Are there two windows of opportunitie to apply pollen?

[DamnUglyDogE]

My understanding is when the ladies through out her white fingers.
You apply pollen and bingo. .
Once the whites turn brown, its to late. .

Is this correct?

Is there a second window?



Thanks for taking the time. .

Peace. ..




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[floralheart]

I dunno. I just go with week 4, again on week 5 and lastly on week 6.

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

I dunno. I just go with week 4, again on week 5 and lastly on week 6.

Thats my plan as well... 2 x 4 x 6 and wait...

Thanks FH...

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

SO i guess by all the Neg reps...
This isn't the most question friendly sub forum....

Though I got my answer I was after... Always a few good seeds in the bunch...

All good... There being more than one way to skin a kitty...

Good grows to all...


Peace....

 

[mega72]

I would apply pollen when the most pistils are available, yet there is still adequate time to develop seed... for an 8 week run I like to pollinate between days 21-24. I'm no expert. I wonder why it is you would want to pollinate multiple times?

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

I would apply pollen when the most pistils are available, yet there is still adequate time to develop seed... for an 8 week run I like to pollinate between days 21-24. I'm no expert. I wonder why it is you would want to pollinate multiple times?

For me..
If I can catch the pistils at their prime then once is enough..
But if the pistils turn before I have pollen then 3 times it is ...
Just to make sure and I suppose maximized seed production.

I started the male 10 days after the females and this seems to have been a little late...

Next time ill go with 5 days...


Riding one hell of a Learning curve... Wheeee....


Thanks for the 2 cents Maga...

 

[mega72]

If I had an 8 week run, the seeds from pollination at week 4 would be iffy and and those developing from pollination at week 6 would have only had two weeks to develop and would not be ready at all, so I'm unsure why you would try to pollinate later in the flowering cycle... unless you're taking your plants much longer?

At first it seemed as though you were talking about applying stored pollen... the 21-24 day pollination was for me placing the male in flower at day 7 of the females. I'm sure there is variance.

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

If I had an 8 week run, the seeds from pollination at week 4 would be iffy and and those developing from pollination at week 6 would have only had two weeks to develop and would not be ready at all, so I'm unsure why you would try to pollinate later in the flowering cycle... unless you're taking your plants much longer?

My pool#1 is a heavy sativa pool and pool 2 is a mix and I plan on giving both 10-11 weeks to do the best they can (Dependent on how they act)
they,may not want 11...

This is only if my male dont start pumping pollen in the next 5 days of so...

A back up idea(you can call it)

Day 25-35 being the window im looking at.(again Dependent on the plant/Strain)

At first it seemed as though you were talking about applying stored pollen... the 21-24 day pollination was for me placing the male in flower at day 7 of the females. I'm sure there is variance.

Cool so i only missed by 3 days...

Im just in learning mode and I could just look this up(and have) only
the more input the better and the fresher the juice the sweeter the drink...

Peace and thanks again...

 

[Donald Mallard]

the amount of calyxes present at pollination will be the amount of seeds,

just wait until your girl looks like she can support a good amount of seeds and let your boy do his thing with her ,,
leave them together a week ,
youll get plenty of seeds ,
no need to do it twice ....

ive found the second later pollination can leave lots of unripe seed,
a pita ,
one time around half way into flower should give you lots of nice ripe uniform seeds at the end..

 

[stihgnobevoli]

assuming a 10 week strain... after week 4, after week 6. no more, seeds need at least 4 weeks to ripen. week 4 pistils are in full swing, week 6-8 final flush of new pistils before ripening. most strains anyway.

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

the amount of calyxes present at pollination will be the amount of seeds,

just wait until your girl looks like she can support a good amount of seeds and let your boy do his thing with her ,,
leave them together a week ,
youll get plenty of seeds ,
no need to do it twice ....

ive found the second later pollination can leave lots of unripe seed,
a pita ,
one time around half way into flower should give you lots of nice ripe uniform seeds at the end..

uniform seeds Golden point

second later pollination can leave lots of unripe seed

A lesson I would have learned the hard way.. Thanks DM...

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

assuming a 10 week strain... after week 4, after week 6. no more, seeds need at least 4 weeks to ripen. week 4 pistils are in full swing, week 6-8 final flush of new pistils before ripening. most strains anyway.

week 6-8 final flush of new pistils before ripening. most strains anyway
This is the second window i was trying thinking of..

So...

If I did miss the 35 day cut off (which I wont this run)
If I had to hit this late flush of pistils.
I would most likely need to take to 12-13 weeks or have in mature seeds at week 10-11...

Better to just get it right the first time and not worry about the what if's...lol


Thanks stihgnobevoli...

Great In-site...

 

[MJPassion]

If you know how long it takes the mother/s to finish, count backward 5 to 6 weeks from the expected finish date and do as DM suggested and put your male in for a few days to a week.

My last seed run was calculated in just this manner and now I've literally got thousands of seeds from 3 plants.

I typically place my male/s, throwing pollen, with the females at 3 weeks in flower then harvest at 9 weeks, no matter the strain, to ensure the seed has had adequate time (6wks) to fully develop.



On another note, I'm happy to see that there are a few big experienced names that are soooo eager to assist those, less experienced, asking for help... ;D ;D

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

If you know how long it takes the mother/s to finish, count backward 5 to 6 weeks from the expected finish date and do as DM suggested and put your male in for a few days to a week.

My last seed run was calculated in just this manner and now I've literally got thousands of seeds from 3 plants.

I typically place my male/s, throwing pollen, with the females at 3 weeks in flower then harvest at 9 weeks, no matter the strain, to ensure the seed has had adequate time (6wks) to fully develop.



On another note, I'm happy to see that there are a few big experienced names that are soooo eager to assist those, less experienced, asking for help... ;D ;D

Golden.. Thanks again MJ Passion...


Turns out I made a couple bad choices
that are coming back to bite me...

(knowing better yet being over medicated) My excuse...


I didn't train the Male at all during VEG. (Got lazy)...

I held him back for 10 days rather than 7.. (didn't know)

Halved him a day before flipping..
Causing a big O stall.. (Over Medicated and I knew better)


The consaquence being...

Day 37 in flower and thought the pistils are still white(on the ladies).
The male has just started to form nanners...

By the time he gets going my prime window will have closed...

Hence (knowing this will happen since the day after flipping) I seek
advise on the next best chance to get the best seed I can.

The strains i'm trying to cross are all 60-70+ strains...

I planned on going 70 with all ladies this run...

From what I understand ...
I may need to give 80 days
in order to give the seeds a change
to completely form...

IF i catch the tail end of the window.
(Before the pistils turn brown)

As a attempt to stall the ladies a little...

Being that the stretch is over...
I plucked a large amount of fan leaf over just 2 days.

I take all fans after the stretch on a regular basis
yet normally would do this over 10 days
or so in order to avoid a stall...

The help given and knowledge share is much appreciated...

Good Vibes & Golden nug's of knowledge...
I like It....
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[foomar]

Most of the tricks to slow a girl down seem to trigger intersex on many , had a similar miscalculation a few times.

Possible to speed up a male by pruneing away the less developed shoots and giveing it the sweet spot under the lights , certainly knocks a few days off.

If you can give the girls 12 hours light followed by 36/48 hours in cool dark they stall out and normally recover without incident , can slow down by at least a week this way if done a few times.

Might be enougth , if not fridge some pollen for next time.


Last xmas i switched off for six days in low temps , went a bit pale but nothing bad happened despite dire warnings.

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

Most of the tricks to slow a girl down seem to trigger intersex on many , had a similar miscalculation a few times.

Thought about the stress induced hermie factor.
My thinking being that done over 2 days and 70% taken
would be safe enough to try it on a couple..

Possible to speed up a male by pruneing away the less developed shoots and giveing it the sweet spot under the lights , certainly knocks a few days off.

Had not thought of that... Golden

If you can give the girls 12 hours light followed by 36/48 hours in cool dark they stall out and normally recover without incident , can slow down by at least a week this way if done a few times.

I like this idea.. A lot... Solid...

Might be enough , if not fridge some pollen for next time.

Plan Z....

Last xmas i switched off for six days in low temps , went a bit pale but nothing bad happened despite dire warnings.

Dont think Ill push it that far...



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[DamnUglyDogE]

How about ?

36 Off
12 on
36 off

back on scheduled

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[foomar]

That should do the trick without pushing your luck.

The six days were in the low 50,s with a small fan to circulate and a small dehumidifier set low , might not work so well in a warm climate.

 

[Lammy]

it seems off topic now but you originally asked about a second window to pollinate.

recently when I was taking cuttings I noticed that the female preflowers have been pollinated and were seeded in veg.

 

[BasementGrower]

I been tossing my male into flower 10 days after females.. and leave my male in flower until I see mainly every pistil turn from white to red.. or orange.. usually I leave the male in until week 5 .. and then if the seed production is starting all over the plants ill cut him down after I do a nice shake of him all around the females.. then leave him on a piece of paper in a shoebox. let the remaining flowers open.. dry the pollen and into the fridge it goes with the other seeds.. as a backup just incase I kill the male off. usually keep 1 clone of the male sometimes 2 .. around just incase its a offspring is very special