Illinois Legislature Passes Medical Marijuana Bill

[B.E.D]

Ups and downs of the medical marijuana industry.

Ups and downs of the medical marijuana industry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUEtJkvHTSs[YOUTUBEIF][/YOUTUBEIF]

 

[ILL-IN-GROWER]

Yes while the old bills had flaws as well, they at least allowed some home production.

hamstring, certainly hope your wife can find some legal relief if the governor decides to sign. If that's the route you choose to go. They need the 22 instate growers to avoid shipping across state lines and inviting the feds into the equation. By only having a few, it will make it a high cost of entry, and help funnel the profits. Along with that comes limited supply, decreased variety, however it will hopefully allow for better testing and quality control regarding what gets sold as medicine.

I can only imagine the high grade black market herb will blow away anything in a state sanctioned dispensary though... But just a guess

 

[ILL-IN-GROWER]

BED, the short list of ailments was interesting. It included no psychological ailments like PTSD, addiction, anxiety, etc... Likewise there are many physical ailments that aren't covered. I'd like to see it challenged in court if the bill is signed, however I'm not sure how one would go about that.

Genetics is a very interesting question... Never even crossed my mind, but I'd love to find out what they end up producing and how it got there

 

[hamstring]

Yes while the old bills had flaws as well, they at least allowed some home production.

hamstring, certainly hope your wife can find some legal relief if the governor decides to sign. If that's the route you choose to go. T

hey need the 22 instate growers to avoid shipping across state lines and inviting the feds into the equation.

By only having a few, it will make it a high cost of entry, and help funnel the profits. Along with that comes limited supply, decreased variety, however it will hopefully allow for better testing and quality control regarding what gets sold as medicine.

I can only imagine the high grade black market herb will blow away anything in a state sanctioned dispensary though... But just a guess

Good point I feel a little ignorant for missing that.

22 instate growers. Can you imagine how much each grower will have to produce to keep up with demand. Like you said that ups the entry fee like crazy. It will have to be large greenhouse/warehouse type production. The start-up money involved would be huge.

We also have the concealed carry law also about to pop. Many welcomed changes in the Land of Lincoln. I wish we could cut Chicago off and push it out in the lake. We can call it the District of Chicago and let them find their own tax revenue. I get a little tired of paying for everyone's retirement. Just a little IL rant.

 

[amannamedtruth]

Good point I feel a little ignorant for missing that.

22 instate growers. Can you imagine how much each grower will have to produce to keep up with demand. Like you said that ups the entry fee like crazy. It will have to be large greenhouse/warehouse type production. The start-up money involved would be huge.

We also have the concealed carry law also about to pop. Many welcomed changes in the Land of Lincoln. I wish we could cut Chicago off and push it out in the lake. We can call it the District of Chicago and let them find their own tax revenue. I get a little tired of paying for everyone's retirement. Just a little IL rant.

just a bit of info, Chicago estimated 2008 GDP: $ 574 Billion, Total Illinois GDP in 2008, estimated:$637 billion.

You're welcome, for keeping Illinois from being completely ho-dunk.

 

[farmdalefurr]

heard through the grapevine that they are charging $20,000 for a growers license and $30,000 to start a dispensary

 

[Lammy]

do you think the 22 growing locations are going to stay under the 99 limit?

seems like production is going to be pretty limited.

 

[ILL-IN-GROWER]

LMAO at aman... Some of them ho-dunk ladies can work it though, freaky!!

farmdale... Those numbers aren't too far off what I was thinking. Honestly I thought the grower license would be more, and the dispensary, a bit less, considering the numbers allowed. Hopefully that 20 and 30k is only after being selected. Probably on top of an application fee that everyone has to pay I'd imagine to even be considered... Good info, I'm watching with interest

lammy... Not sure, but I wouldn't think so. Do the large CO grows that aren't being messed with stay under 99?? Couldn't tell ya personally. I have a feeling they are easily in triple digits, but due to all the monitoring and state supervision they are left alone I guess... I think this is where IL is going, while completely outlawing personal production for maximum 'control' aka profits.

 

[Julian]

heard through the grapevine that they are charging $20,000 for a growers license and $30,000 to start a dispensary

There are no current fees for either, nor are there, at this point in time, applications for either available.

Cultivation center license to fall under the Illinois Department of Agriculture and dispensary licensure to fall under the IDFPR (Illinois Department of Professional Regulation)

To meet the requirements set forth (proposed), those may be quite possibly accurate quotes depending on ones resources and counsel. (All inclusive, compilation of all required documentation for licensure)

There are currently no set/specified plant counts within the current draft of HB 01, but that may very well be (or not) set by the Dept. of Agriculture at some point. I do not believe they will, and that will allow for quite a bit of creativity regarding operations/operators



The manner in which the 22 locations are assigned (geographically) goes present many challenges, but also options. (Both favorable and otherwise).

 

[Tonygreen]

This article says its 99 over a year period accumulatively? I cant find the actual federal law... lol

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2011/mar/23/medical_marijuana_providers_dr_m

 

[blinky34]

Thank you, thank you, thank you Julian!!! I was so worried this couple of months (year?)... Thank you, for your post, so we know everything is OK! Listen ladies and gentleman, for all who know and for those who don't know, THE MASTER IS BACK AND IS OK! Thanks to the mighty God! Fuck LEO, Julian, fuck, like you always do! Sorry for offtopic, but i looking long time to see this! How is in your world master? You are back on track with stock and market? Greetings from europian ICMAG friend!

 

[Lammy]

lammy... Not sure, but I wouldn't think so. Do the large CO grows that aren't being messed with stay under 99?? Couldn't tell ya personally. I have a feeling they are easily in triple digits, but due to all the monitoring and state supervision they are left alone I guess... I think this is where IL is going, while completely outlawing personal production for maximum 'control' aka profits.

have the feds agreed to not go after somebody growing more than 99 plants? let alone a thousands because if they are only allowed 22 grow operations that's what I predict they'll have: either 1000's or ZERO per location.

I know I'm in a medical state and half the government tells the cops to bust you for things that aren't illegal when you are a patient.

there is no way any of those 22 people are going to be able to grow anything unless they're connected to politicians. which admittedly is probably the case but I bet they'll get letters and threats to shut down almost immediately were talking about 22 well known locations. if we were talking 1000's of locations that would be a lot of work for the feds but with just 22 locations they could raid them every week. with minimal manpower and risk since nobody's going to be shooting back at them.

they probably won't approve very many patients so supply won't be an issue. but even if each location grew a thousand plants. each location would be approximately equal to 10 Cali growers. but without the climate. I've never even been to California but perhaps that whole state stays medicated with only 220 growers. but I would suspect that it takes tens of thousands of growers to supply California.

well someone said it early on but that's the biggest trap ever. when the four-year experiment is up, so is your time. I bet they kick in everybody's door the next day. but in the meantime you're totally screwed you got a weed marker on your driver's license. you think you're getting pulled over without getting searched? you think you're going to a job interview and showing ID and getting that job still? how about insurance do you like purchasing insurance?

I don't think you can really consider this legalizing medical marijuana. but I think it'll be good for the underground market.

 

[ILL-IN-GROWER]

Yes, I'm sure we've all learned a thing or two from Julian. And if ya haven't, you're missing out on an amazing thread.

Lemmy, once again, I didn't think about the limited numbers (aka 22 total CCs) compared to CO's many warehouses and how that might tie into the feds and enforcement... You bring up a lot of good points. No doubt in my mind they are list making and will pop on patients and growers if the program is allowed to expire.

As far as the marker on your license, I don't think that is the case. I believe they put the marker on your driving record that pops up with LEO as they pull you over and throw your name and license into their little computers... Whether or not they share that with insurance companies, well it is IL

Just one of the many holes in the bill

Likewise if you refuse any roadside tests that an officer chooses to administer because you have that mark on your driving record, you automatically lose your patient status.


Catch ya at the blues fest!!

 

[berbes]

at the current rates, not only do i not need 5 oz/month, but i don't have the money needed to 'score' that much. i mean $65 per 1/8 x 5 oz? unless you get a senior discount, that's $2,600 a month.

let me grow my 7 plants myself and leave me the fuck alone.

i hate fucking illinois nazis*





*joliet jake, blues brothers 1979

 

[Lammy]

okay you're right it did say a mark on the driving record

 

[hamstring]

just a bit of info, Chicago estimated 2008 GDP: $ 574 Billion, Total Illinois GDP in 2008, estimated:$637 billion.

You're welcome, for keeping Illinois from being completely ho-dunk.

Can you name the 3 largest employers in Chicago

1. The State Gov.
2. The State Gov.
3. The State Gov.

Il is only second in budget deficit to the most liberal state in the US, with none of the benefits of weather or nature or MJ laws.

Now whats the single largest thing causing the Ill to be broke =100 billion pension problem

GDP means nothing if its a negative cash flow.

Oh and if your going to use hillbilly vernacular its podunk. I know I am a IL hillbilly from a town of under a 1000. Can you say "Tractor Day" as a special event at my high school

PEACE to all in the windy city.

 

[hamstring]

There are no current fees for either, nor are there, at this point in time, applications for either available.

Cultivation center license to fall under the Illinois Department of Agriculture and dispensary licensure to fall under the IDFPR (Illinois Department of Professional Regulation)

To meet the requirements set forth (proposed), those may be quite possibly accurate quotes depending on ones resources and counsel. (All inclusive, compilation of all required documentation for licensure)

There are currently no set/specified plant counts within the current draft of HB 01, but that may very well be (or not) set by the Dept. of Agriculture at some point. I do not believe they will, and that will allow for quite a bit of creativity regarding operations/operators



The manner in which the 22 locations are assigned (geographically) goes present many challenges, but also options. (Both favorable and otherwise).

Julian
Hey brother nice to hear from you. Hope you hang around this thread would love to hear more.

 

[hamstring]

have the feds agreed to not go after somebody growing more than 99 plants? let alone a thousands because if they are only allowed 22 grow operations that's what I predict they'll have: either 1000's or ZERO per location.

I know I'm in a medical state and half the government tells the cops to bust you for things that aren't illegal when you are a patient.

there is no way any of those 22 people are going to be able to grow anything unless they're connected to politicians. which admittedly is probably the case but I bet they'll get letters and threats to shut down almost immediately were talking about 22 well known locations. if we were talking 1000's of locations that would be a lot of work for the feds but with just 22 locations they could raid them every week. with minimal manpower and risk since nobody's going to be shooting back at them.

they probably won't approve very many patients so supply won't be an issue. but even if each location grew a thousand plants. each location would be approximately equal to 10 Cali growers. but without the climate. I've never even been to California but perhaps that whole state stays medicated with only 220 growers. but I would suspect that it takes tens of thousands of growers to supply California.

well someone said it early on but that's the biggest trap ever. when the four-year experiment is up, so is your time. I bet they kick in everybody's door the next day. but in the meantime you're totally screwed you got a weed marker on your driver's license. you think you're getting pulled over without getting searched? you think you're going to a job interview and showing ID and getting that job still? how about insurance do you like purchasing insurance?

I don't think you can really consider this legalizing medical marijuana. but I think it'll be good for the underground market.

Some very good points thanks for the info.

I wonder how they will police the various conditions that qualify for med MJ.

What makes it any different than Cali where a Dr can produce a script to make you qualify. Are they going to chase down everyones Med record to ensure you are on the up and up. It seem impossible to ensure that a Dr's script is correct for the whole population of IL. It makes me wonder just how big the market could be??

 

[B.E.D]

Crime Commission Asks Governor To Veto Medical Marijuana Bill.

The Chicago Crime Commission has urged Gov. Pat Quinn to veto medical marijuana legislation approved by state lawmakers earlier this year.

The commission said legalizing medical marijuana would “present serious public safety risks to the citizens of the state.”

The governor has said he is “open-minded” on medical marijuana, but has not said if he would sign the legislation approved by the Illinois General Assembly.

Crime Commission executive director Joe Ways said the amount of marijuana patients would be allowed to have is too high.

“Allowing each card holder 2.5 ounces of marijuana every two weeks will provide a surplus of marijuana that will undoubtedly find its way into the wrong hands and have significant law enforcement implications,” Ways said in a written statement.

The commission also said the legislation does not provide for sufficient testing to determine if motorists have been impaired by marijuana use. The bill would require anyone with a medical marijuana permit to submit to a field sobriety test during a police traffic stop.

The legislation states that federally approved field-sobriety tests are adequate to determine impairment.

Supporters have said standard field sobriety tests are admissible in court, and the “divided attention” tests would sufficiently evaluate a driver’s hand-eye coordination, and his or her ability to maintain balance and listen to instructions.

However, opponents have said such tests have not been shown conclusively to be effective in determining impairment by marijuana.

“It is critical that Illinois avoids the mistakes of states like Colorado, where passage of medical marijuana legislation resulted in a dramatic jump in crashes where the driver tested positive for THC, the active ingredient in marijuana,” Ways said.

Opponents also have said blood and urine tests would not be effective in testing for marijuana, because THC – the mind-altering chemical in marijuana – stays in a person’s system for weeks, long after any impairment has worn off.

Supporters of the legislation have touted it as having the strictest limits on marijuana among states that authorize the drug for medical use. The measure would authorize physicians to prescribe marijuana to patients with whom they have an existing relationship, and who have at least one of more than 30 medical conditions listed in the legislation.

The proposed legislation creates a framework for a four-year pilot program that includes requiring patients and caregivers to undergo background checks. It sets a 2.5 ounce limit per patient per purchase and calls for 60 dispensaries regulated by the state where patients could buy the drug.

Eighteen states and the District of Columbia allow the use of marijuana for medical purposes.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/06...asks-governor-to-veto-medical-marijuana-bill/

what a bunch of a-holes..lol.

 

[Lammy]

in my state you're not required to do a field sobriety test. I found that out the hard way.

those tests are designed by the police force so that they can use it to bust anybody they want to.

I was completely sober when I did my field sobriety test. there were three different parts to the test and the officer told me I passed two of the three. but I failed on my ABC's because I stopped part of the way through and started over.

at the time the officer told me I passed the other two tests. however in court documents he had me down for failing all three tests. in the documents the officer claimed that I failed the 2 tests by not following specific things he told me to do.
it was so long ago the only thing I remember is in the 1st test. I was supposed to raise one foot and touch my nose with both index fingers the officer told me I did a good job. in the court documents the officer said that I failed that test by not pointing my foot as he instructed me to. which was not part of the instructions. and this works great because the police officer told me that all their body mic's in the entire department were broken and they didn't have the money to replace them. so that limited his recording of the incident to the dash cam.

you know how when cops pull people over the usually angle their car? I'm sure there are multiple reasons for it but I know one of them. that points the dash cam over to the curb and not at my truck so the officer was not on camera when he illegally searched my truck. but I was on camera for a field sobriety test with my own special set of instructions that nobody else would ever get to hear.

I wonder how many senior citizens could pass a field sobriety test.