hey do not get me wrong, I do not really like big corporations, in general they suck and are greedy bastards, but if they grow Cannabis legally and sell it, then generations can avoid prison breaking up families and wasting lives, it has to be better?
I do not care about the money, I care about the people, if you are not in a jail you can try and make a living doing something else if Cannabis is selling for $100 a kg and there is no profit in it.
Anyway, what will happen will unfold in the near future, and I would not be surprised if that includes plummeting prices for Cannabis products.
If legalization brings about less arrests then it is worth it.
Time will tell.
-SamS

 

[idiit]

outdoor grows will be measured in "tons". $60/oz = aprox. $1,000 lb. = $2,000,000/ton.

now, if the status quo continues on it's current path every nation, every person except the "1 %'s" will be too broke to even afford $60/oz. anyone who dares to grow their own will be thrown in a fema camp.

 

[OLDproLg]

^^thats what they want you to think....scared.

Who's gonna admit to an indoor room,same as now nobody!
try they will to control it,but you cant control the people hahahaha,
try they will...huh!
Lg

 

[fatigues]

That's crazy about Canada, I was just reminiscing about running into growers in Nova Scotia in the late 80's.I really felt like an ass when I realized how nice the climate was in places.I hope things change for the better up there. Canada has done so much for the whole biz, there's always been so many growers.Our American schoolbooks had everything north of the border colored white.

Just to be clear on this and put it into proper perspective (and frankly, I was AMAZED this news item did not make it anywhere here on the news page) the situation in Canada may well be FAR different in 2+ years time.

And I do mean HOLY SHIT different.

On Tuesday, July 23, 2013, Justin Trudeau, Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada (yes, he is the eldest son of the late Pierre Trudeau) announced in Kelowna B.C. that he is no longer in favour of decriminalization. Trudeau came out lock, stock and two smoking bongs in favour of FULL LEGALIZATION.

Legalize, Tax and Regulate. In Canada, that will inevitably mean that marijuana is destined to be sold by crown corporations owned and operated by the various provincial governments in their liquor stores. All hard spirits in Canada are sold in liquor stores operated as state run monopolies owned by the Provincial governments. (there are no private liquor stores in Canada other than in the far North).

While it's all government run and Canadians universally complain about the high cost of booze compared to the USA, the stores are generally top-shelf retail space, brightly lit and well maintained. This is a pre-existing government controlled prime retail channel that is deeply imbedded into the Canadian marketplace. It's a brain-dead easy choice for the government to make and comparatively easy to sell to voters. When they say "we will check for ID and make sure we don't sell to kids" - voters will believe them.

It also means that, because the government will be doing the buying - they will control who they will be buying from (and what they will be selling). This may not be so good if you live in Alberta, but if you live in B.C., the Maritime Provinces or Ontario -- it probably means an assortment of packaged marijuana the likes of which nobody has ever seen before -- anywhere. This will be a legitimate target for investment by Big Business. Expect Seagrams and Imperial Tobacco to jump in with both feet.

This is a big deal, because Trudeau is currently safely ahead in the polls. Moreover, as the next election draws nigh in 2015, the Conservatives will by that time have been in power for nine years. That's generally the length of time that parties in federal politics stay in power until Canadians agree it's time for a change.

So not only is he currently ahead, Trudeau is a moderate to "quite likely" favorite to win. The NDP will support legalization, so even if Trudeau only wins a minority government, this is likely to fly.

Nothing is for sure, but the odds are more likely than not that sometime in 2016, Canada will withdraw from that part of the UN Treaty on Drugs that governs cannabis and will go fully legal, to buy, sell, possess and grow - (all subject to provincial regulation and taxation of course). For REAL.

The video of Justin Trudeau's speech is here (The Link is to YouTube).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BetOS0y9mNg

Trudeau was later offered a chance to "clarify" his views by the Globe and Mail (Essentially, Canada's New York Times) and Trudeau doubled down on it a few days ago. He's not kidding. He means it.

Canadians currently favour legalization by about a 56-58% margin. Importantly, the issue is a significant winner in B.C. with support in that region at 60% (especially popular in the south part of the province - which is why Trudeau announced it in Kelowna) and will probably tip the scales in favour of the Liberals in many of those ridings. (i.e, this is smart and savvy politics on behalf of Trudeau. He needs this to win a majority government).

Delegates to the Liberal Party of Canada in its last national convention voted 77.5% in favour of legalization a part of the Liberal Party's national policy platform. While this is not binding on the party leader, it is clear that Trudeau has the enthusiastic support of the party faithful - and he's going for it.

To be clear to international readers, the Liberal Party is not a fringe party in Canada. It is a moderate centre-left party which considers itself Canada's "natural governing party". The Liberals have been in power in Ottawa more often than any other party in the history of the country -- indeed, with more years in power in the 20th century than any other political party in any developed country.

This is akin to Barack Obama saying he will legalize cannabis by executive order without having a congressional vote of any sort to get in the way of it and mess it up, and without any State law being able to say "no". In Canada's Parliamentary system, the Prime Minister and Cabinet rule the roost - and practically speaking, they have complete power over all amendments to the Criminal Code. Further, there is no concurrent provincial jurisdiction over the criminal law in Canada. If Trudeau legalizes cannabis federally, it's legal for all purposes coast to coast and no provincial statute can override it.

So we're not kidding around here. Trudeau's announcement is, to date, the single greatest sign that full legalization of cannabis is soon coming to a Western nation.

I've been predicting this for a while now. People have been scoffing at me for a while now, too. Please, continue to scoff until it happens -- but understandably, I'm pretty chuffed.

 

[caligirl]

as a matter of fact, people should be really concerned with the chemicals used by many cannabis growers. The nutrients, boosters, pesticides and fungicides that many growers use are gonna kill the "pot is good for you" argument. These synthetic chemicals counter any of the beneficial, healing elements of cannabis. Most dispensery weed and when it happens, most massed produced weed will be the results of lots of toxins. When was the last time you smoked dispensery weed that left a nice grey ash instead of a black, sooty mess. So as long as small growers grow quality ORGANIC cannabis, their will be a need for that product.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

a dime is still $10

 

[SimplySour]

We don't want a couple big tobacco companies stealing our livelihoods. We have a right to protect our jobs so get involved in figuring out how to pass laws that will legalize but keep it a cottage industry. Bog.

After that, we could figure out how to make it so every white 8 year old kid can dunk a basketball.

 

[frito bandito]

So the Canadian government will be exclusively growing pot then? Fuck that...do not want.