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what is a good root enchancer nutreint brand to use?
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^ alot more roots
I still though, am un-convinced more roots equal more growth.. and it's going to be hard for me to explain my ideas ( I'm horrible at analogies.. haha ) if you grew another arm, could you run faster?
see, roots do uptake, yes, but who said more roots equals more growth ever? can I have another try at it? if you were in a room with 200 PPM Co2, would you work better in a room with 150 PPM ?
see, all the product does is stimulate root production, who said it ever increased growth? this is on my to do list, to test root stimulants, but more important, to compare growth from non treated water vs. treated water.
how do we know the uptake ability of a single root? maybe more equals a spread out share, while maybe fewer roots can "work harder" bringing in just as much...
maybe I'm just crazy for thinking this.
I had a 600 page book just on roots.. didn't read it though... HAHA
I just am weary of additives. as there more to make with them then bases. all I know is you can grow a plant with just base nutes, but you can't grow a plant with just additives.
I still though, am un-convinced more roots equal more growth.. and it's going to be hard for me to explain my ideas ( I'm horrible at analogies.. haha ) if you grew another arm, could you run faster?
see, roots do uptake, yes, but who said more roots equals more growth ever? can I have another try at it? if you were in a room with 200 PPM Co2, would you work better in a room with 150 PPM ?
see, all the product does is stimulate root production, who said it ever increased growth? this is on my to do list, to test root stimulants, but more important, to compare growth from non treated water vs. treated water.
how do we know the uptake ability of a single root? maybe more equals a spread out share, while maybe fewer roots can "work harder" bringing in just as much...
maybe I'm just crazy for thinking this.
I had a 600 page book just on roots.. didn't read it though... HAHA
I just am weary of additives. as there more to make with them then bases. all I know is you can grow a plant with just base nutes, but you can't grow a plant with just additives.
NIMMAJEKAJ
New member
Well if you grew an extra arm, NO you would not run faster, but if you grew an extra LEG, because we're talking ROOTS here, ya you very well could run faster...
Sadly when you say "who said more roots equals more growth ever"
OMG, EVERYONE WHICH HAS GROWN MORE THAN 1-2 PLANTS... lol
Do you think the plants' container size plays a role in the size of the plants in the end??
Because it's been proven time and time again, larger container equals larger plants...
WHY IS THAT????
Do the plants just want a bigger bed??
Quick 30sec search on the subject...
http://www.cannabis.info/USA/library/6551-more-roots--more-fruits/
The first 30 days from seed, I'm personally trying to get the plants to grow a larger root system...
With that being said, I've used just about ALL the root enhancers...
H&G's Roots Excelurator is the best on the market, bar NONE...
GH's RapidStart comes in second...
If money is not an option, then the best is a combination of Roots Excelurator, Voodoo Juice, any B1 (like B-52, Superthrive, Organic B1, etc. etc.) and I'll sometimes add in either Orca or Great White...
I've personally seen the difference, once I ran out of my root enhancers once, and did not have money for it, grew out 6 clones, bagged just under 36 Oz, and then VERY NEXT ROUND, clones from the same mother, in the same containers, but with my root building system, I bagged just under 42 Oz dry & cured....
Then the size of the plants and colas themselves were like night and day....
No disrespect meant, but to say larger roots do not create larger plants is just silly IMPHO.....
That's it.
Rhizotonic is wonderful, but expensive and no too much concentrated 1:250
I have been using the B'Cuzz root stimulator (Wortel) lately with pretty good results, I even made a little experiment in order to compare the effects in the root system of a mineral root stimulator (B'Cuzz Wortel), a bacterium called Azozpirillum Brasilence and a mix of Thricoderma and Mycorrhizal in three different plants of Angola. And the root system grow was explosive with the mineral root stimulator but then the roots treated with a. brasilence showed a whity and healthy mass that really impressed me, and right now the experiment is at this point.
Well, as I said, the mineral root stimulator of B'Cuzz is amazing, and very concentrated also 1:1000 but still a bit expensive, I mean around €40 1 l. bottle, like almost all the mineral root stimulators of famous brands.
But I have a lot of flowers and different plants and crops in my garden, so right now I'm using the Root Fast stimulator from ATA (the same company who produces the B'Cuzz products) who is biological and very concentrated 1:1000 and cheap €20 1 l. bottle.
I'm still testing it, but it should work.
Rhizotonic is wonderful, but expensive and no too much concentrated 1:250
I have been using the B'Cuzz root stimulator (Wortel) lately with pretty good results, I even made a little experiment in order to compare the effects in the root system of a mineral root stimulator (B'Cuzz Wortel), a bacterium called Azozpirillum Brasilence and a mix of Thricoderma and Mycorrhizal in three different plants of Angola. And the root system grow was explosive with the mineral root stimulator but then the roots treated with a. brasilence showed a whity and healthy mass that really impressed me, and right now the experiment is at this point.
Well, as I said, the mineral root stimulator of B'Cuzz is amazing, and very concentrated also 1:1000 but still a bit expensive, I mean around €40 1 l. bottle, like almost all the mineral root stimulators of famous brands.
But I have a lot of flowers and different plants and crops in my garden, so right now I'm using the Root Fast stimulator from ATA (the same company who produces the B'Cuzz products) who is biological and very concentrated 1:1000 and cheap €20 1 l. bottle.
I'm still testing it, but it should work.
G
GrowsOnTrees
ive loved H&G roots excel.
i stopped using it just cause went to new program but it works i can say that for sure
i stopped using it just cause went to new program but it works i can say that for sure
Try using Rhizotonic EXCLUSIVELY as a foliar spray. Start with those unrooted cuttings that under the plastic dome and spray to anyone and everyone in veg. A wee bit goes a long way when used to "leaf feed" and results are almost instant--much better than the costly route of using it as a "soil additive" to "feed the roots".
Supercharge it with 0.125 grams of urea/gallon. The plant can take up nitrogen from urea in as little as 1/2 hour...if applied as a foliar spray. Try it, and I doubt you will not go back...just saying.
Cheers!
Supercharge it with 0.125 grams of urea/gallon. The plant can take up nitrogen from urea in as little as 1/2 hour...if applied as a foliar spray. Try it, and I doubt you will not go back...just saying.
Cheers!
NIMMAJEKAJ
New member
The problem I have with Rhizotonic is the 15mL per gallon dosing and therefore 14 times more in cost....
Roots Excelurator and Rapidstart are both 1.1ml per gallon....
And that IMPHO is a HUGE cost difference when you're talking 100+ gallons...
Rapidstart I double up and use 2mL per gallon and ends up being the same as Roots Excelurator....
So why not just buy the best on the market because the mL to mL cost, it's rather cost efficient..
Just my 2 cents anyway...
Roots Excelurator and Rapidstart are both 1.1ml per gallon....
And that IMPHO is a HUGE cost difference when you're talking 100+ gallons...
Rapidstart I double up and use 2mL per gallon and ends up being the same as Roots Excelurator....
So why not just buy the best on the market because the mL to mL cost, it's rather cost efficient..
Just my 2 cents anyway...
I agree 100%...until I tried it as a foliar spray. OMG!
IMHO, Rhizotonic...as a soil/root additive, is no better/no worse than anything else--and is very pricey.
But when used as foliar spray (from unrooted cuttings to big mamas) nothing I have sprayed is superior to Rhizotonic--and I burn through dozens of "new product samples" each year.
The baby 250ml bottle of Rhizo put me back $20 (8 cents/ml)...and the 11 oz spray bottle I use requires 1.25 ml of Rhizo (10 cents), more than ample to spray all babies, juveniles, and most of the big girls.
The results: massive roots in 7-9 days (7 or less if you don't count the 2 days the cuttings sit in plain tap water). I love getting the clone into soil with goodly amount of roots within 10 days of being snipped from the mother. Sometimes a few stragglers take 4 additional days...but no more than that; I am blessed with 100% success rates.
Cheers!
Hi,
for those who run big rez of water and mineral nutes, metrop roots is very nice, work well and is cheap to use because of the concentration.
then for the organic ones, i never found cheaper than bac roots, 0,1L/L, that's should be 0,4ml / gallon...
if this is still too expensive, then take your pk13/14, if habituatly you use 1ml/L of this product(any brand), then use 0,1ml/L and use that as root, i promise it's work.
so you have to use 1/10 of your habitual dose of PK and yu get a good root stimulator.
that's said, i would love seen a real booster test, side par side...with and without roots.
for those who run big rez of water and mineral nutes, metrop roots is very nice, work well and is cheap to use because of the concentration.
then for the organic ones, i never found cheaper than bac roots, 0,1L/L, that's should be 0,4ml / gallon...
if this is still too expensive, then take your pk13/14, if habituatly you use 1ml/L of this product(any brand), then use 0,1ml/L and use that as root, i promise it's work.
so you have to use 1/10 of your habitual dose of PK and yu get a good root stimulator.
that's said, i would love seen a real booster test, side par side...with and without roots.
green thumbs
Member
In no specific order
-Rhizotonic
-KLN (DynaGro)
-H&G Roots
-Rhizotonic
-KLN (DynaGro)
-H&G Roots
C
cyber echo
Rhizotonic is great stuff.
I've tried using it at only 0.5-1ml/L instead of the 2+ml/L they recommend and I still saw explosive results (unhealthy stalled cuts in rockwool with thin slow growing roots becoming FULL of thick fuzzy white roots barely 24-36 hours after application, I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it for myself).
Only downside is how damn alkaline it is, but most kelp products are.
I've heard good stuff about H&G excellurator but I've never used it myself so can't give my op. on that.
I've tried using it at only 0.5-1ml/L instead of the 2+ml/L they recommend and I still saw explosive results (unhealthy stalled cuts in rockwool with thin slow growing roots becoming FULL of thick fuzzy white roots barely 24-36 hours after application, I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it for myself).
Only downside is how damn alkaline it is, but most kelp products are.
I've heard good stuff about H&G excellurator but I've never used it myself so can't give my op. on that.
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