(DK) AIM-9´s Vertical 128 site octagon coli style.

[Airnut]

Yea happend before, but this time was different.
A spoutet the seed 30/10-2010 and by 2011 it was spread by clones for about 200 miles on 7-8 trusted growers. Luck strike as i was bound to knock off every plant i had due to the security resons first and formost, the spidermites toke care of what i had in a small stealthy area, so i eventually lost the strain, but got i back from one of the growers.
And this is when i noticed its behavior was no where near what i was used to. It just wouldnt make roots, i made a large search and found many claims but no actual hard information/documentaton regarding the strain should go down. It also only made 3 small sativishlike fingers on the leafs, as when i had it before it made 7 fingers more indicadominant. I simply couldt figure out through 3 month what was going on until i read from DHF stating its probebly because one was not doin as done before. So i bought new light tubes and new roothormones, and a new MHbulb as the one i had was running 6000+ hours.
And voila, case solved. The cuts are back rooting in 8-9 days and growing 7 fingers.
But it toke nearly 2 month to get the order home, damn store..
Might not even be the clones that make or brake the plans, if the damn store was 2 month faster i would...

Thanks for droppin by, old trhead, but the buildup is starting to breathe, glows and makes sounds I never have heared before, but that might be due to the fly ditcing into the only hole in the tubes. It sounds like i dont know, when it silence down i will drop some disoling nutes inte the tub to take care of the body, might become nutes for my plants or how it works??

Anyway.. Its up on 21 cuts and the bigger bulb will be mountet asap.
Got a lightsetup i cant wait to show, but i need another shop to deliver a few items before showdown

 

[Airnut]

Got the 600 up.

 

[Mister_D]

Love it!

 

[GMax]

 

[GMax]

I agree with RBDF...

I know English isn't your first language so there may be a misunderstanding.. but you should be vegging them out a little to help fill in every bit of the canopy...

I know it seems like under low light that only the roots grow... but really all your doing is slowing the growth... if you had lights over top of them, they would grow more above ground... but the roots will follow also, because they have to have enough roots to support growth...

here a pic is worth a thousand words....




all these clones were taken at the same time... the difference is, after about 7 days in cloner, the ones on the left were transplanted to the veg system where they were hit with a light nute solution and had lights over top of them..so after only 14 days have passed, I have little mini monsters

the ones on the right stayed in the cloner and I just haven't got around to taking them out yet... they have no light above them and only cloning solution.. the roots are continuing to grow, but wont come close to comparing to left clones roots

...the same amount of time has passed for both...

so without even increasing your "veg" time, you can have more lush and thicker clones that will fill out the canopy in flowering better, and at the very least be more accustomed to nutes and bright light

just my 2 cents... u have an awesome setup bro !!!!

edit: I see that you say that you do use some light.. what bout nutes..?

 

[Airnut]

Im not rude or maybe i am..
Not replying directly to comments and post is a bit rude i think..
But to explain my thoughts and thinking in this language can be as said before, misunderstanding..

Im not thickheaded to not listen to good advice, its just.. Ive been there, mostly.. I now know what im hunting, i got a plan for it all down to very small details as when to shift the bulb from MH to HPS during flower.. The systems meassurements are based upon it...
I know my strain of choice, these pictures i show for the moment is just to see if they will be able to be used those strains in a later grow in this setup. Its a trail sort to speak.
Also its a learningproces for me on how the system works. I buildt it but i have never run it before and many more gadgets needs to be added, so much to do and learn, but hopes are high..

A few pics.. Call it week 1..

I am traying various sizes. Finding the spot of this strain of when it behaves like i want it to..

There is more in there but this is what i had to show for now..

 

[Airnut]

Forgot.. sorry..

In the octagon i using GHE Flora 3 parts and GHE Bioroots the first wweks time.

 

[GMax]

I meant no offense .. your sentences make perfect sense, the confusion is on my part... I was confused when u said cloning time directly to flower if u mean time in the cloner or just time prepping the plant for flower....and then also you say that it 7-10 to root and then another week to get them to start growing again.... but you say that you tend to follow a 30 day rotation.. so I was curious... mine tend to show deficiencies after only 14 days in the cloner (you can see in the pic the yellowing starting at the top of the right clones) ...

I just wanted to show u the difference it can make cause if u do use the nutes and light.. cause if you can shave time off you can increase productivity... but you could have specific reasons, I wouldn't know..


for what its worth, I have done many checkerboard patterns instead of full systems and still had success filling up the designated space.. so it should be no problem running strains that aren't really designed for that setup.... just gonna have to learn how many holes to fill


that's a good idea putting the plants in at various sizes to find that sweet spot K+

add: they look to be vegged pretty good anyways... I wouldn't know about their stretch, but if those 4 nice ones that are 2nd row up doubled in size this next week they would be about perfect

 

[mr. gt]

Much respect for the Heath style grow. I will be following. Post some more pictures.

 

[mr. gt]

Quick question. Are the rows separated enough for the buds to grow as tall as necessary and not cover the above plant?

 

[Airnut]

I use 1/4 nutes in the cloner, bt not from the start..
The first 6-7 days i use tapwater. No matter what i do, PHadjustment or add hormons aint working much, so plain water it is..
Day 6-7 or 8, depening on season, i mix in PHdown grow. My water is fairly easy to work with, i down it over 3 time in the spand of a day...
Day 9-10 - my cuts ussually shows the first roottap. I add roothormones according to scheme. 2 drops pr liter..

At day 14 i would say they are ready to transplant into most setups, but using 110 mm tubing and NFT about all the root form the steem downto the water. 4-5 cm, will dry out, and the plant tilt..


Each row is 20 cm apart. This means in short there is room for af 20 cm donkeydick, then the above or below starts to fill in budding. I cut of the lower branches so they dont grow into the next plant. If you try corner every spot out in squares the room for each plant is, 20 cm high on a aprox 10x10 cm area.

 

[GMax]

that answered everything...

I really love your system.. it seems like it should be pretty simple to maintain... but I have questions... first the water comes in at the top and then "waterslides" back to the rez, right..? also how do u get to the canopy, crawl underneath...?

you should be in for some great yields if you are already hitting .87gpw with 84 plants... now you got like 120+ AND the reflective material trapping in all that light... you should be good...


you could also probably add a screen to the system pretty easily also to help to support and train canopy which can add substantially to your yields...

 

[Airnut]

Screen is not up yet, it is planned, but this run ill just string em up if they go down..

I have to crawl under the bottom tube to get inside. If i go down in my knees i see straight into the lowest tube and I only have to bend my head to get under, so it aint difficult to get in.

Numbers are very dangerous. Specially when they predict something almost straight out of sience fiction.
But in the orange setup. The plant placed 60 cm from the bulb did manage to grow to 60 grams of wet bud. These 60 dried into rough 10 grams dry. And thats where it gets a bit wierd.. i got room for 128, all with the rough distance of 60 cm to the bulb. The old setup was using 1x600. and in this new I still do but those numbers equals very close to 2 grams pr watt when added up...

One thing i have learned is that it never ends up where you calculate it to be.
I even done more than expected, but most often its a hell of a lot lower. So can I just beat the nasty 1 gpw barrier, then and only then i belive it is possible cause I would have done it. And then the next goal can be set. The 2gpw, but in order to get there i figure i need a calculated setup that can make 4 gpw, and this is where the twillight zone begins.
Im very corious on whats up there and if its even possible..
One step at the time. One step..

 

[Mister_D]

Screen is not up yet, it is planned, but this run ill just string em up if they go down..

I have to crawl under the bottom tube to get inside. If i go down in my knees i see straight into the lowest tube and I only have to bend my head to get under, so it aint difficult to get in.

Numbers are very dangerous. Specially when they predict something almost straight out of sience fiction.
But in the orange setup. The plant placed 60 cm from the bulb did manage to grow to 60 grams of wet bud. These 60 dried into rough 10 grams dry. And thats where it gets a bit wierd.. i got room for 128, all with the rough distance of 60 cm to the bulb. The old setup was using 1x600. and in this new I still do but those numbers equals very close to 2 grams pr watt when added up...

One thing i have learned is that it never ends up where you calculate it to be.
I even done more than expected, but most often its a hell of a lot lower. So can I just beat the nasty 1 gpw barrier, then and only then i belive it is possible cause I would have done it. And then the next goal can be set. The 2gpw, but in order to get there i figure i need a calculated setup that can make 4 gpw, and this is where the twillight zone begins.
Im very corious on whats up there and if its even possible..
One step at the time. One step..

I like your thought process here, reminds me of......... well, me

 

[DHF]

Plant numbers dictate yield......period....that is once monocropped and dialed with the right age plant to fill in a "perfect" sideways canopy by end of stretch.......

Just do it AN.....Got faith in yas my buddy , but....it`s definitely a trial and error thing till yas find the sweet spot for all the plant sites even if yas haveta hack out the lower laterals ta keep em from growin into and choking out each plant on both sides of em......now.....

Twilight Zone predictions or not , guaranteed your shit AIN`T` science fiction , but rather science fact not yet reached....bet on it....

Got growbro`s in SoCal that run crazy ass numbers with flood and drain tables and do 4 lbs per each 4 x 4 table with a 1KW over em EVERY run , and have done so for many many yrs , but they run a rooted cut biz and supply the clubs , so many factors come into play when doin high plant number setups.......

I like the idea of yas tryin out different "size/age" cuts to see what they do by end of stretch for the sideways canopy so as to pick the right size/age to flip......and hey.....

First time Heath ran 2-600`s side by side with plants 12/12 from seed for a breeding project and pheno selection , he put a total of 87 seedplants and rooted cuts to fill in said sideways canopy , and pulled a lil over 4 lbs his very first Harvey , so bottom line.....

Sky`s the limit with bare bulbs hangin and increased plant numbers guaranteed , butchas gotta manage your rooted cut game with a vengeance to be consistent......anyways.....

Gladta see yas back around , and hope all`s well in your world.....Keep us updated , and as said earlier......expect less , but hope for more......and then be pleasantly surprised when the final numbers start growin and comin in run after run........

Good luck....DHF..........

 

[Airnut]

Mister D.. Thank god.. Thought i was alone, nice to hear from others alike

Plant numbers dictate yield......period....that is once monocropped and dialed with the right age plant to fill in a "perfect" sideways canopy by end of stretch.......

Just do it AN.....Got faith in yas my buddy , but....it`s definitely a trial and error thing till yas find the sweet spot for all the plant sites even if yas haveta hack out the lower laterals ta keep em from growin into and choking out each plant on both sides of em......now.....

Twilight Zone predictions or not , guaranteed your shit AIN`T` science fiction , but rather science fact not yet reached....bet on it....

First line in your quote is the main reason i build this setup.
I had the 84 plant tubesquare on a few runs but was not satisfied on the numbers, the cornerplants did not get enough light, spacing in between tubes and a lot others.
Once build i made the calculations, and got a bit shaken in my belief that it is possible. So i take your words to me as faith and keep going towards the tzone, never been there so it is very exiting


A few pics.. I know from earlier trials people are getting thoughts on how much rootspace there is in the pipes..
A lot.. These are 75 mm PP pipes. I´ll shoot another once the streetch is over

Temp is pretty high atm. running 23 C (max 24C to avoid the pyth (been there))
I use a silvershield timer to make minuteintervals in the flow, this makes more fishbones than this constant flowing water and allows more air directly to the roots..

And a doubleheaded, got the space for it so..
But this is forbidden once completly filled..

In a few days there will be leca in the cups. Save the neoprendisc for recycling..

 

[DHF]

That`s why Heath built his tubes in circles so there WERE no dead corners , and I angled my corners with no plants but rather all environmental equipment so all end plants got proper lumen penetration/plant absorption with light bouncing back from the angled corners covered in reflectix at BOTH sides of each of the 4 walls.....

Keep dialiin Bro.....DHF...........

 

[Airnut]

Then it must be good to cover all 8 sides in some reflective thin aluminum. Whatever is good enough for the hubble space telescopes mirror to reflect light, is good enough for me too. lol..

Im dialiin.. But got a wrong number on the black domina, she is way too streetchy for my setup..
This is the twinheaded.. somewhere..

Then it is going better for the strain i build this setup for...
I havent done it, but if many more cuts have been in by this strain, I would have prunned the bottom 2-4 branches, creating a single cola and more room for the plant below to grow up without cover the above... give or take a few inches, but i dont mind buds are covering buds, as long it aint leafs coveringbuds..

I also have the OG Kushin. She is a semistrain, more possible to grow.

What i thonk would pay me the best off is to ditch the black domina and replace her with around 30ish cuts of the more suitet strain i have. Sensi Star x Skunk no 1 was createt by HFH but is not available anymore to my knowlegde but thats it and she is way more suitet. I loose the blacks and compromise the one dedicatet i have + them, 4 OG kush i planned to try run to the end, ill update about the OG later on.. The 25-30ish cuts, have just begun showing roots, so the blacks goes out in a few days.

I also have put in a few critical kush. Been testing 3 phenotypes and i found two failled the requirements i have, but on was curious..
These will follow the others new within a week or so, not that odd from any else so if it fits it goes on, if not it goes out.. They can be seen on the top of pic 2

Stay tuned.. The next going in will be ready in 60-70 days, then I should be ready to try a nearly full drum monocropped sensi star x skunk 1.
Hopefully within this year..

 

[GMax]

wow that black domina really exploded!! she looks like she would be hard to tame...maybe you can use her, but not fill as many sites to make up for the stretch, and be able to fill your canopy with less plants ?

whatever u do, monocrop FTW..


keep it up... loving the setup

 

[Airnut]

Yup aint many strains that dont explode in a NFT pipe.
Tried it before a few times now. This Black Domina but also 2 of the 3 critical kush i have atm. Aurora Indica. Aurora borealis. One unknown i tried thats also was a pretty pure indica. California indica and a hybrid of C99x(Guerilla gold#2/White widow), the numbnut who gave it too me did not have marked his plants so he gave me the wrong one. But then we know huh??

But along the testings I found a nice set of genes of Blue Streak. Its a full auto and do not get much bigger than rough 30 cm, if grown under MH all the way. This strain im about to feminize by the collodial silver methode, got some pollen already and just sproutet more to find some female seedcarriers, so maybe next year il try and grow a femi auto in the setup. Just for fun and cause it might possible to do it..

So until now i actully only have 2 strains i know is good to go for ll 128 sites. The auto im going to make, and the strain i build the setup for..

And then there is the semigood ones, just found one, sort to speak..
The OG kush.
Just a little video of a zoom to the flower..
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She is alomst growing exactly 2x to long for my setup, I have room for 128 in it, so it should be able to grow half as many of her in that setup. Onlt time will tell..

But 64 of this baby, prunned from its branches should not be a ugly site to look at.. lol.. Standing 54 cm tall with a maincola of rough 35 cm, rougly the height of 2 floors in the setup, she is coming out a curious strecht fitting my setup at some point.
Ill try and let her sit, ill prune the lower branches inside the setup - i think..
The OG Kush

Oh, got to follow the trend.

And as always, thanks for watcing