organics are slower?

[unthing]

i've never done hydro, have nothing against it, but if i do soil i find recycling or no till sound kinda neat for lazy person, no deeper reason for that, i think it can be done without need for deep understanding of microbiology and chemistry.

i just chopped plants that had faded but clover underneath was green, did they suck the nitrogen or was it senescence, can't say, just something i noticed.

 

[DARC MIND]

agree with yea ther VG
i think many feel the same "more harm than good"with the certified standards of organic as well..

The search for environmental ethics, in the conventional modern sense, seems wrong-headed and fruitless … [Some] think“environmental ethics can be as tough, practical, rational and secular as prevailing Western ethics.” I find this neither desirable nor necessary, and perhaps not possible. …

The search … is not for environmental ethics but for ecological consciousness.

The attempt to solve these ecophilosophical problems on purely logical or conceptual grounds is to fail to realize that this approach is itself part of the old paradigm which needs to be replaced

— George Sessions


Defining organic gardening
by Caroline Brown

Garden Organic (HDRA_Henry Doubleday Research Association), is a non-profit membership organization dedicated to researching and promoting organic gardening in addition to organic farming and food.

they have this HDRA organic guidelines that i think every organic gardener should have,though the guidelines are more targeted to gardening as whole & have no legal bearing; they are a good way to judge the “organic-ness” of your own gardening methods.

heres the PDF
http://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/pdfs...lines-2010.pdf

HDRA developed its guidelines following standards set by the the British Organic movement, the UK government, and the EU.

 

[danthestonerman]

Thanks for blowing this thread to garbage. So far off topic its unbelievable. Questions I asked were of why my grow could take longer. Not help me break down organics to a pissing mat h of whos more organic. Who the fuck cares. I will take my few decent responces and run out of this drama filled forum with almost more waisted time than knowledge. Thanks to those who stayed on topic and actually helped out.

 

[NorC@liGrower]

Thanks for blowing this thread to garbage. So far off topic its unbelievable. Questions I asked were of why my grow could take longer. Not help me break down organics to a pissing mat h of whos more organic. Who the fuck cares. I will take my few decent responces and run out of this drama filled forum with almost more waisted time than knowledge. Thanks to those who stayed on topic and actually helped out.

I've grown indoor chem hydro to outdoor organic and everything in between (like organic based stuff). Organics done 'right' IME is like 'set it and forget it'. If you build your soil right it's almost like 'just add water'. Hydro (chems) gives you total control of nutrient inputs as the operator. With organics you let the microlife and natural plant life cycle do it's thing and no need to meddle. I grew one strain over a few year period in a variety of environments and using different nute programs. I didn't notice that organics was slower regarding finish time to produce mature flowers.

 

[BurnOne]

Thanks for blowing this thread to garbage. So far off topic its unbelievable. Questions I asked were of why my grow could take longer. Not help me break down organics to a pissing mat h of whos more organic. Who the fuck cares. I will take my few decent responces and run out of this drama filled forum with almost more waisted time than knowledge. Thanks to those who stayed on topic and actually helped out.

Danthestonerman, I apologize.
I, as a Moderator am responsible.

This is the last straw!
I've had enough of thread hijacking, backbiting and egos.
From now on, if it's off topic, it's deleted.
We've had enough drama in this forum.
If you violate the Terms of Use, you'll be banned.
If you don't like the rules here, leave.
Burn1

 

[StonedCutter]

Dantheman... I run a very similar set up as you and I too have noticed that the dry amendment/organic "hot soil" does seem to take about a week longer to finish out. The final product is great in both quality and yield but I do think the plant naturally takes longer to finish with a more natural feeding system. I personally might just be letting it go a week longer because the fade is much more drastic with the organics, so I feel obligated to see it through, IDK. But it could also be that if you follow a nutrient schedule and the plant's available nutrients are always supplied by the grower, maybe the plant adjusts and finishes based on the artificial life cycle that you have induced with the synthethic nutrient regime.. Just a thought.
Im sure your goal in posting this thread was to see if anyone could chime in with a tip to speed up your process but sadly, I have not been able to find a way to speed up the life cycle with the organic soil. This round I cut out compost tea at week four, so maybe this will knock some time off and induce a fade quicker. I still have 2-3 weeks until harvest based on past experience with this strain. I am open to trying well thought out suggestions if anyone has one...

 

[NorC@liGrower]

But it could also be that if you follow a nutrient schedule and the plant's available nutrients are always supplied by the grower, maybe the plant adjusts and finishes based on the artificial life cycle that you have induced with the synthethic nutrient regime.. Just a thought.

I think that's basically it and kind of what I said/alluded to in my previous post. Chems/synthetics/whatever you want to call them can be completely manipulated because you are controlling the nutrient solution at any given second. That does not take into consideration though any nutrients that get stored up in the medium. I've used rockwool and interesting how many reservoir changes with pure water it took to get the solution pretty much back to what's in the water I used (PPM's).

To me though a mature plant has to do with trichome color and not how the plant looks. Don't know if that's part of some thinking here.

 

[bajangreen]

If normal farming is slower, I would say its slower by about a week, but a plant could be slower by a week just because its planted some where that gets an hour more shade, I think indoors is the only place the difference in finishing times would be noticeable. Outdoors the resistance to external forces provided by normal (organic) farming far out weigh any perceived speed up in harvest time. In fact I think the total time spent caring for an organic outdoor grow is half that of a chem for same yeaild, plus you can pull an organic grow at anytime where you have to wait till after the chems are flush or risk nasty buds, another plus for the outdoor grower eg, a big storm coming and your 10 days from harvest.

 

[scai]

i've never done hydro, have nothing against it, but if i do soil i find recycling or no till sound kinda neat for lazy person, no deeper reason for that, i think it can be done without need for deep understanding of microbiology and chemistry.

i just chopped plants that had faded but clover underneath was green, did they suck the nitrogen or was it senescence, can't say, just something i noticed.

Clover is a plant that produces nitrogen....

I don't think organigs are for lazy persons.Organics include much work.
If you need to do wormafarm, compost, bokashi, bokashi bran, teas, EM, freeze garlic, chop nettles and so on...

Without deeper knowledge, well, I don't agree.
You need to know what kills your mikrobes, what kills mykorriza, what not to mix together.When something is beneficial and what is not.
You need to know the basics for sure and a bit more from forums comes handy...

I wouldn't recommend this for lazy person.
But it is true, that when you get everything right, you don't need to worry about pest, deficiences and diseases...

 

[unthing]

scai, you have points, but let's continue that in another thread or in the subforum.

 

[ozzieAI]

organics arent slower as long as your soil is good

this....

 

[Dkgrower]

Use Fermented plants extracts and a medium that dont hold the nutrients to long.

I use a very sandy soil that have been improved with some clay and peat but will not add anything els that Fermented plants extracts..

Some off my strains is faster and better in my organic regime while some ditten like the change, the lonestar cut loves orgainc but the old powerplant cut hates it ==)

If i keep N to low yeild will suffer and the buds are also less mature at the same time compared to those that have a good green color..

I know this is a very different approach than compost tees and rols ect, but this method is very practical and easy to scale up

 

[StonedCutter]

So it appears that cutting the compost tea at week 4 did speed up the cycle. I just cut down a strain that usually goes 11-12 weeks at day 69. We will see how yield compares in a few days...

 

[bigshrimp]

It seems fairly easy to speed up veg using alfalfa extract, Sst, and fulvic acid.

Idk if speeding up flower would be beneficial if you could....