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Round 1 in Vertville!! 2x600W Flipflop V-SCRoG
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Femora
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I dunno, Mr.CleanCut, if I would define this challange as "interesting".. 
Its a pain in the bum to have my conditions, and yet this incredible interest of growing the green...
I was messing around in the other room tonight, checkin all the plants bot to top and back down... and found mold in the thickest parts of one plant.. Like where branches make intersections, small leafs have unnaturally little space and so on. worst possible conditions in the whole room..
I cut up that part of the plant, and got rid off all infected parts. Well, as far as I can tell anyway.
I would be naive if I was thinking that it all is just gone, and it will leave me alone for the rest of the growth. lol
I re-arranged the dehumidifyer and drilled a evac into the container, added a hose and VOILA! I have a 80 liter container instead of a 2,5-3 liter... This gives me a continious dehumid around the clock.
The cap of the dehumidifyer should be <10l/24h... That should be enough, i hope. 5-6l is about the amount of nutes they drink atm so I have another extra 4-5l/day to suck up. This should force my rh down, eh..
Im down to 67%RH, and up to 98% during nighttime still.. I have to let this shit work for another day or 2 and see if it acctually will drop down to decent levels.
So.. Will the Botyritis spread to the rest of the plant(s). Do I have to slice them all down ASAP? Or will the infection stop if I get down the RH to.. say... 45-50%?
Like last round, they are now starting to fatten up...
This thin line between hope and despair is.. pheeew... I dunno how to put it´... :/
Fem~
Its a pain in the bum to have my conditions, and yet this incredible interest of growing the green...
I was messing around in the other room tonight, checkin all the plants bot to top and back down... and found mold in the thickest parts of one plant.. Like where branches make intersections, small leafs have unnaturally little space and so on. worst possible conditions in the whole room..
I cut up that part of the plant, and got rid off all infected parts. Well, as far as I can tell anyway.
I would be naive if I was thinking that it all is just gone, and it will leave me alone for the rest of the growth. lol
I re-arranged the dehumidifyer and drilled a evac into the container, added a hose and VOILA! I have a 80 liter container instead of a 2,5-3 liter... This gives me a continious dehumid around the clock.
The cap of the dehumidifyer should be <10l/24h... That should be enough, i hope. 5-6l is about the amount of nutes they drink atm so I have another extra 4-5l/day to suck up. This should force my rh down, eh..
Im down to 67%RH, and up to 98% during nighttime still.. I have to let this shit work for another day or 2 and see if it acctually will drop down to decent levels.
So.. Will the Botyritis spread to the rest of the plant(s). Do I have to slice them all down ASAP? Or will the infection stop if I get down the RH to.. say... 45-50%?
Like last round, they are now starting to fatten up...
This thin line between hope and despair is.. pheeew... I dunno how to put it´... :/
Fem~
whenever you touch the stuff with anything, sterilize it after one use... like pruning shears or scissors... i would spray the plants lightly with a H202 solution in water.... no residuals and it will kill the Bot. on contact before it makes any more damage..... focus on the leaves that get no light or are crowded together... it usually shows up in places that "hold" more humidity...
Femora
Member
"You gotta spread some rep before..."
Thanks!
That's really useful!Glad you like it! Hope I can pull it together and make a decent finish of this tale..!
I've tried to make is.. to... well.. as a informative thread about my situation to eventually lead some other beginner throu this growing-maze and hopefully they can dodge some problems I had to hit, or maybe copy some ideas to improve their grow..
And... lol! It will be SO much fun to look back at this thread in... say... 5 years! and see how I've developed as a grower and how much info Ive gathered then.
I can already see .. how much Ive improved in knowledge in just 3 grows. Its amazing to look back, eh...
I went to the grow, armed with H2O2 and gave them a round.. I hope it will execute my current issue, and let me continue undisturbed..
The dehumidifyer work like a mad one... It managed to pull about 10 liters of water into the 80l-jar.
btw, the dehumid-water is about 9-10 ppm.. It should be no problems to re-use it, eh?
And the RHs started dropping. 60-95 last 24 hours. Thats a lil better then yesterday and I figure the numbers will be better tomorrow when the walls/roof/floor are drying up.
I also added another extra fan in each room. I see that there is some condensed water on the panda-plastics... like on the lowest 30 cm, under the line of the board... That should be solved with this fans..
I feel great about this grow now.. Its faaa(aaaaaaaa)aaar from perfect, but it dosnt feel as hopeless as I felt a few days ago.
I acctually have a feeling I might pull it off and let them go for 2 more weeks to fatten up and get some weight out of em.
I WILL prevail my growroom! Its just a matter of time. That I promise!
So long!
(some pics will come... eeeh.. like... tomorrow..)
"You gotta spread some rep before..."
Thanks!
I went to the grow, armed with H2O2 and gave them a round.. I hope it will execute my current issue, and let me continue undisturbed..
The dehumidifyer work like a mad one... It managed to pull about 10 liters of water into the 80l-jar.
btw, the dehumid-water is about 9-10 ppm.. It should be no problems to re-use it, eh?
And the RHs started dropping. 60-95 last 24 hours. Thats a lil better then yesterday and I figure the numbers will be better tomorrow when the walls/roof/floor are drying up.
I also added another extra fan in each room. I see that there is some condensed water on the panda-plastics... like on the lowest 30 cm, under the line of the board... That should be solved with this fans..
hey no prob on the knowledge. i always got great advice when i started out and tried to learn from early forums so why not pass it back thru the interweb....
You should definitely use the dehumidifier water. Most growers do and it eliminates the need to filter water of even have plumbing in their grow room....
Femora
Member
So; Its 8 weeks.. Day 56.. I let that last scrog go another 3 weeks.. and they fatted up quite alot last weeks. I have to give these ladies a chance...
The N2O2 seems to keep the mold supressed. And the dehumidifyer manage to keep the RH at 60-88% now.. Still going lower...
Fans working in the rooms 24/7.
I cannot see any mold developing, so I keep going as long as I can.
I will have to keep a keen eye... any new signs of mold and I have to rethink my cut-descision.
I will not drop a crop to mold, even if its a shitty round...
Ill reuse the dehum-water... Easier then carry it there. hehe...
Its about 25 l in the bucket now.
I'll get some buds up here, even if its not much to show... Sorry for keepin' them for another post...
Stay safe!
Fem~
The N2O2 seems to keep the mold supressed. And the dehumidifyer manage to keep the RH at 60-88% now.. Still going lower...
Fans working in the rooms 24/7.
I cannot see any mold developing, so I keep going as long as I can.
I will have to keep a keen eye... any new signs of mold and I have to rethink my cut-descision.
I will not drop a crop to mold, even if its a shitty round...
Ill reuse the dehum-water... Easier then carry it there. hehe...
Its about 25 l in the bucket now.
I'll get some buds up here, even if its not much to show... Sorry for keepin' them for another post...
Stay safe!
Fem~
Femora
Member
3 down, 9 to go
3 down, 9 to go
Okay, Lets face it.. This sucks. I suck.. Pffff....
Why didnt I better understand what the elite ment when they said.. whatever they said? Why didnt I listen better? Was I just to ignorant/stupid!? I guess YES is the answer.
But I will perform better n better within time. Oh yes...
Lol!
Make this thread into a sticky and change the headline to "how to NOT handle a vert-scrog"...
well... yesterday..
I had to slay 3 WWxTU-plants cus mold would not give in. (Day 58-59~)
It wasnt THAT bad, I got more out of them then I thought.
Here is some pics;
First out is a Euforia... You can quite easy see how overvegged they are. Its just insane.. I should cut away about 200% more then I did, and still it would probably be a bit thick in there.
Here is a sidestem;
Here is what it looked like where I removed 2 plants, and re-arranged the leftover in the mid of the net.
Its pretty hard to see how big it is, but approx 100 cm high, 120 wide. (I can measure it if someone's interested..)
This is one of the infected spots;
Anyway; I got a few nugs that were OK
Soo... To sum it up;
#1 The size of those plants really de-railed in my calc. in stretch sideways.
#2 Revegged plants aren't really suitable for me, in my space. They outrun the space sideways...
#3 The containers were way to small for those plants! Its just like 7-8 liter coco/perlite in there (!!)
#4 Care for the RH. Im down to 65-85 last I visited. I will try to sort it out with adding daytime air from outdoor with low RH, to get it down in there... and still keep the dehumidifyer going 24/7.
#5 DIALAGE IS EVERYTHING! (bows down before DHF...)
#6 Cut down waaaay more then you think is okay to cut. I will never hesitate on cutting down side/bot/suckers.. EVER! If im 50/50 on cutting something, it WILL go down in the future.
#7 I believe my under-development is caused of low CO2, making the plants really slow, in combination with a lil to low temps..
So; Whats up?
Ill try to dial the room with the outdoor-fans blowing 20C daytime-air in. When in contact with the 26-27C 70%RH air in and forcing it out, I should be getting my RHs down.
I havnt really done my homework on the subject... But I guess adding 10C air during nighttime isnt a really good idea. It should be about 80-90%RH, and when heating up... well.. I belive the amount of H2O addded in to the growspace is more then I force out when heating it up..
Ill be shopping a Co2-controller and add a tank in there to sort out that trouble.
IF I can get the speed up on the ladies, and RH down to 50-60 it should be enough to keep some fastflowering strains from mold. (I hope)
Right now I could use some constructive criticism and a hug.. Bring it on grow'sis and bro's!
Best regards!
Stay safe!
Fem~
3 down, 9 to go
Okay, Lets face it.. This sucks. I suck.. Pffff....
Why didnt I better understand what the elite ment when they said.. whatever they said? Why didnt I listen better? Was I just to ignorant/stupid!? I guess YES is the answer.
But I will perform better n better within time. Oh yes...
Lol!
Make this thread into a sticky and change the headline to "how to NOT handle a vert-scrog"...
well... yesterday..
I had to slay 3 WWxTU-plants cus mold would not give in. (Day 58-59~)
It wasnt THAT bad, I got more out of them then I thought.
Here is some pics;
First out is a Euforia... You can quite easy see how overvegged they are. Its just insane.. I should cut away about 200% more then I did, and still it would probably be a bit thick in there.
Here is a sidestem;
Here is what it looked like where I removed 2 plants, and re-arranged the leftover in the mid of the net.
Its pretty hard to see how big it is, but approx 100 cm high, 120 wide. (I can measure it if someone's interested..)
This is one of the infected spots;
Anyway; I got a few nugs that were OK
Soo... To sum it up;
#1 The size of those plants really de-railed in my calc. in stretch sideways.
#2 Revegged plants aren't really suitable for me, in my space. They outrun the space sideways...
#3 The containers were way to small for those plants! Its just like 7-8 liter coco/perlite in there (!!)
#4 Care for the RH. Im down to 65-85 last I visited. I will try to sort it out with adding daytime air from outdoor with low RH, to get it down in there... and still keep the dehumidifyer going 24/7.
#5 DIALAGE IS EVERYTHING! (bows down before DHF...)
#6 Cut down waaaay more then you think is okay to cut. I will never hesitate on cutting down side/bot/suckers.. EVER! If im 50/50 on cutting something, it WILL go down in the future.
#7 I believe my under-development is caused of low CO2, making the plants really slow, in combination with a lil to low temps..
So; Whats up?
Ill try to dial the room with the outdoor-fans blowing 20C daytime-air in. When in contact with the 26-27C 70%RH air in and forcing it out, I should be getting my RHs down.
I havnt really done my homework on the subject... But I guess adding 10C air during nighttime isnt a really good idea. It should be about 80-90%RH, and when heating up... well.. I belive the amount of H2O addded in to the growspace is more then I force out when heating it up..
Ill be shopping a Co2-controller and add a tank in there to sort out that trouble.
IF I can get the speed up on the ladies, and RH down to 50-60 it should be enough to keep some fastflowering strains from mold. (I hope)
Right now I could use some constructive criticism and a hug.. Bring it on grow'sis and bro's!
Best regards!
Stay safe!
Fem~
D
DHF
It`s ok doll....ANY harvey`s a good 1 , and the road to Nirvana`s a long and winding path with many runs under yer belt in the search for total dialage....believe that......
Quit beatin yourself up Fem.....small area setups are HELL to dial without bein able to control environment with the proper equipment to do so , and for the record....
CO2 supplements are the LEAST determining factor when dialing ANY setup.....guaranteed....Dial EVERYTHING else with air exchange twice per minute , proper watts per sq ft , and humidity control of 70% till end of stretch , and as close to 50% and lower till end of cycle with humidifiers AND dehumidifiers as needed....
If yas can get your air exchange up to twice per minute , it`ll help cool your room as well as giving the plants "atmospheric" CO2 inherent in the air we breathe ftw ....bet on it.....
Never ran a tank/controller or burner /generator in my life with dialed results.......IF yas got everything else dialed where yas can`t squeeze another gram outta yer room , THEN and only then ......
Consider sealin it up , raising lights on temps to upper 80`s at LEAST to increase the plants metabolism/transpiration rates for CO2 supplements to be utilized and cost effective......and lights on/off temps never more than 10 degree variable ftw.....
Onward and upward , so good luck and keep dialin girlfriend....I`ll be over here on my bucket to TRY and keep yas from fuckin up on a regular basis.....lol.....
.....
Peace....DHF.....
.....
Quit beatin yourself up Fem.....small area setups are HELL to dial without bein able to control environment with the proper equipment to do so , and for the record....
CO2 supplements are the LEAST determining factor when dialing ANY setup.....guaranteed....Dial EVERYTHING else with air exchange twice per minute , proper watts per sq ft , and humidity control of 70% till end of stretch , and as close to 50% and lower till end of cycle with humidifiers AND dehumidifiers as needed....
If yas can get your air exchange up to twice per minute , it`ll help cool your room as well as giving the plants "atmospheric" CO2 inherent in the air we breathe ftw ....bet on it.....
Never ran a tank/controller or burner /generator in my life with dialed results.......IF yas got everything else dialed where yas can`t squeeze another gram outta yer room , THEN and only then ......
Consider sealin it up , raising lights on temps to upper 80`s at LEAST to increase the plants metabolism/transpiration rates for CO2 supplements to be utilized and cost effective......and lights on/off temps never more than 10 degree variable ftw.....
Onward and upward , so good luck and keep dialin girlfriend....I`ll be over here on my bucket to TRY and keep yas from fuckin up on a regular basis.....lol.....
.....Peace....DHF.....
.....
Femora
Member
It`s ok doll....ANY harvey`s a good 1 , and the road to Nirvana`s a long and winding path with many runs under yer belt in the search for total dialage....believe that......
Quit beatin yourself up Fem.....small area setups are HELL to dial without bein able to control environment with the proper equipment to do so , and for the record....
CO2 supplements are the LEAST determining factor when dialing ANY setup.....guaranteed....Dial EVERYTHING else with air exchange twice per minute , proper watts per sq ft , and humidity control of 70% till end of stretch , and as close to 50% and lower till end of cycle with humidifiers AND dehumidifiers as needed....
If yas can get your air exchange up to twice per minute , it`ll help cool your room as well as giving the plants "atmospheric" CO2 inherent in the air we breathe ftw ....bet on it.....
Never ran a tank/controller or burner /generator in my life with dialed results.......IF yas got everything else dialed where yas can`t squeeze another gram outta yer room , THEN and only then ......
Consider sealin it up , raising lights on temps to upper 80`s at LEAST to increase the plants metabolism/transpiration rates for CO2 supplements to be utilized and cost effective......and lights on/off temps never more than 10 degree variable ftw.....
Onward and upward , so good luck and keep dialin girlfriend....I`ll be over here on my bucket to TRY and keep yas from fuckin up on a regular basis.....lol.....
Peace....DHF.....
I know you are spot on in every word thats stated in the post above.
But I really just can't keep up to that in my space....
....and it kinda feels dissapointing to me, and to the people that follow this grow.. Somwhat like a fail I cant correct right now, and it disturbs be quite alot... In 6 months maybe.. in a year.. in 3 maybe..
But not right now, not now... and that sux!
I cant get a twice per min airchange and still keep the temps up. There is nowhere I can pick up air thats not 100% decided by the weather outside. When its -30 in the winter I will have some issues to be extreme.
But already in the summer it can be down to 4-5-6 degrees nighttime.., and 35 daytime 12 hours later.. So its really not an option if I want to keep close to that +-10 degrees on-off temps.Would you mind to tell me why just 2x airchange/min is the numbers to chase?
I guess you could define my space as a closed one.. The airchange is like.. lol... once per hour, and thats to a similar space and from there its a shitty door to the outside that should have thesame kind of broken door..
There is no real air-intake since I re-adjusted the vent-construction cus of all the low heat problems.
There is no air streaming throu the room..
Lol, when I read it like this.. I feel... blind...
Ive never thought about the space a "closed".. bah, great. Now I feel not just blind, but retarded too.
Whats good, on the other hand is: that im getting the RH in the ranges I wanna have em. Low 54, high 81. Im getting there!
And im constructing a fresh-air-intake that I hope will get those RH under controll to a 100%, then I think the dehumidfyer will be the humid-reglator...
Anyway, I hadnt time to more then just hold the pieces in place and test it this evening. It will pull daytime air at 110m3/h to the room.. Though; I cant add it straight into the flowerrooms (inside the room, in the room) cus I cant control the airflow, temps, and such... 10C air into a 27C room.. What would the temps do to the ladies... brrrrr....r....r..r.r..rrr
The three slain ladies has all been cut down and are drying. drying a bit to fast for my liking, so they are already stored in their chambers and carefully let out in the open in short intervalls to ensure the drying will take some time..
Well... Oh well.. Its time for bed. Take care! All of you!
Stay safe.
Keep at it, do the best you can with you've got, upgrade as it's possible, and always remember any harvest is a good harvest 
I'm damn impressed you're able to pull what you have considering what you're working with. Dialed grow logs are fun to look at, but the best information is found when people are still sorting their issues.
I'm damn impressed you're able to pull what you have considering what you're working with. Dialed grow logs are fun to look at, but the best information is found when people are still sorting their issues.
Femora
Member
Final stage, Cutdown!
Final stage, Cutdown!
Hey folks!
To start with; Im really really greatful for all cheering posts, hints, tips etc I get from you all!
I probably wouldn´t share my growing with you if it wasn't for this.
So; My hat off to all of you!!
Ive cut down the ladies in 3 rounds. 2 WWxTU had to be slaughtered way before time cus of mold.
The Euforia did it better. Way better. When I managed to get the RH down to 57-82 or something I didnt experience any new moldsited.
And as I thought; The Euforia did thicken up! So did the WWxTU, but not as much.
There was still alot of larf. And I got trim to make butter for a cookie for like 150 person, lol!
Ive learned ALOT, and I will sure as hell continue growing.
Right now I have a problem with HEAT, aye, you heard me.. Even with ventilation at max its up to 33C 91F in one box, and the other has been up to 37C 98F(!!!)
So; I cut everything down, and once again Im rebuilding.. Now to make a automatic dripfeed working, and increasing vent plus adding fresh air 24/7. There is now way I will keep at that twice per minute airchange, but its way better then before... Eeeh.. Should be about once every 3 minutes.
If I can keep the temps at decent levels ill be okay, I hope.
Still... this temp... is a hell to adjust without equipment for it.
I wish I had a factorybuilding, 100,000 usd, an electrican, a programmer and a plumber and voilá.. I would make insane amounts of weed..
Here is some pics from the last ladies I slayed!
Just look at how tight them branches are.. Monstercropping in vertscrog....PFFFfffffff..... : 7
To much heat, and forgot to water her last...
Thats why she is sagging..
And note that she lacks a decent top-cola.. Noone has a sexy top in there.. biggest one was posted previosly I think, and thats not much...
Ill return with final weights when they are done drying.
Ah... and... drying them only with buds, no stems.. Am I shooting myself in the foot?
"When buds are rapidly dried, the plant tissue can trap in unwanted starches and nitrates which cause buds to burn unevenly and with an awful taste."
Still a process going on about 5days -> a week~... and then another few days depending on when curing start and drying stop when I air the buckets Ive put them in.. well.. you get what I mean..
AND.. Whats really interesting.. hehehe... That will happen next!
Is that I got a whorled phyllotaxy Braistorm for the next round!
Here is a pic of her;
The bottom first node is normal with 2 leafs, the rest is 3 leaf/stems per node.
She will be really interesting to grow!
Stay safe!
So long!
Final stage, Cutdown!
Hey folks!
To start with; Im really really greatful for all cheering posts, hints, tips etc I get from you all!
I probably wouldn´t share my growing with you if it wasn't for this.
So; My hat off to all of you!!
Ive cut down the ladies in 3 rounds. 2 WWxTU had to be slaughtered way before time cus of mold.
The Euforia did it better. Way better. When I managed to get the RH down to 57-82 or something I didnt experience any new moldsited.
And as I thought; The Euforia did thicken up! So did the WWxTU, but not as much.
There was still alot of larf. And I got trim to make butter for a cookie for like 150 person, lol!
Ive learned ALOT, and I will sure as hell continue growing.
Right now I have a problem with HEAT, aye, you heard me.. Even with ventilation at max its up to 33C 91F in one box, and the other has been up to 37C 98F(!!!)
So; I cut everything down, and once again Im rebuilding.. Now to make a automatic dripfeed working, and increasing vent plus adding fresh air 24/7. There is now way I will keep at that twice per minute airchange, but its way better then before... Eeeh.. Should be about once every 3 minutes.
If I can keep the temps at decent levels ill be okay, I hope.
Still... this temp... is a hell to adjust without equipment for it.
I wish I had a factorybuilding, 100,000 usd, an electrican, a programmer and a plumber and voilá.. I would make insane amounts of weed..
Here is some pics from the last ladies I slayed!
Just look at how tight them branches are.. Monstercropping in vertscrog....PFFFfffffff..... : 7
To much heat, and forgot to water her last...
Thats why she is sagging..
And note that she lacks a decent top-cola.. Noone has a sexy top in there.. biggest one was posted previosly I think, and thats not much...
Ill return with final weights when they are done drying.
Ah... and... drying them only with buds, no stems.. Am I shooting myself in the foot?
"When buds are rapidly dried, the plant tissue can trap in unwanted starches and nitrates which cause buds to burn unevenly and with an awful taste."
Still a process going on about 5days -> a week~... and then another few days depending on when curing start and drying stop when I air the buckets Ive put them in.. well.. you get what I mean..
AND.. Whats really interesting.. hehehe... That will happen next!
Is that I got a whorled phyllotaxy Braistorm for the next round!
Here is a pic of her;
The bottom first node is normal with 2 leafs, the rest is 3 leaf/stems per node.
She will be really interesting to grow!
Stay safe!
So long!
Femora
Member
Nice man, you've gotta love harvest time. Looking forward to the final weigh-in, and your next, more dialed run.
What's special about that last plant, btw? Whorled phyllotaxy is something I've never heard of.
I hadn´t either, until I was looking closer at the veg-cabin and found that one of the smaller plants was branching shitloads..
At a closer look I noticed that there is 3 leafs and branches per node, instead of the normal two per node.
So, look again at the pic and be thrilled! Hehehe...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllotaxis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whorl_(botany)
Some googleing later I read some about it.. But I really haven´t had time to read myself into it on the depth.. Its so much bio/physical-terms when reading about why its happening so I get lost quite fast. and the CB-forums seems to be to shallow on the subject. It happens from time to time, I found another guy that had thesame thing with a brainstorm...
Whats interesting for me is how the yield will come out, and if the treat will stay in clones. And if it affect the flowertime.
(I've taken clones from both JD and BS, so within time ill get the answer anyway..)
About the yield; I expect 500gr/ 1 lb.
Worst # so far if thats the case, but what to do... what to do.. :/
EXCEPT DIAL N' KEEP TRYING!
I guess It's time to reveal what up in the next round.. Critical +, yea!
Alone stated that they only have a 30% stretch, so I think Ill give them a 6 week veg under my shitty LE..
The outlaw will be a little slower.. And I think Ill toss in some diesels in there.. I havent really made up my mind yet. I have another 3-4 weeks to decide.
I have some diesels laying around, and a 20p freebie-mix from RCMC with some really interesting highrise strains.. but its a gamble to pop those..
Well.. Time will tell!
Puff, puff... Great show, bro. . Cough. ...Great looking nuts a decent amount with more lessons learned.
Nice...
Be nice to see the curried, trimmed nugs. . They look to be way dank...
Congratulations on another pull and be waiting on the next show...
Enjoy the fruits of labor, bro. .
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Femora
Member
Some nugs...
Some nugs...
Puff, Puff, *cough*, puff...
I still havn't got a final weight. I guess just under, or barely touching 0,5gpw...
Anyways; Whats interesting... is to look at these Euforia shots!
...pass *cough*
No worries, Ill be back once more and BUMP this thread with the finals some day..
Fem~
Some nugs...
Puff, Puff, *cough*, puff...
I still havn't got a final weight. I guess just under, or barely touching 0,5gpw...
Anyways; Whats interesting... is to look at these Euforia shots!
...pass *cough*
No worries, Ill be back once more and BUMP this thread with the finals some day..
Fem~
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