first vertical grow

[crazycanadian]

well i finally chose a strain to grow...a 65/35 hybrid(sativa dom)- dinafem moby dick 2....gonna stick to a simple donut set up with 7 plants....the five moby dick 2's...one sage n' sour...and one akon aka snowbud....today i ordered a 1000 watt dimmable HID light...7 gallon fabric airpots and organic quality coco coir...i have the cana coco a&b and flowering formulas...for nutrients...im getting a 77x77x77 inch grow tent as well....i will always be ordering a can/filter combo to vent the hot smelly air out of the tent....my living area is a 3 bedroom duplex...i have half the house...neighbours have the other half...walls are thick and they are quiet but easy going people so i am not worried...i pay all bills on time...rent is even paid up well in advance...the house has very new central AC and the room im growing in stays at about 68 degrees all day...im wondering if it would be ok to vent the air into the closet in the bedroom im doing this in...i figured the air isnt going to smell since it will be getting pulled thru the carbon filter in the tent...just that the windows are bolted shut and i dont want to go cutting holes in the walls or ceilings either...so i wondered if that is ok...the room is 10.5x12.5 feet so running a 6.5x6.5 tent still leaves me with space and since the air stays really cool in the room i thought that would be ok...as for the plants i plan to veg for probably 4 wks as i know the moby dick 2 stretches a lot...and flower till they are done...any advice is welcome and appreciated thanks!

 

[Ichabod Crane]

I would drop the size of the pots to 5 gallon. That size would still be quite large for the plants.

I don't think it would be a good idea to vent into your living space. If you do you may end up with very high moisture which could lead to mold issues.

 

[crazycanadian]

well...i already orederd the 7 gallon pots...ive always found bigger pots-bigger plants...what i was thinking was putting a big cardboard box on the shelf in my closet full of dryer sheets with holes poked on top so the air can slowly disapate...and the sheets will therefore absorb the moisture...there is just no where to vent it...however the tent will be totally sealed at least...and like i said the room stays really cool from the ac all day long...my prime conceren is smell...not so much humidity...but i figured the box full of dryer sheets would help

 

[crazycanadian]

got my package from attitude...green tape from customs on in...the wallet i had opted to have the seeds shipped in was all that was in there...the seeds were gone! wtf...anyone had this happen...ive ordered from them before and been fine...any other suggestions...i just spent a bunch of money on all the other stuff needed and would really like to see this thru!

 

[Canada]

yea it happened to me 2 times but with a t-shirt . You should have got a letter with it just e-mail a copy of the letter from customs to the attitude and they will re-send you order .

 

[soursmoker]

I wouldn't order from the 'Tude... they are too big and flashy, they advertise in High Times for christ's sake...

Seedbay and SeedBou are the go to seed banks. Never lost an order and freebies are always on point!

I would listen to Ichabod, he's no noob, he knows what he is doing...
I deal with venting into living area and it's not as bad because I don't have as big of a grow but with a 1000w in 7 gal pots, you are going to have some big girls and they are going to be sweating a whole lot when light's go out. I feel you on not cutting holes or anything but you are going to have to find something out.

Do you have Central A/C? Is the room connected to the A/C ? If so, you might be ok because the Central A/C will be refreshing all the rooms with air... I think...

For the 7 gallons, you could fold them in half if you need smaller plants. Once again though, Ichabod is probably right. 5 gals are better suited. I feel you on already ordered it though...

I ordered some #7 and #5 smart pots and let me tell you the 7 gals are noticeably bigger to me. They are wider instead of taller, so they take up more floor space.

Good luck.

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

just got onto this thread.
i vent into roof space
i have an ambient RH between 10%-30%
mold isnt an issue.
if your RH is higher than listen to other people.

 

[bobblehead]

Bigger pots = bigger roots = bigger plant.

I've smoked ichabod's weed. It sucks.

 

[Mister_D]

Bigger pots = bigger roots = bigger plant.

I've smoked ichabod's weed. It sucks.

To an extent this is true, but like all things at some point there is diminished returns and problems begin. Let me explain, a bigger pot is beneficial up until the point where the roots are no longer densely filling the entire pot by a few weeks into flower (about the time root growth stops). If the entire pot isn't filled with roots you will very likely end up with hot spots (areas in the media that have high concentrations of nutes due to no roots being there to use it up), and waterlogged areas that are basically void of oxygen. These problems lead to nutrient imbalances, ph issues, and the dreaded root rot. I use what are sold as 5 gal smart pots (actually look to be 3 gal when compared to a 5 gal. bucket) to grow ~6ft tall plants yielding on avg. 8-10 oz per plant. So unless you plan to grow monsters or are using a water only organic mix there is no need to go beyond 3 gals of media growing indoors. I used to be convinced 5 gals would certainly do better than 3, but all it achieved was watering less often, and less yield......... Smaller pot means faster wet dry cycles, which in turn means more oxygen to the roots, which leads to faster growth and better yields. There is a reason hydro grows faster than soil....... high o2 levels in the root zone. HundredgramOz's journal is a perfect example of this concept in action.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Sorry to stir the pot with pot size when growing pot. No biggy just fill them less so the bag has more surface area than depth. This get more air to the roots. I would top it with something like NAPA floor dry to slow the evaporation from the surface. A inch or two is all that is needed.

Bobble is right about more roots equal more bud. My feeling on your pot size is that using that size pot would out grow you tent and you would lose some of the benifit Booble is talking about. Mister D is right on also with water more frequently as well to increase yield. Both good points to use for what ever situation you decideto do.

Thanks sour for the compliment. I know it is true because like bobble says my weed sucks, right on thru a pipe, bong or even a joint.

 

[bobblehead]

Good debate Ichy... Go read the big plant thread. Those guys have quit using smart pots in their outdoor grows, and have invested that money in more dirt. They just make huge mounds in/on the ground. The guys still using dumb pots cover them in straw to prevent the roots from dying from "air pruning."

If you don't over-water the larger pot, you won't have the slowed growth... but its easy to overwater a large pot and give the plants wet feet, which will slow down their growth.

My beds are a lot like a big pot... and I'm having great growth, easily comparable to the plants being grown in 5gal bags in the same room.

Smaller pots work with more frequent irrigation... I agree 100%, cause I did that too. I think which one works best depends on the grower.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Yes Smart pots outside never made sense to me. My raised beds dried out so fricking quick it hampers the growth in them. Got rid of them and went with subirigated beds and they love it.

So bobble are you saying he should just use a solid bed for his tent bottom?

 

[bobblehead]

12" deep should suffice.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

So about 310 gallons?

 

[bobblehead]

Yeah dude, I use a lot of medium. Like I said, big plants need big pots. You can defy this with increased irrigation frequency... but there's a reason the big plant guys have huge mounds of dirt vs. constant irrigation.

I'm not saying this is the only way to grow big plants... and there are people who can defy the logic of what I'm saying... but speaking in general, big pots can grow big plants.

 

[Mister_D]

Good debate Ichy... Go read the big plant thread. Those guys have quit using smart pots in their outdoor grows, and have invested that money in more dirt. They just make huge mounds in/on the ground. The guys still using dumb pots cover them in straw to prevent the roots from dying from "air pruning."

If you don't over-water the larger pot, you won't have the slowed growth... but its easy to overwater a large pot and give the plants wet feet, which will slow down their growth.

My beds are a lot like a big pot... and I'm having great growth, easily comparable to the plants being grown in 5gal bags in the same room.

Smaller pots work with more frequent irrigation... I agree 100%, cause I did that too. I think which one works best depends on the grower.

Yeah dude, I use a lot of medium. Like I said, big plants need big pots. You can defy this with increased irrigation frequency... but there's a reason the big plant guys have huge mounds of dirt vs. constant irrigation.

I'm not saying this is the only way to grow big plants... and there are people who can defy the logic of what I'm saying... but speaking in general, big pots can grow big plants.

Outdoors is a totally different monster than in. What works well outside doesn't always coincide with what is optimal inside. I highlighted the most valid point for consideration when a grower is making this choice. At the end of the day both methods correctly implemented will produce excellent results. Question is are you ok with just excellent results, or do you want to reproduce heath's yields? Comes down to work vs. reward Which of course has to be balanced with other life activities and X factors.......

And the reason those outdoor boys are using large amounts of dirt is because they are growing monster plants under the sun Much larger plant, much larger root system to fill pot/hole by the time roots stop growing . Also doing organics requires greater soil volume to hold enough nutes at the proper levels and support the accompanying life forms.

 

[DHF]

Outdoors is a totally different monster than in. What works well outside doesn't always coincide with what is optimal inside. I highlighted the most valid point for consideration when a grower is making this choice. At the end of the day both methods correctly implemented will produce excellent results. Question is are you ok with just excellent results, or do you want to reproduce heath's yields? Comes down to work vs. reward Which of course has to be balanced with other life activities and X factors.......

And the reason those outdoor boys are using large amounts of dirt is because they are growing monster plants under the sun Much larger plant, much larger root system to fill pot/hole by the time roots stop growing . Also doing organics requires greater soil volume to hold enough nutes at the proper levels and support the accompanying life forms.

I can`t even begin to believe that indoor setups can be compared to outdoor big plant grows , as in bigger pots =more roots=equals bigger yields when indoor shit has to be dialed to the tits compared to the organic end of things with giant pumpkins that revolve around simple parameters......

All amendments in said medium and a constant water supply , with foliars and teas accordingly to kick things up a knotch.....and.....

In response to OP`s original query.......Sorry this thread got turned into a debate instead of helpin yas CG.....Post back up with any questions after these tangents we went off on , and I`ll try to keep shit on track but I can`t make any promises with the way things turn controversial these days with certain members....

Mendo 420`s been around the block more than once , and his 800 gal smart/dumb "fabric containers" are waaay BIGGER than ANY plants I`ve seen sittin on "mounds" from your hero , so please don`t make blanket statements about how mounds are the way , truth , and the light , when I see a whole lot more medville growers usin above ground containers than in.....especially here.....

But that`s all you have access to , so how could you know otherwise....regardless.....

ALL my guys on the left coast outside use the mega big fabric pots and rice straw for mulch since there`s no seeds to grow weeds in the top of said containers and suck vital nutrients outta the massive feed zone ....

I will say this.....Automated feed early morning is the precursor to giant pumpkins with the right shit in said juice , organic or otherwise with OUTDOOR plants and intermittent short feeds during the day and late evening , so hey.....

Grow indoors with smaller containers and increased feeds for max O2 to the roots till end of stretch when roots cease to grow , or use bigger containers with less feed once a day for constant dialed plant needs FTW with appropriate feed/dry schedules to explode rootzone development......and.....

Since the hero opened up the "Brix levels" can of worms a while back compared to indoor croppin as being superior.......WHY......do organic indoor grows suck balls compared to proper dialed synthetic juice grows pull yield wise huh ?....I`m just sayin..........anyways....

To each his own , and I`ve got fish ta fry.......Jalapeno and creamed corn hushpuppies , with garden fresh coleslaw , and Fred`s awesome Cajun seasoned twice fried taters that`ll make yas slap Granny with homemade tartar sauce and ketchup.....

Yall come getchas some......and....

Peace.....DHF..........

 

[Mister_D]

My apologizes to the op as well, some of us vert heads love to debate I assure all that read the exchanges (at least those between bobble and myself), they are in the spirit of friendly debate. Heated at times, but friendly none the less

Just ignore us and ask any questions you might have

 

[bobblehead]

Yeah I'll pretty much hijack any thread I please.... Its happened enough to my threads. all b/c ichy thinks 7 gal pots are too big.

 

[bobblehead]

Here's a man swimming with an alligator!