Colorado Growers Thread

[SooperSmurph]

Thanks for the baseless accusations, in my eye, you're the one spreading false information, false information that's a lot riskier to follow than the "false information" i've been spreading.

If you're right and i'm wrong, no harm done, if i'm right and you're wrong, anyone following your advise and the advise of the fellow saying the MMED no longer exists is taking a serious legal risk.

Whenever I hear a friend telling me they're about to take X, I give them a spiel about blood pressure, heart rate, and etc, i'm of the opinion that a 5% risk of your heart exploding is too high, i'm cautious, calling me a liar because i'm careful is... just bad form.

 

[2 Legal Co]

If you're 'the Industry', then yes.
For what, the spread of disinformation as fact. That is how I interpreted your post, and many others. I feel that you and Smurph are either spreading misinformation on purpose. If I am wrong sorry, but a lot of misstatement of fact here.

"Growing in the backyard under the sun, goes against A64's definition of "enclosed"... "
That is a statement of fact, not opinion.

Love it, they used it because they couldn't find 'enclosed' anywhere else...Yeah, that's going to hold up.

In case anyone is interested, here is your CRS.
http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/colorado/

I suggest MMIG find the word 'enclosed' in Title 18, after all that is their purpose on the 'personal' side of the law.
Too bad for them they already traded in their DUI chip for Vertical Integration...Spent it too soon I say.

Dam Red: I've got a chain link 'dogrun' with a top on it even. That with a padlock? My dog calls it enclosed. Wonder if that meets the criteria?

Course the girls may grow through the top. I spose that'd be a violation? or is that an attempted escape? Hmmmm

 

[calientecarlos]

I highly doubt anyone is relying on the information in this thread... if they are; Good Riddance, someone has to be sacrificed for the greater good.

 

[Rednick]

Thanks for the baseless accusations, in my eye, you're the one spreading false information, false information that's a lot riskier to follow than the "false information" i've been spreading.

Please, use the 'Quote' button from my post and point it out to me. It's the only way I can see my error.
Not baseless, you're telling people they can't plant in the ground. And making it sound like you'll be fine if it's in a container, if it's in the ground you'll be hauled off to jail. FEAR.

In case anyone wants to read the glowing MMED Audit.
I don't think they'll be without some major restructuring for the 'retail' side of things. If the legislature doesn't just form a new agency.
http://www.leg.state.co.us/OSA/coauditor1.nsf/All/1BB1CBF38E313A1587257B320079E543/$FILE/2194A%20MedicalMarijuanaRegSys%20031813.pdf

Which comes to the point. If it is legal to have your marijuana plants, are they going to throw you in jail for them not being in a greenhouse? For being planted in the ground? Maybe in El Paso/Teller counties.

 

[SooperSmurph]

Hauled off to jail? lol, no, but there will be a world of citations, fines, and unwanted attention that come along with improper growing, and with that attention comes complications for people with nosy landlords, children under 18, etc.

Imagining that everyone can do as they please is just hubris, i'm always going to err on the side of caution.

 

[Seaf0ur]

Remove the top 1/2 of your shed roof, install chainlink, install triple deadbolts, fence in the yard, get a guard dog.....

They'd probably still want you to hire a state certified security firm with all applicable taxes and fees.....

They'll still try to suppress us by adding contradictory paragraphs through obscure laws that noone expects making it all but impossible to be legal.

 

[Avinash.miles]

I highly doubt anyone is relying on the information in this thread... if they are; Good Riddance, someone has to be sacrificed for the greater good.

 

[TheStrainMan]

I'm not in the mj/mmj industry, Rednick, although I used to have a blog between 09-11 critiquing dispensary buds, where I'd post photos of and review great nuggets as well as macro photos of mites, mold, and all kinds of winged creatures, calling out the shop's growers. It was all for fun and for educating people; and it was successful in that many patients would write me pats on the back. Ya see, I've been thinking and talking with all kinds of folks about this sheit for a while now. I'm not trying to prove anything in this paragraph, just introducing myself. The whole time, my mantra was (and is) GROW YOUR OWN!

1284 really really changed things and most importantly, it changed the mentality of those involved in the industry for the much worse. For a while now, I don't like "the industry" as it's full of backstabbers and buddy-fuckers and folks that think they are somehow successful in life cause they finagled a few elite cuts or know how to pollen chuck and clone. I tend to avoid any scenes or gatherings of industry folks, although I know many.

As for this discussion, yes, I'm with you, rednick: it all stems on how a jury will define the word enclosed. But who the hell wants to go through that horrible horrible life-screwing ordeal... In any case....

GROW YOUR OWN!!

 

[TheStrainMan]

Oh and one more thing... Fuck the mmig and fuck the mmed, and fuck mason tvert, and fuck rob Corey, and fuck vincente.

 

[Avinash.miles]

 

[2 Legal Co]

Remove the top 1/2 of your shed roof, install chainlink, install triple deadbolts, fence in the yard, get a guard dog.....

They'd probably still want you to hire a state certified security firm with all applicable taxes and fees.....

They'll still try to suppress us by adding contradictory paragraphs through obscure laws that noone expects making it all but impossible to be legal.

And even though I'm not religious..... You do get an 'Amen' to that.

And the attitude will continue UNTIL they want more tax revenue.

 

[Rednick]

Hauled off to jail? lol, no, but there will be a world of citations, fines, and unwanted attention that come along with improper growing, and with that attention comes complications for people with nosy landlords, children under 18, etc.

Nothing in 64 prevents a nosy landlord from complicating things, even if you are 'properly' growing. Just like Medical, all these things have to be worked out over time and trials.

Imagining that everyone can do as they please is just hubris, i'm always going to err on the side of caution.

If that were true, you wouldn't be bragging about your Smurphberry, ect....Because it is still Federally illegal, right?
Seems like you're only erring on the side of caution, when it comes to others growing.

To me, it sounds like you are just explaining to people how much risk it could be to 'grow your own', so why not try Smurph Brand (tm) weed.

And in reality, anyone can do as they please, it is the consequences (or perceived consequences) of those actions that prevent people from doing. The Industry is rife with mis-information, to increase the perception of dangerous consequences. And if they had it their way, we'd be New Jersey, where patients cannot grow their own.

@StrainGuy: My apologies. My 'Industry' meter needs calibration, me thinks.

As for where it's going?
MMIG already spent their bargaining chip with the DUI bill and Vertical Integration (selling out everyone in Colorado so they could have an Oligopoly for 9 more months than without selling you out). So now they are left with brown paper bags.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_cHa9f1UdM

Which means, just like Medical, it will go through the courts to press OUR RIGHTS which others are so willing to give up in the pursuit of money.

We know the 'Task Force' is a group of haters and paid spokesmen for the industry. The good news is that there are plenty of lawmakers out there that know this is bullshit. They know the recommendations are just the work of industry cronies and h8ters.

So unjust 'laws' may be passed to try to limit your rights under the Constitution, but that just means that, like Medical, some folks will have to press the envelope so that the other sheep know what to expect. And some will have to take it to court.

"It is better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees." Zapata

Me personally, I'll probably string up some chicken wire to enclose it, but critters and deer, not people, are my enemy out here. I feel for everyone in the city that is going to have to deal with some NIMBY bitch hater. That's what drove me here. Like Natalie Merchant says "Go west, paradise is there. You'll have all that you can eat of milk and honey over there.", just stop before you hit 109"03'w

 

[cobcoop]

Oh and one more thing... Fuck the mmig and fuck the mmed, and fuck mason tvert, and fuck rob Corey, and fuck vincente.

You forgot fuck 64

 

[TheStrainMan]

You forgot fuck 64

I think the benefits of 64 outweigh the costs. If anything, less people will have to deal with the legal system just for good ole getting high and buying herb. Legalizing an ounce of herb is still so much better than going to jail for it in Oklahoma, Utah, etc... And 64 started a push for legalizing at the fed level. I didn't expect the road to legalization to be paved in gold, but it is going in the right direction, I think. But my standpoint is that of a simple smoker who has 5-6 elite cuts and thinks that's plenty for my needs.

 

[TheStrainMan]

Rednick, It will be good to have someone (through a jury trial) finally define the word "enclosed". If it were me as the defendant, I'd rather have a chain link locked dog "run" than chicken wire or bird netting, because the prosecution will bring up access to youth, etc.. and some jury members may agree. Doesn't seem like that's a concern based on where you live, though. I would LOVE to never have to use an HID lamp again, though and rely completely on our glorious sun and wind.

 

[Rednick]

Well I found the word "enclosed" in the CRS. Funny the 'Task Force' didn't think to look in the Criminal Code section as it pertains to Real Property.

CRS 18-4-503 : Second degree criminal trespass
(1) A person commits the crime of second degree criminal trespass if such person:

(a) Unlawfully enters or remains in or upon the premises of another which are enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders or are fenced; or

(b) Knowingly and unlawfully enters or remains in or upon the common areas of a hotel, motel, condominium, or apartment building; or

(c) Knowingly and unlawfully enters or remains in a motor vehicle of another.


18-4-504. Third degree criminal trespass
(1) A person commits the crime of third degree criminal trespass if such person unlawfully enters or remains in or upon premises of another.

(2) Third degree criminal trespass is a class 1 petty offense, but:

(a) It is a class 3 misdemeanor if the premises have been classified by the county assessor for the county in which the land is situated as agricultural land pursuant to section 39-1-102 (1.6), C.R.S.; and

(b) It is a class 5 felony if the person trespasses on premises so classified as agricultural land with the intent to commit a felony thereon.

http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/colorado/

So fuck'em! They scoured the CRS to find the word 'enclosed' in the best light possible for them. But it doesn't have a peg leg to stand on when the definition is applied in the context of Real Property.


They will throw out obscure statues and verdicts to scare you. Knowing full well that you are 'too busy' to do your 'due diligence' as a citizen in a Democracy (Representative Republic) and question their stats/sources/motives...

Just please people, do a little more reading before you pull a HawkHazard.

 

[TheStrainMan]

Good stuff rednick, thanks for finding that. Dictionary definition simply defines the word as "surround or close off on all SIDES" and "fence in so as to make it private property"... But the math definition for the word "side" includes top and bottom when dealing with 3d objects.

 

[2 Legal Co]

Government by, of, and for, attorneys.

Much as it always was.

 

[dragging hooks]

when 64 took effect all I did was reduce my plant count
and bought bigger smart pots and threw a dead bolt on my room
as far as I know I am legal

 

[Avinash.miles]

i remember railing against mmig influence a while back.... everyone seemed to think i was overreacting.....

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=244468