FEED OR FLUSH IN THE LAST 2 WEEKS?

[Storm Shadow]

Feed....nothing....Water.....Nothing.....Feed....Nothing...Water... DTW Soilless

That's the 7 day schedule for feeding each week...all the way up to Harvest...I just smoked an OG nug dried overnight on some Ballasts fed 3000+ PPMS.... Shit taste like Pure OG Fuel

So do Tobacco growers flush their crops? Multi Billion Dollar companies with 1000's of Peer reviewed Journals all must be wrong...

You can have a PHD in Bro Science...it still doesn't change the FACTS ...

 

[Storm Shadow]

BTW ...all of you claiming to get sparks from smoking your herb....

Its from the Chlorine in your water ....stop using tap

 

[teemu shalanie]

yah I run str8 H20 for 7-10 days in hydro < I personally like to see things yellow, let ya know nutes gettin used up , get a nice clean burner

TS

 

[DHF]

Feed....nothing....Water.....Nothing.....Feed....Nothing...Water... DTW Soilless

That's the 7 day schedule for feeding each week...all the way up to Harvest...I just smoked an OG nug dried overnight on some Ballasts fed 3000+ PPMS.... Shit taste like Pure OG Fuel

So do Tobacco growers flush their crops? Multi Billion Dollar companies with 1000's of Peer reviewed Journals all must be wrong...

You can have a PHD in Bro Science...it still doesn't change the FACTS ...

PHD in Bro Science has not a damn thing to do with what`s left in your nugs come time ta smoke em after proper dry and cure Dewd....

Do us ALL a favor IF you`re in Med-ville and spend a few bucks to TEST your shit , cuz I assure you ALL reputable clubs will have your shit tested for residual nutrient concentrations before they`ll buy and turn around and retail it......

Storm Shadow.....I refuse to smoke your dope , and chorine has nothing to do with the snap , crackle , pop of over juiced nugs I assure you , and....

You`re the exception to the rule..WHY are your nugs different from ours that`ve had ppm`s dwindled down to literally NO ppms after proper dry and cure.....

Some people.....Sheesh.....Proof`s in da pudding , and EVERYTHING you quote goes against EVERYTHING learned and passed on over well over 20 yrs of knowledge gained and shared on all the weedsites by us old heads that did this for optimum results and the end consumer.......

Peace....DHF..........

 

[Storm Shadow]

Proper Ratios DHF... My homie Spurr has checked you already so many times and put you in your place...so in his classic style..I will just leave you with the facts and proper ratios to feed with ...

 

[DHF]

Spurr was/is an intelligent mofo that taught me on another forum long ago why Krusty`s preachin bout elevated RH levels being the way , truth , and light was actually the "VPD" thingy I live with 24/7/365 down here in Hell , and.......for the record....

He`s NEVER checked me OR corrected me EVER , but rather complimented my findings first hand instead of the "written word" , and hey....Holler at him and let him come back and correct my shit.....

I assure you those feed schedules mean not a damn thing as far as dope cultivars from myself and many many other old heads that have derived over the yrs as fact instead of theory based on food crop production...anyways....as stated above.....

Folks will do what they will , and swear by it instead of testing it , so again SS.....You keep doin what you do , but don`t shove it down folks throats as absolutes without side by sides that`ve been done repeatedly over the yrs at the med sites , and even here if yas can find em.......and again.....please......

2800-3000 ppm`s FTW ?................

Peace....DHF..........

 

[BaBaBlooM]

ok...that was a bit much.. but I think I will leach for 3 days and properly dry for 6 days..
also decrease the N for the rest of this week and see how she responds....forg0t o mention in my last post I also have a white fire OG in 5 1/2 weeks started the same time as the GC...and she is a late Bloomer I see not to mention THIRSTY...3100ppm and no sign of stopping...being a new booty I think that a lot of nutes..but im just a COOK...lol...
just know GC is at 2500-3000ppm and flowers are responding like crazy using botanicare mostly but is a mix of nutes.. oh shit im rambling hahahaha didn't know you can ramble and type... blame it on the YUMBOLT...lol... oh how log till I can post a pic...this is ridiculous...

 

[MileHighGuy]

@DHF

Since you are referencing something that is CLEARLY a myth to anyone outside of the cannabis industry....

How about you bare the burden of proof?

If I had cancer or anything majorly wrong I wouldn't touch synthetically grown cannabis... flushed or not. Hell I'm healthy and I won't touch that shit. (I know I know personal opinion)

But how about this.

Find me ONE fucking company that will test for residual Nutrient concentrations in the Bud itself and not the leaf. Then Send your Bud in, and I'll send mine.

Or better yet!!

Find me ONE fucking lab test showing ANYTHING about higher than normal concentrations of nutrients in the buds.

Oh wait. You won't find one.

Or how about this!!!! What are the NORMAL and acceptable amounts of residual Nutrient concentrations? What does that even mean?

Interesting that you make a straw man argument, and recommend us naysayers to perform a test that isn't available or possible because of how bullshit the whole myth is.

FYI - You can't shove nutrients up a plants ass. You can raise that PPM to a billion all you will do is kill the plant, you won't succeed in getting any sort of excess nutrient INTO the cell walls of the plant....

Guys. There is no fucking straw connected to the mythological plants ass.

Edit: Smoked a bowl and settled down. I'd really like to talk about this, and I'll try not to get personal or cuss so much..... but hey, we all care about this plant and it's future

 

[DHF]

@DHF

Since you are referencing something that is CLEARLY a myth to anyone outside of the cannabis industry....

How about you bare the burden of proof?

If I had cancer or anything majorly wrong I wouldn't touch synthetically grown cannabis... flushed or not. Hell I'm healthy and I won't touch that shit. (I know I know personal opinion)

But how about this.

Find me ONE fucking company that will test for residual Nutrient concentrations in the Bud itself and not the leaf. Then Send your Bud in, and I'll send mine.

Or better yet!!

Find me ONE fucking lab test showing ANYTHING about higher than normal concentrations of nutrients in the buds.

Oh wait. You won't find one.

Or how about this!!!! What are the NORMAL and acceptable amounts of residual Nutrient concentrations? What does that even mean?

Interesting that you make a straw man argument, and recommend us naysayers to perform a test that isn't available or possible because of how bullshit the whole myth is.

FYI - You can't shove nutrients up a plants ass. You can raise that PPM to a billion all you will do is kill the plant, you won't succeed in getting any sort of excess nutrient INTO the cell walls of the plant....

Guys. There is no fucking straw connected to the mythological plants ass.

Edit: Smoked a bowl and settled down. I'd really like to talk about this, and I'll try not to get personal or cuss so much..... but hey, we all care about this plant and it's future

Glad yas took yer meds and calmed down MHG.....now....

You`re exactly right about no "laboratory" tests for residual nutrient concentrations in dope cultivars , and I apologize for the vagueness of that post , but.......

I assure you that all my guys that supply the bigger clubs up and down the left coast go through stringent inspection/testing from all the in-house resident guru "pot snobs" employed by the clubs to insure they`re getting topshelf shit so they can retail it for top dollar....and.....

They look for foxtailing and immature pistils on the finished product , and SWEAR they can "taste" residual N , as well as looking for burnt tips/discoloration where sugar leaves were trimmed , and then....chlorophyll degradation indicating a proper slow dry and cure....and finally......

I mean no disrespect toward what works for ANYONE as long as they`re happy with their end result , but....the longer you do this shit , the more you`ll learn how NOTHING is written in stone , and being 1 sided without ever having considered other tried and true methods is in my book closed minded , so again......

To each his own , but I assure all here that by flushing/starving the plants yields will suffer , but finished product will be well accepted.......

NOT flushing and dwindling ppms down slowly last 10-14 days by toppin off with R/O till said ppms are in the lower ranges to replicate tapwater and the plants have "cannibalized" themselves of residual nutrients while killing chlorophyll as well BEFORE chop , is the best product I ever produced consistently as a result of learning and dialing EVERY aspect of my production from cut to nug in a jug over many many yrs AND yields were up there consistently ........anyways.....

Just tryin ta help guys.....MHG...You say there`s no "proverbial" straw up a plants ass ?.....When environment and proper watts per sq ft are dialed and the plants are in pulse mode , I assure you the hollow insides of bigass pot plant stems are indeed "straws" that suck juice and do all that scientific chemical conversion shit with carbs , sugars , and photosynthesis stuff......

Witnessed it too much for too long NOT to be able to state categorically thatchas can INDEED shove ppms up a plant`s ass.....regardless.....

I`m not a botanist......I just grew the shit long long time.....inside and out.....so.....

My 2 cents from all those yrs.....

Peace....DHF...........

 

[LyryC]

Since I can't make up my mind.

I will be feeding till end of week 7 lowering ppms by 200 points give or take - every day. till week 8 - then I'm staying at 300ppms until the last two days.

Using Final Phase from Advanced to clean the coco - and using water to feed those last two days.

any plant that doesn't look ready will get more 300 ppms till they are " ready" and after I chop I'll flush the medium.

I plan on doing a side by side flush vs no flush on identical clones/medium/feed/everything. Next run tho - I don't have identical anything right now

 

[MileHighGuy]

Glad yas took yer meds and calmed down MHG.....now....

You`re exactly right about no "laboratory" tests for residual nutrient concentrations in dope cultivars , and I apologize for the vagueness of that post , but.......

I assure you that all my guys that supply the bigger clubs up and down the left coast go through stringent inspection/testing from all the in-house resident guru "pot snobs" employed by the clubs to insure they`re getting topshelf shit so they can retail it for top dollar....and.....

They look for foxtailing and immature pistils on the finished product , and SWEAR they can "taste" residual N , as well as looking for burnt tips/discoloration where sugar leaves were trimmed , and then....chlorophyll degradation indicating a proper slow dry and cure....and finally......

I mean no disrespect toward what works for ANYONE as long as they`re happy with their end result , but....the longer you do this shit , the more you`ll learn how NOTHING is written in stone , and being 1 sided without ever having considered other tried and true methods is in my book closed minded , so again......

To each his own , but I assure all here that by flushing/starving the plants yields will suffer , but finished product will be well accepted.......

NOT flushing and dwindling ppms down slowly last 10-14 days by toppin off with R/O till said ppms are in the lower ranges to replicate tapwater and the plants have "cannibalized" themselves of residual nutrients while killing chlorophyll as well BEFORE chop , is the best product I ever produced consistently as a result of learning and dialing EVERY aspect of my production from cut to nug in a jug over many many yrs AND yields were up there consistently ........anyways.....

Just tryin ta help guys.....MHG...You say there`s no "proverbial" straw up a plants ass ?.....When environment and proper watts per sq ft are dialed and the plants are in pulse mode , I assure you the hollow insides of bigass pot plant stems are indeed "straws" that suck juice and do all that scientific chemical conversion shit with carbs , sugars , and photosynthesis stuff......

Witnessed it too much for too long NOT to be able to state categorically thatchas can INDEED shove ppms up a plant`s ass.....regardless.....

I`m not a botanist......I just grew the shit long long time.....inside and out.....so.....

My 2 cents from all those yrs.....

Peace....DHF...........

Testing huh.... sounds like an inside group making up their own rules based on bro science.

The Hollow stem is just where the pith would be.... this is NOT a damn straw.

Here are some basics about nutrient uptake.

Read about the phloem on wiki below

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phloem

 

[MileHighGuy]

all that scientific chemical conversion shit with carbs , sugars , and photosynthesis stuff

I think this is where our disagreements will stem from

 

[DHF]

I think this is where our disagreements will stem from

Think what you will MHG , I`ve tried to be diplomatic , and I assure you our disagreements won`t stem from me not being scientifically knowledgeable enough for your satisfaction , but.....again......

Your Bro Science bullshit get`s no response as to being pertinent concerning what proper care is as in late swellage , chop , dry , trim , and cure are concerned before product makes it to market , but I digress....

Keep shoving shit up your plants asses as long as you`re happy.......Xylem/phloem/cambium layer and ALL that shit that don`t mean DICK to a grower , but makes you smile ......ALL we ever cared about was return on investment.......

The where`s and the why`s never crossed my mind while payin the bills.........

Peace....DHF.........

 

[LyryC]

Think what you will MHG , I`ve tried to be diplomatic , and I assure you our disagreements won`t stem from me not being scientifically knowledgeable enough for your satisfaction , but.....again......

Your Bro Science bullshit get`s no response as to being pertinent concerning what proper care is as in late swellage , chop , dry , trim , and cure are concerned before product makes it to market , but I digress....

Keep shoving shit up your plants asses as long as you`re happy.......Xylem/phloem/cambium layer and ALL that shit that don`t mean DICK to a grower , but makes you smile ......ALL we ever cared about was return on investment.......

The where`s and the why`s never crossed my mind while payin the bills.........

Peace....DHF.........

Bad Attitude - Rude - Not helping the community and MHG is bringing science to the table.

"Xylem/phloem/cambium layer and ALL that shit that don`t mean DICK to a grower , but makes you smile"

Please don't explain yourself on this one - the fundamentals of plant life in general and of cannabis do not mean dick to anyone except you. This is your terrible, egotistic and extremely upside down opinion.

If you are making play - please stop - this is an important topic in the cannabis community and you are being silly to be polite and making a good thread bad.

I'm also baffled you are a moderator and talking the way you are... Bro science? Lol excuse me sir but you are the one with the "bro science".

Nothing personal - purely business bro - as is your perspective - so how about we share some bowls - collaborate and work out a compromise or at least a good grasp of both worlds.

Instead of bickering and mongering back and forth like school children - lets share some love and knowledge and help the community as well as ourselves.

 

[DHF]

Bad Attitude - Rude - Not helping the community and MHG is bringing science to the table.

"Xylem/phloem/cambium layer and ALL that shit that don`t mean DICK to a grower , but makes you smile"

Please don't explain yourself on this one - the fundamentals of plant life in general and of cannabis do not mean dick to anyone except you. This is your terrible, egotistic and extremely upside down opinion.

If you are making play - please stop - this is an important topic in the cannabis community and you are being silly to be polite and making a good thread bad.

I'm also baffled you are a moderator and talking the way you are... Bro science? Lol excuse me sir but you are the one with the "bro science".

Nothing personal - purely business bro - as is your perspective - so how about we share some bowls - collaborate and work out a compromise or at least a good grasp of both worlds.

Instead of bickering and mongering back and forth like school children - lets share some love and knowledge and help the community as well as ourselves.

I have no clue where this came from since I made my findings and experience clear.............What`s your point.....Do you not see that excessive ppms build up in the end product without knowledge on howta leach it out during late flower , chop , proper dry and cure ?........

Please....Folks....come back with viable questions/arguments with substance so shit can be discussed without a "he said , she said" mentality..........

Bro Science has nothing to do with plant dialage.........

Peace...DHF..........

 

[MileHighGuy]

Do you not see that excessive ppms build up in the end product without knowledge on howta leach it out during late flower

PPMS in your water or build up in the plant? I'm not sure what you mean.

How do I leach out my soil in the last 2 weeks, considering I use water only the whole time?

I may have been rude, but with a mentor badge you are supposed to be held to a higher standard. You cannot simply disregard science because you are able to pay your bills with a product that sells itself.

We agree on a few points:

1. Nitrogen will effect taste and flowering times.
2. Dark Green is less desirable than light green, yellow, purple etc when harvesting.
3. Cloryphyll degredation is a good thing and should continue into curing. (1 month cure is longer than anyone I know that hustles.)

What we may or may not be arguing about:

1. Senescence is natural and does not require an absence of nutrients for it to occur. For instance. My plants will yellow naturally depending on strain regardless of the availability of nutrients in my soil. I know this because I can harvest a plant and then transplant a clone right back into the exact same soil in the same container and continue with water only again for another complete cycle.

2. Salts or Nutrients Cannot be physically extracted out of the plant by running water over the roots.

Anyways, I always thought it was a bit presumptuous to assume I could predict the best day to harvest two weeks in advance. Especially when I'm perpetual and run multiple strains.

I can tell neither of us are going to change our ways, but I hope to give some new ideas to the rookies and and the pros that will land here surfing the forums.

Fortunately for me, my return on investment isn't related to my nutrient usage so I don't need to guess, I'll just let the plants decide when to eat and what they want.

After a little money well spent, i'm set! I have all the nutrients I can handle, the worm bin is up and running and I'm growing all the plants I need to make my own compost and nutrient teas forever.

I could easily grow without buying another nutrient ever again... that is a cool fucking feeling.

Even though I never have to buy nutrients, I'm certainly not going to try and remove them from my soil by flushing them out it just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Hammerhead]

why are you guys arguing about this. You do it your way the rest of us will do it the right way lol.. Everyone I know can tell if the finished product was flushed or not.

maybe you you just can't tell.. Thats not your fault.. I have done all the testing I need to dry wet. I made up my mind doing the tests myself.

I decided what I liked better. There's no myth here. 100's if not thousands of growers also decided what they like better.

You guys are getting way to worked up. Its not that big a deal. the most important thing is what you like not what everyone else likes or does.


You can start the senescence process faster by leaching. Im not trying to get the salts out of the plant when I leach I want it out of the Soil so the plants will start that process by using there reserves. I have had numerous plants not yellow when it was time to harvest. If I was to wait for that to happen it would be way past peak harvest time's.. I dont do this because someone told me to so it. I learned and tested many varieties of cannabis with a leaching and without. Everyone I know likes the leached product better. Thats not telling them with is which they could tell.


The amount of nutrients left in the soil 2 weeks before harvest is more then enough to keep them healthy without giving them anymore. Even if you dont like to flush/leaching no need to waste the food they will never use. you dont need to believe me I know you dont thats OK. If I had diferant results when I did my test I would not be leaching.

Anyway I hope everyone gets what they are after whether you flush or not. Enjoy the fruits of your labor thats all that matters ..

Peace
HH

 

[MileHighGuy]

why are you guys arguing about this. You do it your way the rest of us will do it the right way lol.. Everyone I know can tell if the finished product was flushed or not.

maybe you you just can't tell.. Thats not your fault.. I have done all the testing I need to dry wet. I made up my mind doing the tests myself.

I decided what I liked better. There's no myth here. 100's if not thousands of growers also decided what they like better.

You guys are getting way to worked up. Its not that big a deal. the most important thing is what you like not what everyone else likes or does.


You can start the senescence process faster by leaching. Im not trying to get the salts out of the plant when I leach I want it out of the Soil so the plants will start that process by using there reserves. I have had numerous plants not yellow when it was time to harvest. If I was to wait for that to happen it would be way past peak harvest time's.. I dont do this because someone told me to so it. I learned and tested many varieties of cannabis with a leaching and without. Everyone I know likes the leached product better. Thats not telling them with is which they could tell.


The amount of nutrients left in the soil 2 weeks before harvest is more then enough to keep them healthy without giving them anymore. Even if you dont like to flush/leaching no need to waste the food they will never use. you dont need to believe me I know you dont thats OK. If I had diferant results when I did my test I would not be leaching.

Anyway I hope everyone gets what they are after whether you flush or not. Enjoy the fruits of your labor thats all that matters ..

Peace
HH

Great post! Most just say they are flushing to remove the excess nutrients from the plant because of the nutrient build up.... I still don't get it. But to hasten the onset of senescence, that makes sense.

I water the whole way and have found that non composted raw organic matter high in nitrogen will delay my flowering. Other than that, I guess you could say I flush from day 1. No nutrients bottles ever.


We already agree on taste, You call it flushed, I call it finished.

What we disagree on is that your plants require a flush or they will miss a peak window of harvest.

I run hard and workout hard 6 days a week like clockwork. I am very in tune with my lungs. When I smoked synthetic grown and flushed I always had itchy throat and it would really effect my running.

Since switching to organics and no flush I can smoke 3 foot bong rips back to back and then go run 5 miles hard without any lung issues.

Everyone should grow how they see it to work best for them, but I believe that new growers flush because they are told to, not because it is an obvious choice they have to make.



In a water only soil regimen, how should I flush.

When someone says, how long do you flush for, I don't even know what to say?

 

[ayatayo]

Hi there MHGuy...lot of valuable informations in your 2 last posts...I really like your growing aproach...

 

[LyryC]

New Perspective

New Perspective

After compiling information I have devised my personal plan to finish the plants in my garden.

I am going to flush the medium and then feed un ph'd tap water from 7-14 days - depending on strain.

I will have one plant getting no flush.

Reason to "flush": Coco. I run hydroponics - synthetics(advanced nutrients) and its a whole nother world compared to MileHigh's Soil.

I learned flushing is 100% medium related. Flushing is and should not be associated with harvesting cannabis specifically. And that we fuck with nature way too much.

great thread