Broad Mites?

[SooperSmurph]

he's got Super BM's and nothing is phasing them...When going Nuclear is not getting the Job Done...its time to go Super Saiyan level 5

clarified hydrophobic extract of neem at higher doses is better than Azadirachtin ... works right away as a contact killer of all stages of BM's and with extra benefits like controlling plant diseases

Any Home Depot or Lowes will have Triple Action Neem oil aka %70 clarified hydrophobic extract of neem ... if you dip clones at 60ml a gallon.... Some genetics get upset...but most take it in stride

After trying three different neem products (Aza, Einstein, TripleAction) at the super aggressive dosage level discussed in this thread, imo the best balance between effectiveness / harshness on the plants would be the Aza. I happen to have been given a gallon of Aza for free by my retailer, so perhaps my thrifty bone is making me see more leaf curl and crisping in the alternatives and less in the Aza, but it does certainly seem to have the best results of the three in my experience.

 

[Some old dude]

I use Aza

I use Aza

After trying three different neem products (Aza, Einstein, TripleAction) at the super aggressive dosage level discussed in this thread, imo the best balance between effectiveness / harshness on the plants would be the Aza. I happen to have been given a gallon of Aza for free by my retailer, so perhaps my thrifty bone is making me see more leaf curl and crisping in the alternatives and less in the Aza, but it does certainly seem to have the best results of the three in my experience.

I soil drench mothers with aza. Supposed to have systemic property. Supposed to make all kinds of bugs not want to bite plants. Supposed to stop reproduction. Most people say it's no bueno for BM's but I figure it's gotta have some quality to it.Probably not the best if your looking for a quick fix. Don't like oily plants anyway's.

 

[SooperSmurph]

I soil drench mothers with aza. Supposed to have systemic property. Supposed to make all kinds of bugs not want to bite plants. Supposed to stop reproduction. Most people say it's no bueno for BM's but I figure it's gotta have some quality to it.Probably not the best if your looking for a quick fix. Don't like oily plants anyway's.

Storm Shadow posted a very helpful study from Brazil, long story short the minimum dosage required to start population reduction for a sprayof Azamax is around 12mls / liter (46mls per gallon), so i'm guessing that the dosage required to affect them systemically is ridiculously high.

Neem / Aza / etc use in this thread is suggested as a long term population controller for the BMs, "quick fixes" don't ever seem to work for them, it's all about the long term plan if you want to conquer these pests without tearing down your garden.

 

[RetroGrow]

Update:
1. not seeing great results. either super strain of BM or I'm not applying the shit right. in second round of ++chems now, hoping for a turnaround.
2. scoped moms directly on top of new growth, full of eggs, even on tops of leaves.
3. bunch of rooted clones planted today (also have eggs), dipped in conserve/azamax/indicate combo. many clones that were struggling before, are toast after that dip.
4. ordering Cyonara 9.7 (love the name) which is 9.7% Lambda-cyhalothrin
5. odering pylon TR bombs
6. ordering swirski mites, primarily for ladies just flipped... nice big canopy, and healthly-ish looking... yet damaged. eggs but no adult BMs. after 1 week 12/12 they're flowering, where normally the hairs come at 2, 2.5 weeks.
7. ISO app was brutal. ladies survived it okay, i almost didn't (even with mask was like drinking everclear). too early to say if buds will improve -- in week 5 = stunted, fluff, no resin, no smell.
8. I'm continuing 3 day MOA rotational sprays. but looks like i'll be starting fresh once new genetics arrive

You should not be seeing eggs on tops of leaves, and you should be seeing dead BMs after treatment. Perhaps the "eggs" you are seeing are trichomes? Eggs normally found only on bottoms of leaves.
At any rate, after all those poisons, you should be seeing dead BMs and marked improvement.
Do you have pictures of any eggs? If so, post.
Personally, I wouldn't waste my time or money on all these toxins when a single heat treatment will kill everything. They don't get resistant to heat, and 120 degrees =toast. Nothing but dead BMs.
But to each his own.

 

[OrganicOzarks]

You can save money on azamax by making your own neem tea. It is much stronger than anything already in a bottle. For SUPER potent neem tea bubble 1 cup of neem cake in 5 gallons of water for 48 hours. You can add a 1/4 cup kelp, and or alfalfa meal as well. This will be so strong it will be hard to get close to it because of the smell. I use this to get rid of anything, and everything in the root zone. 3 applications 4 days apart will kill everything in the root zone. You can foliar feed it as well if you cut it half and half with water. Much cheaper than all of the aza products.

 

[bubbler720]

Thanks all for the input. I've been rotating in triple action neem sprays, I'll give the cuttings a dunk in it as well. Yesterday I ordered both Swirski and Californicus preditor mites to release into my flower room. The milky translucent round eggs I'm scoping on the bottom of leaves are the same eggs I'm seeing on the tops of leaves in the meristem (eggs look same as pics on this thread). I haven't seen a moving adult and very few dead adults since the first chem app 1 month ago. I have been slacking on heat treatments but plan to run one soon.

My scope is hand held 60/100. It will be helpful to have an USB to upload pics, I'll get one today and post after. Thanks again for your help & input.

 

[Storm Shadow]

I found this picture online...and it reminded me of when I had BM's really bad...and had no fucken idea what the hell was going on...

 

[bubbler720]

bought the zorb mm-480 usb scope, waste of money, ordered Celestron LCD - will have pics up soon. pred mites come today = installing mister systems to maintain humidity 60-70% - no small job - ambient humidity here below 20%. throwing out ladies that continue to suffer+stunt. throwing out entire flower room wk 5 looks like crap (^^ see pic above). BMs are the devil

 

[OrganicOzarks]

I did not miss a harvest using the ogbiowar foliar pack. I have not missed a monthly harvest in 1.5 years now. The shit works for broad mites. All the rest is just to much work.

 

[D916]

I'm wondering how long broad mites eggs can stay dormant on the leaves? I'm seeing no movement under the microscope but there looks to be eggs everywhere! It's been almost 16 days since we took the cuttings from from an outside source! The outside source we got the cuttings from is dealing is now dealing with an infestation!

Thnks

 

[D916]

I did not miss a harvest using the ogbiowar foliar pack. I have not missed a monthly harvest in 1.5 years now. The shit works for broad mites. All the rest is just to much work.

Hey we have been trying to get a hold of OgBiowar with no success. Just want to learn a little more about the product. Did you order directly from the website?

 

[OrganicOzarks]

Hey we have been trying to get a hold of OgBiowar with no success. Just want to learn a little more about the product. Did you order directly from the website?

Yes just place an order on the website with the code "farmer"(which will give you a significant discount), it will ship the next business day. I ordered on Sunday, and got mine on that Thursday. I wouldn't waste the time trying to get a hold of him if you have broad mites. He does post on other forums, and checks in daily there.

 

[SooperSmurph]

Can anyone find the link to the lab direct website for the bioinsecticides??

Searched this thread up and down, thought it was here, might have seen it in chat

10x markup on the og pack because he knows he's selling to growers.

 

[Storm Shadow]

http://www.drrajanlaboratories.com/

 

[Storm Shadow]

prices are so nice

 

[LEDNewbie]

I did not miss a harvest using the ogbiowar foliar pack. I have not missed a monthly harvest in 1.5 years now. The shit works for broad mites. All the rest is just to much work.

Do you spray leafs on both sides? What do you spray with? A fogger or a pump sprayer??

I'm 1.5 weeks away from finishing a successful grow after having bm issues last round. I did do weekly og biowar tea feeds as well as foliar sprays. But I also did heat treatments every 2-3 weeks. If your having success just with the foliar pack I may reduce my heat treatments to once at the beginning of veg and once at the flip to 12/12. Just to save some work, time and electricity.

 

[RetroGrow]

Do you spray leafs on both sides? What do you spray with? A fogger or a pump sprayer??

I'm 1.5 weeks away from finishing a successful grow after having bm issues last round. I did do weekly og biowar tea feeds as well as foliar sprays. But I also did heat treatments every 2-3 weeks. If your having success just with the foliar pack I may reduce my heat treatments to once at the beginning of veg and once at the flip to 12/12. Just to save some work, time and electricity.

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They look good. It was the heat treatments....

 

[someone else]

I couldn't find a space heater to heat my room size so I used a kerosene heater, long story short it still only got to 110 and some of my plants are wilting from the carbon monoxide (co not co2). anyways I dont really care if they all die, I'll start over with my cuts and seeds which will be much easier to treat. All in all i've lost at least 100k and spent a lot on miticides and everything else so I guess I'll be buying a grow room that will be easier to heat and I'll just move a few in there at a time. Also I dont live at the grow so I'm not so stupid enough to expose myself to co and I vented for 40 min before re entering, I did have to hold my breath and run in a few times to check the temps but I had a buddy waiting standby just in case lol. These fucking things suck but everything mentioned by the major contributors do seem to work it's just easier to work with very small plants and I didn't diagnose until they were vegged for a week or so. also can someone recommend heaters, all the heaters I've found seem to have auto shut off at those temps. Thanks!

 

[someone else]

Up until today I have mitigated all of my symptoms but I still had eggs everywhere, after my heat-carbon monoxide death chamber there are no eggs. I dont know if the heat made them hatch or they died off but they're not there. So I'm assuming the CO, heat, and previous avid-forbid applications will kill them off. I currently have 32 giant plants 10 days in 12-12, two of which will die from the CO poison two more are questionable but I'm cautiously optimistic. I'll probably hit them with some triple action neem at lights off just in case. Like I said in my last post I really dont care if they all die I have treated cuts, 100 auto seeds and 50 fem seeds ready to go. Anyone thinking about scrapping big plants should get some autos to fill the void and get a quick harvest while treating the new cuts and seeds. Sorry I ramble on here but this is like my therapy, everyone I know is sick of me because this is all I talk about.

 

[D916]

Up until today I have mitigated all of my symptoms but I still had eggs everywhere, after my heat-carbon monoxide death chamber there are no eggs. I dont know if the heat made them hatch or they died off but they're not there. So I'm assuming the CO, heat, and previous avid-forbid applications will kill them off. I currently have 32 giant plants 10 days in 12-12, two of which will die from the CO poison two more are questionable but I'm cautiously optimistic. I'll probably hit them with some triple action neem at lights off just in case. Like I said in my last post I really dont care if they all die I have treated cuts, 100 auto seeds and 50 fem seeds ready to go. Anyone thinking about scrapping big plants should get some autos to fill the void and get a quick harvest while treating the new cuts and seeds. Sorry I ramble on here but this is like my therapy, everyone I know is sick of me because this is all I talk about.

What temps and time duration did you do for heat? We just ordered OG Biowar as well.