Dave I thought for sure you had that one in the bag mate. Anytime you let your air roots sit in still water they will drawn and rot. I had a feeling you werent going to get enough drainage one the pot filled with roots without proper drainage. It sucks but chalk it up to a lesson learned a vital piece of info obtained threw trial and error it sucks but now you know for next time. Hope you got that out of your system and can now move on . Knowledge is everything and tied with experience there is nothing you cant over come. Keep ur head up dave you will get there.
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Perhaps if not Jacks mix..
Flooding/pulsing causes a root burn/damage at normal strength...
Maybe just the nutrients you've tried. . IdK..
I ran jucks at 3000+ ppm for a month.
Only found out cause I tested the water..
Plants showed no real signs..
They don't look to bad. .
Hope they turn around bro....
It's not you doing this. .(you got skills) it is something about your gear/set up...
Thought this was SPARTA Down under ....
Kick some PPK azz, dave....
Flooding/pulsing causes a root burn/damage at normal strength...
Maybe just the nutrients you've tried. . IdK..
I ran jucks at 3000+ ppm for a month.
Only found out cause I tested the water..
Plants showed no real signs..
They don't look to bad. .
Hope they turn around bro....
It's not you doing this. .(you got skills) it is something about your gear/set up...
Thought this was SPARTA Down under ....
Kick some PPK azz, dave....
What's your RH been at during all this mellow yellowing?
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DaveTheNewbie
yellowing has been going away since I changed the water and got the PH down.
The reason I let such a basic fuckup get thru is because I just started my masters at uni this semester. Ive had a shitload of assignments in the last few weeks ending in 3 exams in the last 2 days. All that's over for now.
hell yeah, me too.
low. maybe 20-30%
The reason I let such a basic fuckup get thru is because I just started my masters at uni this semester. Ive had a shitload of assignments in the last few weeks ending in 3 exams in the last 2 days. All that's over for now.
hell yeah, me too.
low. maybe 20-30%
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Dave pick up a bottle of ph tester drops. Unless you drop the $ on a good tester you will be constantly fighting swings from pens not being callibrated every use. I dropped the pens about 5 years ago and have been using the drops ever since and never had an issue ever since and I get about 3 to 5 months out of a $5.00 bottle of drops.
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DaveTheNewbie
interesting ... ive had a hell of a time with my bunky old PH pen, and its caused a lot of problems over time. This is why I always calibrate it before I do anything drastic with it.
I've never owned a PH pen, all I hear about them is you have to calibrate them constantly, and even then they frequently go down. Once you get used to the test drops you can tell if its in the right range real easy. I always figured since I want it to drift a little bit there's no point in me knowing the exact PH down to the tenth.
Don't do it! Don't put the coco in! Unless you got that chunky coco it won't drain fast enough for the ppks. The pith just fills up all open spaces in whatever you mix it with.
Don't do it! Don't put the coco in! Unless you got that chunky coco it won't drain fast enough for the ppks. The pith just fills up all open spaces in whatever you mix it with.
Maybe I've just been lucky...
I've had a great time with coco and PPKs...
12-15 ladies done with Smart and air pots all came out great in coco/perlite at different levels of mixes...
To much jacks/ not enough jacks. All kinds of newbie issues and coco has handled it all...
Poor coco, cant catch a break
Then again im just doing low volume pulsing...
Coco rocks....
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DaveTheNewbie
Shit Photo Sunday
Shit Photo Sunday
ok people, here it is : SHIT PHOTO SUNDAY !!!!
Veg Cab :
Early Flower Cab :
alls well and ticking along nicely.
Shit Photo Sunday
ok people, here it is : SHIT PHOTO SUNDAY !!!!
Veg Cab :
Early Flower Cab :
alls well and ticking along nicely.
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GMax
sorry to hear about the pH problems... glad to see it is turning around however
nothing beats a cheap pH dropper set imo...
keep it up homey..! your flower cab is looking good..!
nothing beats a cheap pH dropper set imo...
keep it up homey..! your flower cab is looking good..!
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otis33
Maybe I've just been lucky...
I've had a great time with coco and PPKs...
12-15 ladies done with Smart and air pots all came out great in coco/perlite at different levels of mixes...
To much jacks/ not enough jacks. All kinds of newbie issues and coco has handled it all...
Poor coco, cant catch a break
Then again im just doing low volume pulsing...
I feel the same way, I just harvested another successful ppk/coco grow. I was considering trying something new on my new ppk build bc of all the recent hoopla, but its worked fine so far, and I have a bunch of it...
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DaveTheNewbie
This is giving me the shits
This is giving me the shits
This is giving me the shits.
I came home tonight after a 12 hour shift and im dead tired.
I poke my head in to have a quick peep and I see water all over the floor. I know what this means. One of the PPKs has blocked and flooded again
Do you know how much fun it is to pull out a plant that's this big and grown deep into the support netting? Do you know how much fun it is to transplant a plant tis big in perlite? The shit goes everywhere.
The rootmass is good this time, unlike last time
It seems that the block is right where the top pot connects to the tailpipe. Unlike last time there is no block inside the tailpipe at all.
I don't know if its the same plant that blocked last time (I assume so) so maybe its all a hangover from last times problems and I should have broken up the rootmass more when I transplanted.
You can see where the tailpipe rootmass broke off as I pulled it out, I assume that is what was blocking the pipe. There were no roots growing out of the tailpipe.
Im really open to comments and suggestions.
This is giving me the shits
This is giving me the shits.
I came home tonight after a 12 hour shift and im dead tired.
I poke my head in to have a quick peep and I see water all over the floor. I know what this means. One of the PPKs has blocked and flooded again
Do you know how much fun it is to pull out a plant that's this big and grown deep into the support netting? Do you know how much fun it is to transplant a plant tis big in perlite? The shit goes everywhere.
The rootmass is good this time, unlike last time
It seems that the block is right where the top pot connects to the tailpipe. Unlike last time there is no block inside the tailpipe at all.
I don't know if its the same plant that blocked last time (I assume so) so maybe its all a hangover from last times problems and I should have broken up the rootmass more when I transplanted.
You can see where the tailpipe rootmass broke off as I pulled it out, I assume that is what was blocking the pipe. There were no roots growing out of the tailpipe.
Im really open to comments and suggestions.
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DaveTheNewbie
but wait : theres more!
so the plant that DIDNT flood Monday night flooded tonight
I suspect this is the one that hasn't flooded at all yet because the block was deep in the tailpipe.
Im getting good at transplanting big plants in perlite ... still a shitty job tho.
The second wave of plants haven't shown any signs of blocking yet.
PPKs are a booring way to grow my ass!
so the plant that DIDNT flood Monday night flooded tonight
I suspect this is the one that hasn't flooded at all yet because the block was deep in the tailpipe.
Im getting good at transplanting big plants in perlite ... still a shitty job tho.
The second wave of plants haven't shown any signs of blocking yet.
PPKs are a booring way to grow my ass!
wow,bro.... Beautiful roots ball... Sucks that it keeps flooding on ya though...
What if ya took another bowl and cut the bottom off then put it on top the base bowl.
Raising the side walls a good 4 inches in order to allow time to drain without over flooding.
Seems the root ball is soilid and not allowing the water through fast enough..
Another option might be to take a butter knife and gently work it into the root ball and make spaces for the water to travel... Say around the rim... Just slowly push the knife into the ball and using a back and forth motion make a gap.. Not so much cutting as pushing..
just a thought...
Digging the shape of ya lady..
Shes HOT...
Tell her I said SUP....
What if ya took another bowl and cut the bottom off then put it on top the base bowl.
Raising the side walls a good 4 inches in order to allow time to drain without over flooding.
Seems the root ball is soilid and not allowing the water through fast enough..
Another option might be to take a butter knife and gently work it into the root ball and make spaces for the water to travel... Say around the rim... Just slowly push the knife into the ball and using a back and forth motion make a gap.. Not so much cutting as pushing..
just a thought...
Digging the shape of ya lady..
Shes HOT...
Tell her I said SUP....
village green
Member
More tail pipes?
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DHF
One would think so cuz something's gotta be done to keep the tailpiece drainin and wickin cuz that`s a killer rootmass Bro.......
I`ll wait and see what D9 says , but fuck......Hope shit works out Dave......plants look good....
Peace.....Freds....
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Seems like the water cant make it to the tail piece in time to start draining before flooding(a little)
Then with the top of the tail piece blocked ya get a wet floor real fast...
Think he fixed it best by just lifting ,pulling roots out the tail piece and putting right back...
Teach those roots who's boss,bro... lol...
Maybe its just his picture but that root ball looks like a solid rock...
Awesome looking but not easy to water a rock...
It's all alien,ta me...
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What about a wider tail piece (say 4") rather than more than one ?
I got a tail piece in my head that is..
4" wide-
take a 1\2" pvc pipe and place in the center of the 4" pipe.
Fill the 1\2" with almost pure coco
and then
fill the 4" pipe with Turface or perlite.
Pull the 1\2" pipe out and you have a coco wick inside a turface tail piece...
Seems like it would have great wicking capacity and lots of room for drainage...
Perhaps if ya give the root more access to the drink(with out leaving it in the top pot) they wont send down so many roots...
I've seen more and more people adding tail pieces 2-3 ta one pot (seems like it just make ya need bigger pumps to flood)and at some point Ill be coping y'all and don't really want 2-3-tail pieces, so... Figure it out would ya,,,please.... ya got a couple years before im out of pools..
so take ya time and just hurry up....
Then with the top of the tail piece blocked ya get a wet floor real fast...
Think he fixed it best by just lifting ,pulling roots out the tail piece and putting right back...
Teach those roots who's boss,bro... lol...
Maybe its just his picture but that root ball looks like a solid rock...
Awesome looking but not easy to water a rock...
It's all alien,ta me...
Edit~
What about a wider tail piece (say 4") rather than more than one ?
I got a tail piece in my head that is..
4" wide-
take a 1\2" pvc pipe and place in the center of the 4" pipe.
Fill the 1\2" with almost pure coco
and then
fill the 4" pipe with Turface or perlite.
Pull the 1\2" pipe out and you have a coco wick inside a turface tail piece...
Seems like it would have great wicking capacity and lots of room for drainage...
Perhaps if ya give the root more access to the drink(with out leaving it in the top pot) they wont send down so many roots...
I've seen more and more people adding tail pieces 2-3 ta one pot (seems like it just make ya need bigger pumps to flood)and at some point Ill be coping y'all and don't really want 2-3-tail pieces, so... Figure it out would ya,,,please.... ya got a couple years before im out of pools..
so take ya time and just hurry up....
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DaveTheNewbie
Im hoping to avoid multiple tailpieces because they are a real prick to get perfectly located so that they will fit thru the holes in the lid below, especially in a perpetual system when you are moving plants into different locations every 4 weeks.
Having a wider pipe is where my mind is at. I haven't been able to find a wider pipe with the fittings I want, but I am looking.
My current hope is that I caused my problems watering way too much and that now I have stopped that every new plant will be fine and I just have to get this first batch thru the hard way. Remember that D9 ran many many plants with 1 single tailpipe in the old days, so it can be done.
Because the rootmasses are so good, and the perlite so light, transplanting them doesn't seem to cause any problems
here are some sunday updates
veg plants 2 weeks old :
flowering plants 2 weeks flowering :
Having a wider pipe is where my mind is at. I haven't been able to find a wider pipe with the fittings I want, but I am looking.
My current hope is that I caused my problems watering way too much and that now I have stopped that every new plant will be fine and I just have to get this first batch thru the hard way. Remember that D9 ran many many plants with 1 single tailpipe in the old days, so it can be done.
Because the rootmasses are so good, and the perlite so light, transplanting them doesn't seem to cause any problems
here are some sunday updates
veg plants 2 weeks old :
flowering plants 2 weeks flowering :
