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Weed websites lead DEA officials to drug users

Supaseeds

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yeah think about using TOR, or Tails system, for when you discuss or talk about stuff you dont want aynone to track you down, darknet is growing more and more people are stting up webpages and stuff on the .onion so that everyonce can give a big FU to the .gov
 
I use Tor some times off a thumb drive other times I don't. my understanding is that the Tor exit node can see all info dumping out of it, the gov. has an infinite number of resources at it's disposal & i wonder how many exit node they control. With the group we have in control of thing now, there are NO boundaries. The average slob is in deep shit.
 

Supaseeds

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Indeed but i have the feeling with all this NSA crap ect.. people will start migrating to darknet and varius forums ect will start putting up secure websites that can only be accessed with TOR and therefore ensure portection of users. Because more and more people are getting in trouble, not to mention big companys like goog fb msft cooperating with .gov all the time and will give out user info that they are collecting with every step you make.

We will see what future brings, but for sure thigns will change. Every action causes a reaction.
 

FatherEarth

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controlling with fear... not a new tactic...



propaganda, propaganda, propaganda, NEWS MEDIA!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT3hQx60eWo



Hear me now Lord
Hear me now Lord

Hear me now Lord
Tell them call pan Fari
The whole of the youth and them
Fe say Rasta Fari
Hear me now Lord
Tell them call pan Fari
The whole of the youth and them
Fe say Rasta Fari
Fari the whole a the youth
An them fe say Rasta Fari

Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propoganda news media
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda

Whole heap a Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda news media
Propaganda
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Propaganda
Propaganda

Oh gash original man
He was black
He was black
He was an African, carbon
Science will show that
And prove that over and over ra again
Jah see and know
We tell them
Honor your fathers that your days may be long
Original black man
We were here from foundation of time
We will remain until the end
Jah see and know

Don’t listen the propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda news media
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda

Hear hear wha
Black is absorption of all light and color
So hear me little systa
In the earth and in the sky are
The cycles of your womb
See your self precious once again
We are hurt for the hurt of
The daughters of our people
She and her tears could find no comforter
Our hands are again strong
We will be there for our daughters
We will be there
Jah see and know

Don’t listen their propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda news media
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda

Oh gash
Black is the color of our Solar System
Out of blackness was born the light
Black is the color of the whole universe
Your morning starts with darkness
Did not your morning start with darkness
Did not your morning start with darkness
Did not this morning start with darkness
Well so does tonight
Alpha alpha and omega I
The beginning and the end

Don’t listen the propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda
Propaganda

All aboard
I’m not leaving without my
contributions accounted for
All aboard
I’m not leaving your vineyard without
The groundwork accounted for
Man will learn to humble to his knees
Many live and die unnecessarily
Man will learn to pray with long suffering
Many live and die
Still pretending

Hear wha
Every knee shall bow
And every tongue confess
Rasta Fari Selassie I live
Every knee shall bow
And every tongue confess
Rasta Fari Selassie I live

Go down do down a Ithiopia
Come come out of Fari Makonen Emperor
Come come go down
Go down a Ithiopia
The ancient ancestors
Call from our blood lines they remember
Word sound and power will over
Word sound and power
Hear rasta
Word sound and power
In this ya Armageddon
No retreat and no surrender
 

iBogart

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After all Ive been reading lately and with all the intrusive .gov espionage we are hearing about Ive been seriously thinking about severely limiting my online presence.

No! Increase your online presence. This is ours, not theirs. As far as marijuana goes, we're making big strides all across the USA. Just this past sunday on July 1st former governor of Florida Charlie Christ said he was in favor of medical marijuana in Florida. In Florida! So keep up the chatter folks. Eventually we'll have nothing to be paranoid about. Cause right now, marijuana is the only thing I got to hide, and I could give a rats ass about the all the rest.
 

Jhhnn

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One of the things people like to forget is that NSA surveillance is about *National Security*. So even though they're collecting a lot of data, it can't just be used for any purpose they see fit. Hell, it doesn't even mean that they're actually examining more than a tiny fraction of it. It does let them look into the past when their interest is aroused, however.

Normal rules of evidence still apply- anything scooped up by the NSA is poisoned fruit for the purposes of normal prosecutions.

It's not even grounds for a warrant except in national security cases. I figure we'll be fine if we're not plotting to blow up anything or overthrow the govt. European govts in general are not friendly to NSA snooping, either, making ICMAG or their ISP an unlikely target for demands of any sort.

Revealing too much about one's self in an American MJ forum is another matter entirely, particularly if posting pics of monster illegal grows.

That's not what I'm doing, anyway, but I've never even registered at any of them.

I've followed all of this NSA stuff rather loathsomely, particularly at Ars Technica, where they pointed out some interesting quirks in the system. It seems likely that using encryption or Tor may actually attract attention. The other thing abut Tor is that it doesn't mean your ISP doesn't have a record of your activities before you started using Tor. If you registered and contributed anywhere before that, then the cops can get that information with a warrant, but they still have to show the Judge probable cause. Obviously, that varies by the Judge.

At the local level, I'm confident that some cops just need a note with a name, address and the word "Doper" on it to get a warrant. It's sad, really.

I always figured that I was lucky to live in Colorado, and the passage of A64 has driven that home. I very much encourage everybody in the community to actively support such efforts in their own state, particularly as a constitutional amendment. It's impossible for it to be legislated away w/o a vote of the people. If you don't want to be high profile, then find out which organizations in your state are actively working in that direction. If they're a 501c(4) non profit, you can donate in complete anonymity. That's how I've done it for years, even before I personally came back to the scene.

This is America, right? That means you need to put your money where your mouth is if you want things to change.
 

dddaver

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No! Increase your online presence. This is ours, not theirs. As far as marijuana goes, we're making big strides all across the USA. Just this past sunday on July 1st former governor of Florida Charlie Christ said he was in favor of medical marijuana in Florida. In Florida! So keep up the chatter folks. Eventually we'll have nothing to be paranoid about. Cause right now, marijuana is the only thing I got to hide, and I could give a rats ass about the all the rest.

I mostly agree. What I don't agree with is, "NO!" But + karma anyway. Can't give half, all or nothing? You need more posts.
 

Easy7

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Tor can be interecepted same as any other comm. I don't think they used to use nsa gear to go after small people. The boston bombers used cannabis sales to fund their stupid adventure. So they could hype whatever they want in the media. I don't really know what tech the dea uses, but they can get intel from the cia or nsa, same as the fbi does. They usually keep national security stuff for their own private projects. They don't share that easily. I'd be more concerned about local police or sheriffs. Even sheriffs are considered national security. The whole idea of a super government is stupid and dangerous. i'm sure local cops would love signal intel as much as is possible. A lot is possible, they invented proxies and ways to break them. They invented enryption and all the methods to break those. They could go as far as they want. But you see in cases they go after google records, not nsa files on your activity. So it's pretty lame, but still bad for a case, wherever they go for info.

Locals just don't have anything to offer the signal intel guys. It's dangerous to give out information, so they don't like to do that. Loose lips sink ships!
 

Crusader Rabbit

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Encryption is a red flag. Anything that is encrypted is saved for analysis. Anything that is evidence of a crime, can be saved. I want to fill out my seed collection before they finish the Utah NSA facility.
 

Easy7

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I find it funny, that they try to say drug dealers are coming to your home through the computer. They try to make people feel afraid of the mirror image of what they are doing. We fear them coming to our home through the computer, over a seed. I hate them, they cause so many problems over natural life! The earth tries to teach us through plant medicine. If ya don't like the message, then find a new universe!!!

They should be so afraid of plant dealers, as plant dealers obviously undermine the artifical national security drones!
 

mojave green

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Encryption is a red flag. Anything that is encrypted is saved for analysis. Anything that is evidence of a crime, can be saved. I want to fill out my seed collection before they finish the Utah NSA facility.
not sure about encryption being a :red flag." if so, all online purchases, banking, bill paying activities, etc., are "red flags." and don't forget your comm with icmag; all encrypted.
if encryption is truly a "red flag," it is because not enough people use it.
 

Easy7

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I don't have a source since it was a long time. I read that any encryption used that the gov can't break, is a crime to use. There are a few levels of government, they protect themselves....thus weed is not high level, unless you raise funds for nasty projects.
 

Easy7

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I would think your covered by the 5th, yet with national security concerns, everything and anything is illegal. If they want to ram you in the ass, they are going to ram you in the ass.:moon:
 

DemonPigeon

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I would think your covered by the 5th, yet with national security concerns, everything and anything is illegal. If they want to ram you in the ass, they are going to ram you in the ass.:moon:

I think what bulldog was saying was that if you're not american you're probably not protected by their constitution.
 

Jhhnn

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Encryption is a red flag. Anything that is encrypted is saved for analysis. Anything that is evidence of a crime, can be saved. I want to fill out my seed collection before they finish the Utah NSA facility.

If you buy with cash or money order & a paper form, the NSA facility has nothing to do with it.

In terms of privacy, the USPS rules. US cops need to show some serious Ju-ju to open mail, other than when it comes in via Customs. European Customs doesn't care, because the trade in MJ seeds is legal there.
 

cannacoob

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If you buy with cash or money order & a paper form, the NSA facility has nothing to do with it.

In terms of privacy, the USPS rules. US cops need to show some serious Ju-ju to open mail, other than when it comes in via Customs. European Customs doesn't care, because the trade in MJ seeds is legal there.

i'm not so sure about that after reading this NYT article:

U.S. Postal Service Logging All Mail for Law Enforcement
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/us/monitoring-of-snail-mail.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0#commentsContainer

By RON NIXON
WASHINGTON — Leslie James Pickering noticed something odd in his mail last September: a handwritten card, apparently delivered by mistake, with instructions for postal workers to pay special attention to the letters and packages sent to his home.

“Show all mail to supv” — supervisor — “for copying prior to going out on the street,” read the card. It included Mr. Pickering’s name, address and the type of mail that needed to be monitored. The word “confidential” was highlighted in green.

“It was a bit of a shock to see it,” said Mr. Pickering, who with his wife owns a small bookstore in Buffalo. More than a decade ago, he was a spokesman for the Earth Liberation Front, a radical environmental group labeled eco-terrorists by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Postal officials subsequently confirmed they were indeed tracking Mr. Pickering’s mail but told him nothing else.

As the world focuses on the high-tech spying of the National Security Agency, the misplaced card offers a rare glimpse inside the seemingly low-tech but prevalent snooping of the United States Postal Service.

Mr. Pickering was targeted by a longtime surveillance system called mail covers, a forerunner of a vastly more expansive effort, the Mail Isolation Control and Tracking program, in which Postal Service computers photograph the exterior of every piece of paper mail that is processed in the United States — about 160 billion pieces last year. It is not known how long the government saves the images.

Together, the two programs show that postal mail is subject to the same kind of scrutiny that the National Security Agency has given to telephone calls and e-mail.

The mail covers program, used to monitor Mr. Pickering, is more than a century old but is still considered a powerful tool. At the request of law enforcement officials, postal workers record information from the outside of letters and parcels before they are delivered. (Opening the mail would require a warrant.) The information is sent to the law enforcement agency that asked for it. Tens of thousands of pieces of mail each year undergo this scrutiny.

The Mail Isolation Control and Tracking program was created after the anthrax attacks in late 2001 that killed five people, including two postal workers. Highly secret, it seeped into public view last month when the F.B.I. cited it in its investigation of ricin-laced letters sent to President Obama and Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg. It enables the Postal Service to retrace the path of mail at the request of law enforcement. No one disputes that it is sweeping.

“In the past, mail covers were used when you had a reason to suspect someone of a crime,” said Mark D. Rasch, who started a computer crimes unit in the fraud section of the criminal division of the Justice Department and worked on several fraud cases using mail covers. “Now it seems to be, ‘Let’s record everyone’s mail so in the future we might go back and see who you were communicating with.’ Essentially you’ve added mail covers on millions of Americans.”

Bruce Schneier, a computer security expert and an author, said whether it was a postal worker taking down information or a computer taking images, the program was still an invasion of privacy.

“Basically they are doing the same thing as the other programs, collecting the information on the outside of your mail, the metadata, if you will, of names, addresses, return addresses and postmark locations, which gives the government a pretty good map of your contacts, even if they aren’t reading the contents,” he said.

But law enforcement officials said mail covers and the automatic mail tracking program are invaluable, even in an era of smartphones and e-mail.

In a criminal complaint filed June 7 in Federal District Court for the Eastern District of Texas, the F.B.I. said a postal investigator tracing the ricin letters was able to narrow the search to Shannon Guess Richardson, an actress in New Boston, Tex., by examining information from the front and back images of 60 pieces of mail scanned immediately before and after the tainted letters sent to Mr. Obama and Mr. Bloomberg showing return addresses near her home. Ms. Richardson had originally accused her husband of mailing the letters, but investigators determined that he was at work during the time they were mailed.

In 2007, the F.B.I., the Internal Revenue Service and the local police in Charlotte, N.C., used information gleaned from the mail cover program to arrest Sallie Wamsley-Saxon and her husband, Donald, charging both with running a prostitution ring that took in $3 million over six years. Prosecutors said it was one of the largest and most successful such operations in the country. Investigators also used mail covers to help track banking activity and other businesses the couple operated under different names.

Other agencies, including the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Department of Health and Human Services, have used mail covers to track drug smugglers and Medicare fraud.

“It’s a treasure trove of information,” said James J. Wedick, a former F.B.I. agent who spent 34 years at the agency and who said he used mail covers in a number of investigations, including one that led to the prosecution of several elected officials in California on corruption charges. “Looking at just the outside of letters and other mail, I can see who you bank with, who you communicate with — all kinds of useful information that gives investigators leads that they can then follow up on with a subpoena.”

But, he said: “It can be easily abused because it’s so easy to use and you don’t have to go through a judge to get the information. You just fill out a form.”

For mail cover requests, law enforcement agencies submit a letter to the Postal Service, which can grant or deny a request without judicial review. Law enforcement officials say the Postal Service rarely denies a request. In other government surveillance programs, like wiretaps, a federal judge must sign off on the requests.

The mail cover surveillance requests are granted for about 30 days, and can be extended for up to 120 days. There are two kinds of mail covers: those related to criminal activity and those requested to protect national security. Criminal activity requests average 15,000 to 20,000 per year, said law enforcement officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are prohibited by law from discussing them. The number of requests for antiterrorism mail covers has not been made public.

Law enforcement officials need warrants to open the mail, although President George W. Bush asserted in a signing statement in 2007 that the federal government had the authority to open mail without warrants in emergencies or in foreign intelligence cases.

Court challenges to mail covers have generally failed because judges have ruled that there is no reasonable expectation of privacy for information contained on the outside of a letter. Officials in both the Bush and Obama administrations, in fact, have used the mail-cover court rulings to justify the N.S.A.’s surveillance programs, saying the electronic monitoring amounts to the same thing as a mail cover. Congress briefly conducted hearings on mail cover programs in 1976, but has not revisited the issue.

The program has led to sporadic reports of abuse. In May 2012, Mary Rose Wilcox, a Maricopa County supervisor in Arizona, was awarded nearly $1 million by a federal judge after winning a lawsuit against Sheriff Joe Arpaio. The sheriff, known for his immigration raids, had obtained mail covers from the Postal Service to track her mail. The judge called the investigation into Ms. Wilcox politically motivated because she had been a frequent critic of Mr. Arpaio’s, objecting to what she considered the targeting of Hispanics in his immigration sweeps. The case is being appealed.

In the mid-1970s the Church Committee, a Senate panel that documented C.I.A. abuses, faulted a program created in the 1950s in New York that used mail covers to trace and sometimes open mail going to the Soviet Union from the United States.

A suit brought in 1973 by a high school student in New Jersey, whose letter to the Socialist Workers Party was traced by the F.B.I. as part of an investigation into the group, led to a rebuke from a federal judge.

Postal officials refused to discuss either mail covers or the Mail Isolation Control and Tracking program.

Mr. Pickering says he suspects that the F.B.I. requested the mail cover to monitor his mail because a former associate said the bureau had called with questions about him. Last month, he filed a lawsuit against the Postal Service, the F.B.I. and other agencies, saying they were improperly withholding information.

A spokeswoman for the F.B.I. in Buffalo declined to comment.

Mr. Pickering said that although he was arrested two dozen times for acts of civil disobedience and convicted of a handful of misdemeanors, he was never involved in the arson attacks the Earth Liberation Front carried out. He said he became tired of focusing only on environmental activism and moved back to Buffalo to finish college, open his bookstore, Burning Books, and start a family.

“I’m no terrorist,” he said. “I’m an activist.”

Mr. Pickering has written books sympathetic to the liberation front, but he said his political views and past association should not make him the target of a federal investigation. “I’m just a guy who runs a bookstore and has a wife and a kid,” he said.​
 
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Space Toker

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yeah well right it in the record books, I am done worrying! After reading some threads like this, the postal thread, and all kinds of wild conspiracy threads, I feel either most have nothing to personally worry about (although one should be very concerned of the loss of freedom), OR all our thoughts and every action from our morning shit to the last fart before we go to bed is being monitored, our brainwaves recorded and cameras everywhere in public spaces where they shouldn't be... and if I hear another dumbaass on the news proclaiming how unjust security measures are totally justified to keep us safe, I will crack one of those numskulls across the head with a 2 by 4! :D On this day, to be celebrating the founding of freedom and be accepting a totalitarian state is beyond stupidity! But hey enough hiding under the bed, fuck them let them come for me already I will be ready! Fight for what is right or be an eternal pussy, I choose the former! I hear Tor is good, but I can't figure it out! I am not saying I am going out on mountaintops and saying " I grow weed, get used to it dammit!", I will not take unecessary risks but not cowering in a corner either. I hear all these precautions may have their own problems and create suspicion instead of deflecting it. So hell, I will do what I do and live my live and stop hiding from it!
 

FatherEarth

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ST, Spending too much time listening to all the what if's and could be's in this forum will sketch anyone out. I used to be into this sort of thing, then I realized I had become overtaken by it and still was virtually powerless against any of it. No sense in being worried about things you cant do anything about.
Be aware stay informed and dont be paranoid, be prepared.

Respectfully,

FE
 

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